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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 08:29 PM Sep 2015

Al From's group wanted a "bloodless revolution" in our Democratic Party.

Al From in his recent book, The New Democrats Return to Power, indicated that their group was formed to take over the party's policy.

He went further, even proclaiming they could take over the party. In many ways they did. This is sort of Part 2 of It's Al From’s Democratic Party, we just live here.

The DLC group is sometimes portrayed as a pro-Wall Street set of lobbyists. And From did recruit hedge fund legends like Michael Steinhardt to fund his movement. But to argue these people were corrupt or motivated by a pay to play form of politics is wrong. From is clearly a reformer and an ideologue, and his colleagues believed they were serving the public interest. “Make no mistake about it,” wrote From in a memo about his organization’s strategy, “what we hope to accomplish with the DLC is a bloodless revolution in our party." It is not unlike what the conservatives accomplished in the Republican Party during the 1960s and 1970s


I disagree with Stoller on one point for sure. I do not believe From's colleagues believed or even cared if they were serving the public interest. I believe funding and profit were their main goals.

We can thank them for the trade deals that have taken many jobs overseas. Al From was really firm on Bill Clinton supporting NAFTA. Notice he wants to "beat" organized labor. What kind of Democrat does that? A New Democrat.

As From wrote in a memo to Clinton in his first term, “Of all the opportunities you have this fall, NAFTA presents the greatest. Passing NAFTA can make your presidency. NAFTA presents both an economic and political opportunity…I can’t tell you how much better it would make your life and how much it would strengthen your presidency for you to beat (David) Bonior and organized labor on NAFTA. That would reestablish presidential leadership in the Democratic Party, something that hasn’t happened since 1966.”

From had an institutionalist perspective on NAFTA. He believed in free trade, but he also believed in Presidential primacy over the legislature. '“Politically, a victory on NAFTA would assert your leadership over your own party by making it clear that you, not the Democratic leadership in Congress or the interest groups, set the Democratic Party’s agenda on matters of real national importance.” You can hear echoes of Obama, and the broad Democratic party, in its collective disdain towards Congress. That is one consequence of From’s revolution, a shift of legitimacy away from the legislature.

From worked with Bob Rubin, Bill Daley, and Rahm Emanuel to run a campaign to pass NAFTA. Since rolling labor and crushing the left was his favorite activity, From jumped into this feet first. He registered as a lobbyist, talked to members on the Hill, and traveled nationwide to do public and media events on behalf of the agreement. It worked, and in his view, set the stage for the rest of Clinton’s term


I question the wisdom of having a contest between Congress and the President on purpose.

More from Al From's piece about his book at The Atlantic last year.

Recruiting Bill Clinton

Subtitle:

How the New Democrats recruited a leader and saved the party after three devastating Republican routs

I have to disagree with Al From about the subtitle. We have had other devastating losses in the most recent years. How does he explain that? His DLC advocates are still in firm control of the party apparatus, so how do they explain these losses.

In this article Al From tells of how they got started on changing the party. Their think tank formed their own think tank called the Progressive Policy Institute. Al From named it Progressive because, in his own words, he was tired of his group being called conservative.

To bring about real change in the Democratic Party, the Democratic Leadership Conference, which we had founded in 1985 to expand the party's base and appeal to moderates and liberals—had to become a national political movement. That required two things.

First, we needed an intellectual center, because without a candidate to rally around, we needed a set of compelling ideas. Just as it was clear that we needed to paint the mural, it was also clear that we needed to beef up our capacity to paint it. We needed more substantive help. We needed a political think tank with the capacity to develop politically potent, substantive ideas that our elected officials and political supporters could embrace. In January 1989, we created the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI).


Hard to argue they did succeed in setting policy for the party.

This article from last month by the Progressive Policy Institute tells how President Obama worked on getting the TPP passed.

New Democrats plan ‘assertive’ new presence in House

But a group of pro-business Democrats, who allied with President Barack Obama and Republicans to pass landmark trade legislation, are angling to cut more deals with the GOP and White House as a way to assert themselves — and force the Democratic Caucus to the center.

