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Stinky The Clown

(67,800 posts)
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 12:58 PM Sep 2015

Did the Pope intentionally snub John Roberts?

Here's the setup: All attendees at his address to a Joint Session were told to remain decorous. That meant no catcalls, no cheering, no reaching out to touch the Pope as he made his way down the aisle.

Seated opposite each other, right on the aisle, were John Roberts and John Kerry. As the Pope got to that point he stopped and turned to Kerry to shake his hand. In that Kerry was opposite Roberts, the Pope's back was naturally turned toward Roberts.

Was this an intentional snub of Roberts?


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Did the Pope intentionally snub John Roberts? (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 OP
I Found it Strage that the Pope JanetLovesObama Sep 2015 #1
Might be a Head of State / Secretary of State thing...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #4
At least in part,because they know each other Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #5
That's right. This pope is a huge fan of the Cuda Glassunion Sep 2015 #7
Perhaps because John Kerry was Catholic. Thom Hartmann this morning just had an interesting comment cascadiance Sep 2015 #6
john roberts and many others there are catholic also. But if kerry were to run for president again JI7 Sep 2015 #15
Cuba is how this whole thing came about JI7 Sep 2015 #8
Kerry has worked closely on several Vatican issues with the cardinal who leads their foreign policy karynnj Sep 2015 #20
No. They have lots in common...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #2
Kerry is the US Secretary of State / The Pope is a foreign leader jberryhill Sep 2015 #3
Snub the guy who saved Obamacare? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #9
The Pope recognized Kerry, they worked together over Cuba. Sunlei Sep 2015 #10
That's what I think. And not just recognized him -- appreciated what he accomplished. nt pnwmom Sep 2015 #13
not in person - and likely not directly karynnj Sep 2015 #18
i think he just didn't see him. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #11
9 in 10 American wouldn't recognize Roberts in a line up. Why should the Pope? Throd Sep 2015 #12
9 in 10? That's very generous of you. Sunlei Sep 2015 #14
Roberts hates abortion, gays, and supports Obamacare Reter Sep 2015 #16
He shook only one hand - Kerry's. It is easy to say this honors Kerry karynnj Sep 2015 #17
I'd like to think so. hunter Sep 2015 #19
 

JanetLovesObama

(548 posts)
1. I Found it Strage that the Pope
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:02 PM
Sep 2015

only shook hands with John Kerry but I don't think he snubbed anybody. I am more interested in why he shook only Kerry's hand a that point.

Stinky The Clown

(67,800 posts)
5. At least in part,because they know each other
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:09 PM
Sep 2015

Kerry has been to the Vatican as SoS. He was also an integral part of the thaw with Cuda, which was a big deal to this Pope. So yeah, it is likely the fact he knew him.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
6. Perhaps because John Kerry was Catholic. Thom Hartmann this morning just had an interesting comment
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:17 PM
Sep 2015

Not sure it was related to this event, but he was noting that he and his wife personally met with the Pope with a group of folk a while back, and that the Pope shook his hand, even though protocol there was that the Pope would only have personal contact with those who are Catholics. And the pope even went so far as to shake his wife's hand too, who is also Protestant, and that almost in more defiance of those guarding the Pope at the time, who had warned up front her to not shake hands with him, and that the Pope doesn't do that with women too. This pope I think pushes the limits of these protocols, but perhaps at a big public event like this, he didn't want to push those boundaries too far while on camera.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
15. john roberts and many others there are catholic also. But if kerry were to run for president again
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:24 PM
Sep 2015

I'm pretty sure he would get the same shitty treatment he got last time around.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
8. Cuba is how this whole thing came about
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 02:51 PM
Sep 2015

The pope wanted Cuba to open up to the church again and Obama wanted to open relations.

Kerry was Obama 's rep in these negotiations.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
20. Kerry has worked closely on several Vatican issues with the cardinal who leads their foreign policy
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:45 PM
Sep 2015

I suspect that the Iran deal, Cuba and the Syrian Chemical weapons deal are the three big things he knows Kerry was instrumental on - that can be described as making the world less violent. In addition, Kerry was instrumental on the climate pact with China that is said to be a key part of the Obama administrations work on climate change. These are all big deals to the Pope.

Kerry wrote a moving oped in the Boston Globe about working with the Vatican for Easter 2014. Googgling to find it, I see that it is on the State department web site as well. Because it is there, I think I can quote the entire op ed. It shows one of the less publicized times they worked together. It also suggests that this hand shake likely meant a huge deal to Secretary Kerry, who is Catholic and received his law degree from a Jesuit college. Father Drinan, who had been the former Dean was a lifelong mentor to Kerry.


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Last month, I traveled to Rome with President Obama, where I was honored to meet His Holiness Pope Francis. As an altar boy six decades ago, I never imagined that I would find myself crossing the threshold of the Vatican to see the Bishop of Rome.

