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struggle4progress

(118,316 posts)
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:03 AM Sep 2015

The US really frickin needs a new national anthem

Richard Armour got it right: During the bombardment, a young lawyer named Francis Off Key wrote "The Star-Spangled Banner", and when, by the dawn's early light, the British heard it sung, they fled in terror

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The US really frickin needs a new national anthem (Original Post) struggle4progress Sep 2015 OP
It was originally a poem, IIRC MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #1
It's not a good poem either. Nobody can remember the words. struggle4progress Sep 2015 #3
You know one verse and a chorus, here's the rest of 'Doodle' : Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #15
School kids could easily learn that with enthusiasm and would never forget it struggle4progress Sep 2015 #26
If you say so. It's fairly antique, difficult to understand and not universally applicable to the Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #65
The original version, if anyone's interested... Mac1949 Sep 2015 #5
Someone here at DU suggested a plausible drinking game to go with that: struggle4progress Sep 2015 #8
Sounds like fun, but... Mac1949 Sep 2015 #17
Go ahead and compose a new anthem. Maybe it will be a hit. nt ladjf Sep 2015 #2
There are plenty of good possibilities struggle4progress Sep 2015 #7
America the Beautiful! Ray Charles! longship Sep 2015 #11
Would the DU community endorse any song with "God" in it? brooklynite Sep 2015 #18
OK but let's not bicker to the point of doing nothing struggle4progress Sep 2015 #23
I'd rather have a song about god than a song about bombs XemaSab Sep 2015 #48
"he has loosed the faithful lightning of his terrible swift sword....." brooklynite Sep 2015 #49
I didn't mean EVERY song about god XemaSab Sep 2015 #74
As somebody who's not a big fan of God RexDart Sep 2015 #77
The next anthem could be C&W ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2015 #4
We can fight fire with fire there struggle4progress Sep 2015 #9
Sub title the song - All Hail to the Corporation liberal N proud Sep 2015 #6
Yankee Doodle Dandy struggle4progress Sep 2015 #13
...and the home... of the... crazed! nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #10
My country 'tis of thy people struggle4progress Sep 2015 #19
And, btw, I don't believe any apocryphal story about 'the British fleeing in terror' from a song. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #12
Revisionist! struggle4progress Sep 2015 #14
You need to read all of Richard Armour's books 1939 Sep 2015 #33
Why? DFW Sep 2015 #16
De Colores struggle4progress Sep 2015 #20
why have one that is sung at all? melm00se Sep 2015 #22
I suppose we could just use the current one without lyrics struggle4progress Sep 2015 #31
Yes other countries' anthems sound like hymns treestar Sep 2015 #53
Not all DFW Sep 2015 #67
I'd like one that is not about bombs, LWolf Sep 2015 #21
Geronimo's great-grand-daughter told me she refused to sing Guthrie's song struggle4progress Sep 2015 #24
I can see that. LWolf Sep 2015 #25
Maybe we could offer folk several national anthems, copying the example struggle4progress Sep 2015 #28
This land is your land. nt Javaman Sep 2015 #27
The fact that no one can sing that song is what makes it beautiful. Sheldon Cooper Sep 2015 #29
Well, we could just lend out instruments and ask people to play along with this struggle4progress Sep 2015 #32
ha ha marions ghost Sep 2015 #41
I vote for this one: johnp3907 Sep 2015 #30
This Is My Country struggle4progress Sep 2015 #34
Or some good-old Milwaukee 90s Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #55
Why have a song at all it serves no purpose except divisiveness YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #35
Who needs a song to divide us when we can already be so divisive via internet? struggle4progress Sep 2015 #39
It's an embarrassing anachronism. HughBeaumont Sep 2015 #36
You should research the lyrics of other national anthems. Throd Sep 2015 #42
France: Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #66
THat's one. Here are several others. HughBeaumont Sep 2015 #71
On this topic, more or less marions ghost Sep 2015 #37
+ struggle4progress Sep 2015 #40
America Uber Alles? ryan_cats Sep 2015 #38
God Bless the USA? hardluck Sep 2015 #43
If Socialist Bernie becomes our Prez... pink-o Sep 2015 #44
Sorry, but no other national song lets people do this: Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #45
Toby Keith's "Have I Got a Present for You" Orsino Sep 2015 #46
I think Randy Newman has written many anthems about America olddots Sep 2015 #47
A Few Words in Defense of Our Country struggle4progress Sep 2015 #50
We should adopt the Spanish national anthem -- much easier to sing nichomachus Sep 2015 #51
Que? Throd Sep 2015 #52
People make up all sort of things to fill the gap nichomachus Sep 2015 #54
I guess I should have yelled "Stop making shit up" at everyone when I lived there. Throd Sep 2015 #63
Sometimes that's called for nichomachus Sep 2015 #69
Maybe Taylor Swift can write it, OP! WinkyDink Sep 2015 #56
God Bless America rogerashton Sep 2015 #57
If Democrats picked this battle, Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #58
You don't think everyone would sign on for John Prine's Paradise? struggle4progress Sep 2015 #62
"simple gifts" DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #59
Love is Little struggle4progress Sep 2015 #61
God Bless the USA by Lee Greenwood is good Reter Sep 2015 #60
I agree, something to keep with modern times. Rex Sep 2015 #64
Mebbe Lawyers, Guns and Money struggle4progress Sep 2015 #68
Nope Snow Leopard Sep 2015 #70
Blister in the Sun? Glassunion Sep 2015 #72
Gets my vote! beac Sep 2015 #73
"America, F*&# Yeah!" has my vote. Nailzberg Sep 2015 #75
"Sweet America," Buffy Saint Marie. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #76