Led by Rep. Ron Kind of Wisconsin, the New Democrat Coalition of some 50 members sees opportunities this fall on taxes, trade, Medicare and government spending. Those are all areas where House Republicans have struggled to fashion 218-vote majorities from within their own party, with a cadre of restive conservatives often rejecting leadership’s compromises with Senate Democrats and Obama.

“We need to reconstitute the center of American politics again, on both sides. That is a crucial role we have to play, especially when it comes to the economic message and what resonates in those competitive districts,” Kind said in a recent interview.

Moderates are tired of being overshadowed in a party where liberals have long dominated the agenda, even as Democrats slipped further into the House minority after the 2014 midterm elections. They’ve accused the White House and party leaders of focusing too much on niche economic issues like the minimum wage and pay equity — policies, moderates argue, that turn off suburban voters Democrats need if they want to take back the House. And top Democratic leaders have released them to break with the party’s liberal base, in many cases an acknowledgement that many moderates come from tightly contested districts.

Early returns have been positive.

When needed support from his own party to pass landmark trade legislation, he turned to the New Democrat Coalition. The group mustered just enough votes — 28 in total — to clear fast-track trade authority through Congress, despite opposition from the party’s left, including Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California. It was the latest — and most controversial — instance of the group flexing its muscles.


I disagree with above statement about liberals controlling the agenda. Can't remember a time when we did that. Maybe before my time.

In his article linked above, Recruiting Bill Clinton, Al From tells why they felt they needed someone like Bill Clinton. He quotes from Clinton's words:

He was not afraid to challenge old orthodoxies. In the early 1980s, long before I knew him, he and Hillary Clinton pushed cutting-edge education reforms, like pay for performance and public-school choice, against the opposition of the powerful Arkansas Education Association. Speaking about education in his Philadelphia speech, Clinton said the Democratic Party was “good at doing more. We are not so good at doing things differently, and doing them better, particularly when we have to attack the established ideas and forces which have been good to us and close to us. We are prone, I think, to programmatic solutions as against those which change structure, reassert basic values or make individual connections with children.”


Some "established ideas" that have been under attack for a while are Social Security and public schools.

From's writing indicates the group believed they were deciding policy for the party even back in the early 90s.

Nearly a year after our Little Rock meeting, at the DLC’s Annual Conference in New Orleans on March 24, 1990, Bill Clinton became the DLC’s fourth chairman. Calling Clinton a “rising star in three decades,” Sam Nunn passed him the gavel. Nunn quipped that when the DLC was created “we were viewed as a rump group. Now we’re viewed as the brains of the party. In just five years, we’ve moved from one end of the donkey to the other.”


I noticed some interesting quotes from Amazon reviews about From's book from December 2013, The New Democrats and the Return to Power.

Al From redefined centrist politics and provided the ideas and organization to move the Democrats from opposition to government, showing progressives across the world how to be principled, modern and in power. (Tony Blair, former prime minister of the United Kingdom)

I always wished I could be as smart as Al, and this book shows why. He shows what it was really like to be present at the creation of a movement that would take the Democrats from the wilderness to the White House, forever changing the course of American political history. This is a book about ideas as much as the people who forged them into a winning strategy, and it should be read, re-read and underlined by anyone who wants to know what it takes to be successful in American politics today. (Rahm Emanuel, Mayor of Chicago and former White House Chief of Staff)

Before 1992, the Democratic Party had moved too far to the left to win national elections. Too little credit is given to Al From, whose book tells the story of how he helped move his party back toward the common sense center. (Haley Barbour, former governor of Mississippi)

The American business community owes a big debt of gratitude to Al From. With vision and persistence he helped lead a major political party back to the principles of private sector growth, trade, jobs, personal responsibility, and fiscal stability. This book proves that the political center can win politically and govern effectively. Both parties -- and the American people -- would be wise to learn from Al's inspiring story. (Thomas J. Donohue, President & CEO, U.S. Chamber of Commerce)


I don't find those reviews reassuring considering the sources.