My wife, Teresa, and I took our own pilgrimage three years ago at Easter to Assisi, and traveled to Porziuncala to see the chapel which St. Francis restored out of the rubble, one of his own special ways of acting upon the prophecy visited upon him to “repair my house.” Two years later, Teresa and I sat in Mass at Georgetown as our priest shared the moving story of the moment Pope Francis decided to take Francis for his name as the Holy Father – after the Cardinal from Brazil shared his caution not to “forget the poor.”

Today, all the world knows that this was more than a symbolic statement by Pope Francis, but rather the start of a mission that is now an example to the world.

Today, as the first Catholic Secretary of State in 33 years, I find special joy and pride in the way that the United States can partner with the Holy See to help meet some of our greatest global challenges.

Among those challenges, we find perhaps no greater threat to human dignity, no greater assault on basic freedom, than the evil of human trafficking — what we call modern-day slavery and what Pope Francis himself denounced as “a crime against humanity.”

Whether it comes in the form of a young girl trapped in a brothel, a woman enslaved as a domestic worker, a boy forced to sell himself on the street, or a man abused on a fishing boat, the victims of this crime have been robbed of the right to lead the lives they choose for themselves.

For years, it has been apparent that this crime affects every country in the world. As many as 27 million people are victims, and the United States is the first to acknowledge that no government anywhere is doing enough.

But as we dive deeper, we begin to see that modern slavery, like so many other 21st century challenges, doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s interconnected with so many of our other foreign-policy concerns, from environmental sustainability to advancing the lives of women and girls to combating transnational organized crime. Wherever we find poverty and lack of opportunity — wherever the rule of law is weak, where corruption is most ingrained, and where populations can’t count on the protection of government and law enforcement — we find not just vulnerability to trafficking, but zones of impunity where traffickers can more easily prey on their victims.

A major zone of impunity is beyond the border and jurisdiction of any single country. Research shows us that people laboring on the high seas are subject to brutal abuse and enslavement. This fact cannot be separated from our other concerns about the ocean: if we want to secure safe and free trade routes, bolster global food security, or curb environmental degradation, we ignore the oceans at our peril.

Trafficking sits at the intersection of all these issues.

Do we think that a ship’s captain who beats and murders his crew will respect his fishing quota? Do we believe he’ll respect laws against smuggling drugs, weapons, and people? Do we think he’s helping conserve the environment for future generations? The answers are self-evident, and so is the need to address this problem head-on.

We are starting to make progress. I’ve instructed the Trafficking in Persons Office at the State Department to zero in on the way modern slavery entangles with economic and environmental concerns. This is one powerful example of how we are engaging with faith communities to solve a range of global issues of mutual concern, in partnership with the new Office of Faith-Based Community Initiatives at the State Department, led by Dr. Shaun Casey, whom I recruited from Wesley Seminary.

A key partner in these efforts will be the Apostolate of the Sea, a Catholic organization with a world-wide network of clergy and lay religious serving workers in the fishing fleet and their families. Working together, we feel confident we can improve the way we uncover modern slavery, identify its victims, get them out of harm’s way, and bring their abusers to justice.

As Christians the world over celebrate Easter, this is a fitting place to fix our gaze. Christ found his earliest followers off the shore of the Sea of Galilee. He brought them off their fishing boats to become his apostles, to spread his message of love and compassion. Particularly at Easter, this is a message that can guide people of all faiths. When we embrace our common humanity and stand up for the dignity of all people, we realize the vision of a world that is more caring and more just — a world free from slavery.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2014/04/224999.htm



 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. Kerry is the US Secretary of State / The Pope is a foreign leader
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:05 PM
Sep 2015

Roberts is a judge.

I find the notion that the Pope would even know who is John Roberts amusing.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
18. not in person - and likely not directly
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:32 PM
Sep 2015

Kerry has worked often with the Vatican's SoS. Kerry met the Pope for the first time on the trip where Obama did.

However, Kerry is pretty easy to recognize. (Take any group of Senators that he was in - he is very very easy to spot.) Roberts here stands out due to the robe he and 3 others wore - otherwise, he does not stand out in a crowd.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
17. He shook only one hand - Kerry's. It is easy to say this honors Kerry
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:27 PM
Sep 2015

As to Roberts, he like everyone other than Kerry did not get a handshake. unless you want to say that he snubbed everyone except Kerry - and Biden and Boehner, NO.

hunter

(38,313 posts)
19. I'd like to think so.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:35 PM
Sep 2015

Roberts is creepy.

If I was Pope maybe I'd have shaken Robert's hand and immediately pulled hand sanitizer from a hidden pocket in my gown and used it.

That's just one reason I'm not the Pope.

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