struggle4progress

(118,316 posts)
3. It's not a good poem either. Nobody can remember the words.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:50 AM
Sep 2015

Even Yankee Doodle would be better in every respect

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
15. You know one verse and a chorus, here's the rest of 'Doodle' :
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:20 AM
Sep 2015

Fath'r and I went down to camp,
Along with Captain Gooding,
And there we saw the men and boys
As thick as hasty pudding.
Chorus

And there we saw a thousand men
As rich as Squire David,
And what they wasted every day,
I wish it could be saved.
Chorus

The 'lasses they eat it every day,
Would keep a house a winter;
They have so much, that I'll be bound,
They eat it when they've mind ter.
Chorus

And there I see a swamping gun
Large as a log of maple,
Upon a deuced little cart,
A load for father's cattle.
Chorus

And every time they shoot it off,
It takes a horn of powder,
and makes a noise like father's gun,
Only a nation louder.
Chorus


 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
65. If you say so. It's fairly antique, difficult to understand and not universally applicable to the
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:08 PM
Sep 2015

people or country. 'This Land Is Your Land' has my vote on every front.

struggle4progress

(118,316 posts)
8. Someone here at DU suggested a plausible drinking game to go with that:
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:06 AM
Sep 2015

raise your glass on the high notes and lower it on the low notes, taking a swig whenever you screw up

longship

(40,416 posts)
11. America the Beautiful! Ray Charles!
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:15 AM
Sep 2015

That would be my choice.

The Star Bangled Banner is a horrible, unsingable, song.

RexDart

(188 posts)
77. As somebody who's not a big fan of God
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:00 AM
Sep 2015

I have no problem with America The Beautiful, as it's just a freaking gorgeous song. And in my mind the second and third stanzas are very humble. Along the lines of, yeah, we're good, but we've got a long way to reach our full potential.

My choices in order
1 - America the Beautiful
2 - Battle Cry of Freedom
3 - This Land is Your Land
4 - Marching Through Georgia

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,354 posts)
4. The next anthem could be C&W ...
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:56 AM
Sep 2015

... with the non-word "nucular" somewhere in the lyrics.

Be careful what you ask for ...

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
6. Sub title the song - All Hail to the Corporation
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:00 AM
Sep 2015

All hail to the corporation and the oppression for which it stands for.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
12. And, btw, I don't believe any apocryphal story about 'the British fleeing in terror' from a song.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:17 AM
Sep 2015

That's propaganda. If they were 'fleeing in terror' it was from something else they saw or thought they saw, like reinforcements or rumours thereof.