I think we have to look back like this to understand why we are where we are now. It's time to reverse that "intellectual leveraged buyout" of our party.

Otherwise known as a "hostile takeover."






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Al From's group wanted a "bloodless revolution" in our Democratic Party. (Original Post) madfloridian Sep 2015 OP
Kicking and bookmarking.. AuntPatsy Sep 2015 #1
Same here...Thanks Mad! haikugal Sep 2015 #2
kick merrily Sep 2015 #3
They have the Senate locked up. With only a few exceptions. stillwaiting Sep 2015 #4
And we're losing a progressive in the Senate next year. Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #59
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #5
fuck from. whoever posts these is doing a great service to everyone. :D roguevalley Sep 2015 #7
Really important. Thank you. zentrum Sep 2015 #6
To me it's important because it was planned and put into action with profit in mind. madfloridian Sep 2015 #23
^Yes^ zentrum Sep 2015 #39
The ONLY thing we can do is Doctor_J Sep 2015 #8
You are right, they pay no attention to us. madfloridian Sep 2015 #13
This is the purpose of the "Lesser of Two Evils" meme: Maedhros Sep 2015 #44
I am done with that game, forever. hifiguy Sep 2015 #46
They will continue to play the game as long as the rubes fall for it. Maedhros Dec 2015 #64
exactly. hopemountain Dec 2015 #63
Wow. What real friends of organized labor these, and I use the term loosely, "people" are. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #9
Kicking and Recommending FloriTexan Sep 2015 #10
K&R CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #11
K&R Paka Sep 2015 #12
nauseating ibegurpard Sep 2015 #14
I said several times over the years, that I will never again vote for anyone associated with the DLC Fuddnik Sep 2015 #15
Yep. We, the people, have to now take back the people's party. mmonk Sep 2015 #16
Yes. madfloridian Sep 2015 #24
Great post. mmonk Sep 2015 #28
Thanks for posting this. K&R think Sep 2015 #17
That paragraph about establishing presidential primacy over the legislature... Volaris Sep 2015 #18
"that's called the IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY" madfloridian Sep 2015 #49
K & R. This clarifies things even more. Duppers Sep 2015 #19
K&R - What I don't get, is why ANY labor union would support a 3rd Way candidate 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #20
Same reason some accept millions of Bill Gates ed reform money. madfloridian Sep 2015 #22
You know what they say about drunks - they can't reform until they hit bottom. erronis Sep 2015 #42
Like unions & any middle-class could survive another 4/8 years of union busting and job-outsourcing.. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #47
absolutely. and we will never win a living wage or hopemountain Dec 2015 #61
Corruption can be one cause. Jamastiene Sep 2015 #56
That is quite an eye-opening piece of writing. You actually answered my question. Thank you. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #57
we have to take a very close look at all "democrat" reps hopemountain Dec 2015 #62
eye opening restorefreedom Sep 2015 #21
Rahm's quote seems ironic dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #25
Yep, and don't forget when Dean was chair we took the Senate as well. madfloridian Sep 2015 #36
Fabulous research & very important emsimon33 Sep 2015 #26
Kicked Enthusiast Sep 2015 #27
"I want to be invisible. I do guerrilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night. MisterP Sep 2015 #29
+1 - great analysis. I like the X or Y frameworks. erronis Sep 2015 #43
Thanks, Mad Thespian2 Sep 2015 #30
I wish I could rec this post more than once. Thank you. nt antigop Sep 2015 #31
"a bloodless revolution" < Or just not his, or his office mates. Tens of millions in permanent jtuck004 Sep 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author jtuck004 Sep 2015 #32
The blood came later...like when the homeowners foamed the runway for the Banksters. Octafish Sep 2015 #34
A LOT of harm was done by such policies. madfloridian Sep 2015 #50
A lot of tortured rationalization DirkGently Sep 2015 #35
.... madfloridian Sep 2015 #58
Remember when liberals ran the party??? freebrew Sep 2015 #37
Great post. Good to know how we got to where we are today. marmar Sep 2015 #38
So opposing this is the very definition of what an UNDERGROUND Democrat should be. yodermon Sep 2015 #40
Good point. madfloridian Sep 2015 #48
After Nixon's resignation, sulphurdunn Sep 2015 #41
Yup. hifiguy Sep 2015 #45
Oooopsie fascisthunter Sep 2015 #51
Really instructive, thanks! nt Babel_17 Sep 2015 #52
Hostile takeover... LWolf Sep 2015 #53
Me, too. Pretty hostile. madfloridian Sep 2015 #54
Liberals have never been in charge of shit. Jamastiene Sep 2015 #55
..... madfloridian Sep 2015 #60
reverse hostile takeover YellowMango Jun 2016 #65
KnR coyote Jun 2016 #66

