accepting the obvious.

C'mon, surely you can see how your own agenda is shading your opinion here.

Honestly now, if the same thing were done with a closing line like, 'GO HILLARY', are you really going to tell me you wouldn't question the honesty of the letter writer...?

The sender could absolutely be a rabid, asshole Sanders supporter. But it could also be someone else entirely. We just don't know.

I feel the letter was sent by a Bernie supporter like the letter said. I've seen virtually the same posted here from Bernie supporters. Like bravenak was race baiting, that she was faking to be a Bernie supporter, the alert stalking that got her 4 hides in one thread in less than a day, etc.

Face it some kook who posted here and was a Bernie supporter sent the letter. What is the big deal with acknowledging that?

And if I saw similarities from some Hillary supporters and the same was done to a Bernie supporter, yes I do believe I would believe it originated from someone here/ a Hillary poster.

My personal opinion is that 'rabid Sanders supporter' is probably the most likely category-- but it's just so unknowable given what we have that I hesitate to even say that much. I certainly don't think we can flatly state that it is so, or that people who express doubts are engaging in 'conspiracy theory'.

remember the lllloooonnnnggg history of certain sites doing horrific things to people here. So discounting that history and taking this at truly face value is actually politically motivated, or naive or both. YMWV

For God sakes, one if them hastened the death of a popular member here...I mean that and I am not being overtly dramatic. That war, and it was a war, led to the first great exodus...and with that and the passage of years, only a few of us are left, relatively speaking. This too shall pass. But am afraid it will lead to another exodus...poof institutional memory...and next time, and there will be a next time,...somebody gets mucked up with...relatively newbies will refuse to listen to the old timers and guaranteed will call it a CT as well.

At this point I don't know whether to laugh or cry...but to whoever did it, congrats Sir/ma'am, you got the desired results.

And it will happen again. Partly because people make it way too easy... And I do not mean the primary victims here, I mean the site members that immediately break into finger pointing camps.

But, once again I do.

Certain folks on DU have decided who they want to blame, and by extension blame the "other candidate" lol.

I'm still undecided on my vote for the Dem candidate. No bad behavior by either side will sway me once I make up my mind, nor will it influence what I decide.

Awful behavior on both sides, and it just makes DU suck.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the admins discuss the latest thing on DU. I can only imagine.

that is why we are going to require a pretty high level of proof that it was a DU'er.

That said, it could have been...we get people joining here all the time from those lovely sites. Another piece of huge red data they are dismissing. Some even have high post counts..a few served as mods, now likely as hosts.

My own useless opinion is that it is not our job to figure this out (we can't) but to support bravenak the best we can while people who CAN solve this take care of that. It is insane the finger pointing and divisive language that goes on over this. I guess people just feel the need to use every single thing to get themselves on top. Successful, in more ways than the creep intended. Perhaps not, we always act the same way every time.

Are you really going to tell me you believe that?

Geez.

for a heinous crime. I've seen over 100 such supporters insist as much today.



Those crazy Muslims and Sanders supporters! How dare they suggest that this might have been a setup!

Heinous vulgar and disgusting -- unless they enjoy a bit of fingering, of course.

Small children are sneaky enough to point their fingers wrongfully at their siblings to avoid accountability for their misdeeds. Adults who can write and lick a stamp are certainly capable of being just as sneaky.

It seems far more likely that he just expected and wanted Bravenak to be intimidated.

that Bravenak would post the letter than that she would throw it away or be intimidated by it?

to effectively announce that they didn't read the OP, and to use that as leverage to continue to promote their fantasies.

Well... not impressed so much as unsurprised.

All it demonstrated was your own confirmation bias.

Learn what a conspiracy theory actually is. Hint: It is not interpreting the letter of one anonymous author and/or the circumstances around said letter differently than you do.

So even if in this case the person was not really a sanders supporter it would be wrong to say they would not say these things which would make them look bad.

What i noticed most was how much it sounded like the things said during blm Protests .

During Bernie's BLM fiasco's. And it wasn't hidden, and it was ferocious, and it was mean. So, I wonder why if it much of the same was said here right in the open and it didn't bother too many people, why they thinking this makes them look bad?

And Sanders' momentum just kept increasing. And somebody didn't like that too much.

It's been non stop bull...

We should be coming together about this, yet we are tearing each other apart. And people are unable to separate their personal political views from this bigger issue.

IBTL.

As a Sanders supporter, I've stated repeatedly that I hope this idiotic letter was not authored by a true Sanders supporter. But I'm not dismissing the possibility that it was. But even if it was, I don't understand your point. Are you suggesting that a Sanders supporter sent this crap thinking it would appear like it was sent by a Clinton supporter in order to discredit Sanders supporters? I'm not sure what motive you are attributing to who, but I think you are giving "Mr Citizen" waaaaay too much credit.

I'm pointing out that others are saying it.

and now there's "proof" ... an actual piece of paper, that says nasty things,
never mind that nobody knows who this jerk is who sent it, much less what
real their agenda is.

We must take EVERYTHING at face value, esp. when it supports my narrative.

It's been a flame war for weeks to make this mostly a Bernie Sanders forum. Things have settled down a bit recently because many voices have been jury silenced or left...hell there was even an announcement of a new Hillary site where you can enjoy her candidacy in peace.

If your a Bernie supporter, here every day reading this stuff...and a little off kilter...it's quite conceivable you might think the letters were a "cool" thing to do...

It would certainly be no surprise to me if it was a DUer...it fits with the current culture here.

That's the kind of thing one hears around here about Sanders supporters every day. It's not true, not in any overarching sense. And it never made any sense. But now there are a small handful of people trying to use this now-famous letter to reinforce that unsupportable point of view. I've seen it 3 or 4 times now in the last 2 days.

Here's a bottom line, of sorts: Anywhere from 0 to 1 Bernie Sanders supporters sent a nasty piece of US Mail to Bravenak. That number might be zero, and it might be one. Whichever it is, it's not greater than or equal to two. Ergo, Bernie Sanders supporters have no need whatsoever to feel a sense of collective guilt, and no need to stop pointing out when we believe Hillary Clinton is wrong, as some have suggested. For the many DU'ers I've seen standing behind Bravenak and supporting her through this stupid thing, I salute you for coming together and closing ranks. For the very few who are using this situation in an attempt to throw stones at the Sanders campaign and his supporters--knock it off; there's no call for that kind of shit.

I hope it was 0. Bernie definitely doesn't want the vote of anyone who would do something like this. But either way, it's just a tiny fraction of the Bernie supporters, and 1 very bad apple that did something bad in isolation doesn't reflect on a much larger group.

The odds are overwhelmingly in my favor.

And that's all I'll say.

Sid

of all the heinous supporters of the candidate who is threatening the candidate I favor.

How about all of you?

Use this word in a sentence, all of you.

Human nature. It's the personal that should bother people.