1939

(1,683 posts)
33. You need to read all of Richard Armour's books
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:35 AM
Sep 2015

They were classic. I used to have a complete set, but loaned them out over the years and they never came back.

DFW

(54,415 posts)
16. Why?
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:20 AM
Sep 2015

Just because it has antiquated, militaristic lyrics and can't be sung by anyone with less than a 2 octave range?

Oh. Wait. Never mind.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
53. Yes other countries' anthems sound like hymns
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 03:52 PM
Sep 2015

which are also for average singers.

And they are positive about love for the country rather than about a battle.

I wonder if it affects us to explain why we are so militaristic.

DFW

(54,415 posts)
67. Not all
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:38 PM
Sep 2015

My younger daughter once took part in an elementary school "olympics" as her class at the Anne Frank Schule here in Düsseldorf had 16 or more different nationalities in it out of a class of 28. The French Marseillaise is just as militaristic as our own ("aux armes, citoyens!&quot , as was the old Soviet anthem (I don't know if Putin's Russia still uses the tune). The tunes from places like Iran and Pakistan were curiously like folk tunes. This was 20 years ago, so they may have since changed.

struggle4progress

(118,316 posts)
28. Maybe we could offer folk several national anthems, copying the example
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:09 AM
Sep 2015

of the great state of Tennessee, which currently seems to have ten official state songs

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
29. The fact that no one can sing that song is what makes it beautiful.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:11 AM
Sep 2015

It unites us. We all start out confidently singing the first couple of lines, then we fall off to quiet mumbling, then bring it to a rousing end "...o'er the land of the FREEEEEEE! and the home, of the, braaaave. Nothing could be better, IMO.

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
35. Why have a song at all it serves no purpose except divisiveness
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:41 AM
Sep 2015

Or is music better to thump ones chest and shout USA, USA or other such nonsense.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
36. It's an embarrassing anachronism.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:42 AM
Sep 2015

When I go to derby events and they play national anthems from other countries, they're about national pride, community and other good things. Ours is about perilous fights, rockets, war, battles, "freedom isn't free" . . . I don't even want to stand up for it, much less sing that militaristic piece of crap.

America the Beautiful is something I could get into.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
66. France:
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:14 PM
Sep 2015

Let's go children of the fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us tyranny's
Bloody flag is raised! (repeat)
In the countryside, do you hear
The roaring of these fierce soldiers?
They come right to our arms
To slit the throats of our sons, our friends!

Refrain

Grab your weapons, citizens!
Form your batallions!
Let us march! Let us march!
May impure blood
Water our fields!

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
71. THat's one. Here are several others.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:23 PM
Sep 2015

Sweden:

Thou ancient, thou free and mountainous North
Thou quiet, thou joyful beauty!
I greet thee, most beautiful land upon earth,
Thy sun, Thy sky and meadows green.
Thy sun, Thy sky and meadows green.

2. Thou rest upon memories of great olden days,
When honored thy name flew across the world,
I know that thou art and will be as thou were,
Yes, I want to live I want to die in the North
Yes, I want to live I want to die in the North

Canada:

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

Germany:

Unity and Right and Freedom
For the German Fatherland!
After these let us all strive
Brotherly with heart and hand!
Unity and Right and Freedom
Are the pledge of happiness.
Bloom in the splendour of this happiness,
Bloom, my German Fatherland!
Bloom in the splendour of this happiness,
Bloom, my German Fatherland!

Lithuania:

Lithuania, our homeland,
Land of worshiped heroes!
Let your sons draw their strength
From our past experience.

Let your children always follow
Only roads of virtue,
May your own, mankind’s well-being
Be the goals they work for.

May the sun above our land
Bannish darkening clouds around
Light and truth all along
Guide our steps forever.

May the love of Lithuania
Brightly burn in our hearts.
For the sake this land
Let unity blossom.

United Kingdom:

1. God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen:
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us:
God save the Queen.