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
4. They have the Senate locked up. With only a few exceptions.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 08:58 PM
Sep 2015

We have A LOT of work to do to return the favor.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
59. And we're losing a progressive in the Senate next year.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 03:16 PM
Sep 2015

Kamala Harris', Boxer's presumed replacement is a neoliberal who has proudly announced her support for Hillary.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
23. To me it's important because it was planned and put into action with profit in mind.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:23 AM
Sep 2015

And so they did not have to worry about the rest of us.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
8. The ONLY thing we can do is
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:50 PM
Sep 2015
stop voting for new democrats. Withholding our money does nothing. Writing them letters does nothing. Signing on line petitions does nothing.

We have to suck it up and stop voting against our interests. To me, for profit healthcare, TPP, offshore drilling, charter schools, fracking, pipelines, poverty wages, and more war do not offset abortion rights. Enough.
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
44. This is the purpose of the "Lesser of Two Evils" meme:
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:11 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Fri Sep 25, 2015, 03:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Ignore our demands, yet brow-beat us into voting for politicians that are doing the opposite of what we want.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
46. I am done with that game, forever.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:15 PM
Sep 2015

Never again will I vote for the "lesser" of two obvious evils.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
64. They will continue to play the game as long as the rubes fall for it.
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:36 AM
Dec 2015

The only solution to a rigged game is not to play.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
63. exactly.
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:59 AM
Dec 2015

i believed in compromise and reaching consensus as a democratic means until i realized the "compromise" and the consensus was one sided and a shell game. no more.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
14. nauseating
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:06 PM
Sep 2015

These bloodsuckers need to go back to the Republican Party and pull it back from the brink of crazy. Our tent is not big enough for anti-government policy.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
15. I said several times over the years, that I will never again vote for anyone associated with the DLC
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:12 PM
Sep 2015

That includes New Dems, Blue Dogs, and other assorted fake Democrats.

It's for real this time. If you nominate a New Dem DLC'er, you deserve the consequences.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
18. That paragraph about establishing presidential primacy over the legislature...
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:21 AM
Sep 2015

Yeah...that's called the IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY, and it's why Dick Cheney isn't sitting in the Hague.
Thanks Al we appreciate that.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
20. K&R - What I don't get, is why ANY labor union would support a 3rd Way candidate
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:02 AM
Sep 2015

It's one thing to fool voters, but Labor unions presumably do their research and
know about this shit. Crap, I marched in Seattle against WTO & Nafta etc. and
those protests were largely organized by labor, plus a smattering of other progressive
players.

So why is Hills able to get and keep any union support.

erronis

(15,328 posts)
42. You know what they say about drunks - they can't reform until they hit bottom.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:56 PM
Sep 2015

I don't think the DLC and the dems that support the platform have learned where the bottom is, yet.

Unfortunately, it might take another 4/8-year bender or two for the "centrists", nth Way, bluedogs, to have their asses handed to them, yet again. Even against the total doltage of the repugs these DINOs think they can have another sip or two. Maybe they and their wall street friends can. But eventually they (or their offspring) will pay the price.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
47. Like unions & any middle-class could survive another 4/8 years of union busting and job-outsourcing..
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:32 PM
Sep 2015

The longer this 3rd Way shit gets supported by unions themselves, the less leverage
they will have down the road to fight back.