2. O Lord, our God, arise,
Scatter her enemies,
And make them fall.
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
God save us all.

3. Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour;
Long may she reign:
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen

Switzerland:

1. When the morning skies grow red
And o’er their radiance shed,
Thou, O Lord, appeareth in their light.
When the Alps glow bright with splendour,
Pray to God, to Him surrender,
For you feel and understand,
For you feel and understand,
That he dwelleth in this land.
That he dwelleth in this land.

2. In the sunset Thou art nigh
And beyond the starry sky,
Thou, O loving Father, ever near
When to Heaven we are departing,
Joy and bliss Thou’lt be imparting,
For we feel and understand
For we feel and understand
That Thou dwellest in this land.
That Thou dwellest in this land.

India:

Thou art the ruler of the minds of all people,
Dispenser of India’s destiny.
Thy name rouses the hearts of Punjab, Sind,
Gujarat and Maratha,
Of the Dravida and Orissa and Bengal;
It echoes in the hills of the Vindhyas and Himalayas,
mingles in the music of Jamuna and Ganges and is
chanted by the waves of the Indian Sea.
They pray for thy blessings and sing thy praise.
The saving of all people waits in thy hand,
Thou dispenser of India’s destiny.
Victory, victory, victory to thee.

Hell, let's look at evil Iraq:

My homeland, My homeland
Glory and beauty, Sublimity and splendor
Are in your hills, Are in your hills
Life and deliverance, Pleasure and hope
Are in your air, Are in your Air
Will I see you? Will I see you?
Safe and comforted, Sound and honored
Safe and comforted, Sound and honored
Will I see you in your eminence?
Reaching to the stars, Reaching to the stars
My homeland, My homeland

You guys were saying?

COME on.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
44. If Socialist Bernie becomes our Prez...
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:36 AM
Sep 2015

...then I vote for Socialist Woody Guthrie's "This land is your land". Super-easy to sing, too!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,186 posts)
45. Sorry, but no other national song lets people do this:
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:51 AM
Sep 2015


So it may be somewhat militaristic and hard to sing, but I'm sorry, it stays. Because that's just a thing of beauty.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
46. Toby Keith's "Have I Got a Present for You"
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 12:02 PM
Sep 2015


Not enough rockets and bombs in Key's pantywaist original, which doesn't even mention Christmas.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
54. People make up all sort of things to fill the gap
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 03:54 PM
Sep 2015

Al lot of them just go La La La La or something like that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcha_Real

The Marcha Real (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈmartʃa reˈal], "Royal March&quot is the national anthem of Spain. It is one of only four national anthems (along with those of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo and San Marino) in the world to have no official lyrics.[1]

Throd

(7,208 posts)
63. I guess I should have yelled "Stop making shit up" at everyone when I lived there.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:46 PM
Sep 2015

Of course, I learned it as "Franco, Franco, que tiene culo blanco..." and it went downhill from there.

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
57. God Bless America
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 04:41 PM
Sep 2015

I was in Vienna, Austria on 9-11-2001 and was a "displaced person" for a couple of days before I managed to crowd onto a flight home. When the flight was landing at Philly, the passengers applauded the crew and spontaneously sang "God Bless America."

OK, I'm not much of a God-believer -- I pretty much reserve judgment on theology -- but I think that experience demonstrates that it is our real national hymn, regardless what the official choice may be.

It's an easy song to sing, and whatever I believe about God on any particular day, I do believe we are blessed.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
58. If Democrats picked this battle,
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:05 PM
Sep 2015

it would raise such a ruckus and cost too much in political capital to make it worthwhile.

The Star Spangled Banner is a difficult song to sing but it isn't going anywhere.

I think I first learned the lyrics when I was about 11 years old and still remember them. The only people who have problems are those that lose concentration. Anyone doing it as a solo should have a slip of paper with the lyrics printed, just in case.

Nailzberg

(4,610 posts)
75. "America, F*&# Yeah!" has my vote.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:11 AM
Sep 2015

I mean, we're already headed full-steam toward an Idiocracy. Let's just get it over with.

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