IMHO the frogs are already boiling. It really is now or never for both unions and saving
any semblance of a middle class.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
61. absolutely. and we will never win a living wage or
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:55 AM
Dec 2015

maintain safe work environments, healthcare and other benefits, or have jobs.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
56. Corruption can be one cause.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:29 PM
Sep 2015

I don't mean corruption in the usual sense. I mean corruption of the definition of what a labor union is supposed to be and do. Many of the labor unions down where I live are not real. They are put here to keep us from having real labor unions. They do nothing but take money (dues) and tell you to vote against your own interests, for those anti-labor blue dog dems. I have a friend from NY who had experience with real unions before he moved down here for a while in the 90s. He explained how these unions down here are a crock of shit, not real, and only put here to keep the real unions out. That is why labor unions do not have more power. That is why the more liberal part of the party does not have more control.

You always gotta watch the south for a deranged interpretation of what any Democratic Party values really mean. ALWAYS. I am not one for demographic hatred, but I'm talking about the power structure here. There are tons of great Democrats in the south. That's not my point. My point is that the power structure of the party down here in the southern states is what is giving us these hideous corporate blue dog conservative Democrats. It is how someone like Kim Davis can be on a speaking tour with all her Republican buddies right now, refusing to do her damn job, refusing to follow the laws of the country, and all the while she's getting paid $80,000 a year for NOT doing her job AND she is an ELECTED DEMOCRAT. That's what passes for a Democrat in many areas down here. It's sickening. That is why I wish there was a way to explain the difference between general south bashing and talking about the shit power structure Democrats down here have to put up with. Y'all give us people like THIS as our choice of Democrat to vote for?

In my county in NC, they are some of the most conservative damn Democrats around. They act just like Kim Davis, only there are no cameras and no opposition to the types of things they do. It happens all over. Primaries come around and our choices on the ballot are the same right wing Democrats every single time, period. So, either you vote for them, for your local choices, or leave it blank. They are going to "win" the nomination either way, because they always do, because they are the only ones on the ballot in the primaries. It would be like if every time you went to vote, every single office you were voting for had a single person on the ballot and that person was Kim Davis or another just like her. That is what it is like. It leaves a sickening taste in a person's mouth. I know. I taste it every time I vote for local elections in the primaries. It's a crock of shit.

That is how anti-union candidates are able to get any union support. A corruption of the very definition of what it all means, the point of having unions in the first place. It is like that saying, you can find any poll to support your position on any issue if you look around. Or Bible verses. Jesus was known as the Prince of Peace among many, but he also said he came with a sword in the Bible too. So, that is the kind of twisted logic used. It could be why you don't understand how 3rd wayers can get union support. The logic is just too twisted. It is anti-logic.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
57. That is quite an eye-opening piece of writing. You actually answered my question. Thank you.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:20 AM
Sep 2015

Color me naive. My career trajectory never included a job where I belonged to a union, so most of I know about unions is from studying union history in grad school, here-say from friends who were in a union, movies and a few books here and there. I've always been a Democrat (except for a few brief periods of Green or Independent). I worked on Robert Kennedy's campaign in 2 states in 1968, knowing Kennedys were strong union supporters, and experienced first-hand a strong union organizing presence at the 1999 Seattle WTO protest. That said, I've never belonged to a union per se.

So, as you may imagine, I pretty much assumed a union was, well, a real union, except for the most obvious frauds, like Police "Unions" or notoriously corrupt ones like with Jimmy Hoffa. and so forth.

One of the most illuminating thing about this Primary season is how Bernie's candidacy has exposed a few dark corners of the Democratic Party, this being one of them. The DNC also comes to mind, as we're seeing them dodge and weave to subvert democratic processes within the party to heavily favor their hand-picked "preordained candidate. And, I don't think it's coincidental that it's been that way ever since Bill Clinton was president. Now you're helping me understand about the unions piece too, and why they seem so ineffectual, with some important exceptions I'm sure. But as I've already confessed, i'm largely ignorant about the present composition of unions, how authentic they are, etc. so I'll leave it at that.

Anyway, I sincerely thank you for your very informative post. I live in a Left Coast bubble -- and have most my life -- which definitely has it's upsides, but seeing clearly how the party and the union movement really operate in other parts of the country is not one of them. You've helped me with a blind-spot.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
62. we have to take a very close look at all "democrat" reps
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:56 AM
Dec 2015

we have the same thing happening in the pacific northwest where supposed "democrat" reps are writing legislation to turn over public lands to private corporations for "resource management" - meaning, clearcutting forests and pipelines through sensitive watersheds for importing canadian oil to china. it is beyond disgusting.

and, this is exactly how aarp purports to "serve" retirees. yet they have their hands in the profit pie with a monopoly of medicare 'supplemental insurance' crap, etc. it is a huge phony set up.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
25. Rahm's quote seems ironic
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 04:50 AM
Sep 2015

"This is a book about ideas as much as the people who forged them into a winning strategy, and it should be read, re-read and underlined by anyone who wants to know what it takes to be successful in American politics today. (Rahm Emanuel, Mayor of Chicago and former White House Chief of Staff) "

Prior to the emergence of the DLC/Third Way, we completely dominated Congress and usually the Senate too. The White House came and went between the two parties, but the congress, with few exceptions, was Democratic. And even then, after losing the House, Dean scratched and clawed across all 50 states to win back the House, only to have Rahm take over and lose it with his less Democratic candidates, policies, and strategy.

Their claim to success is exaggerated, and even when they win, most people still lose. The wealthy make out quite well no matter which party wins.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
36. Yep, and don't forget when Dean was chair we took the Senate as well.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:38 AM
Sep 2015

And lost it, too, under DLC policies.

Rahm as DCCC chair would come to Florida and work with our nearly Republican Democratic chair Karen Thurman to keep progressives out of races by intimidation and drying up funds.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
29. "I want to be invisible. I do guerrilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:13 AM
Sep 2015

You don't know it's over until you're in a body bag. You don't know until election night." --Ralph Reed

this happened at the same time as Gingrich and the fundies' full takeover of the GOP--and you KNOW that that had to be coordinated, like the neocon/neolib takeover of everything in the late 70s, from foreign-policy analysis to pharmacists

what that did was make X or Y the framework within which everyone had to operate: everyone argued over how best to deregulate or "deal with" Iraq

they took over both parties by spooking them with their losses, just like the oil shock and stagflation was used to import Pinonomics even under Carter: the boys in the brown suits would save us all, the economy would soar and take everyone with it once the red tape was cut

erronis

(15,328 posts)
43. +1 - great analysis. I like the X or Y frameworks.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:02 PM
Sep 2015

Basically politicians are failed businessmen. They don't like to really think - they like to be given some direction to march. They don't have time (hustling) or mental energy to research. And they believe the drugs in that koolaid - they will get rich if they march in line. Corollary: they will be deep-sixed if they don't stay in rank file.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
30. Thanks, Mad
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:19 AM
Sep 2015

Extremely important to push our understanding of the "leadership" of the Democratic Party...From and his DLC...Third Way...Bullshit stole the Party from progressives...It is becoming harder and harder for the Party "leaders" to put a smiley face on the disaster brought about by Clinton...

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
32. "a bloodless revolution" < Or just not his, or his office mates. Tens of millions in permanent
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:57 AM
Sep 2015

poverty, along with their children and their future, denied opportunity to bolster the profits of the wealthy. Bleeding and dying while the winners enjoy their champagne.

There was no bad taste to get rid of, I suspect.

Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
34. The blood came later...like when the homeowners foamed the runway for the Banksters.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:00 AM
Sep 2015

Neil Barofsky, the former special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, has published a new book, “Bailout: An Inside Account of How Washington Abandoned Main Street While Rescuing Wall Street.” It presents a damning indictment of the Obama administration’s execution of the TARP program generally, and of HAMP in particular.

By delaying millions of foreclosures, HAMP gave bailed-out banks more time to absorb housing-related losses while other parts of Obama’s bailout plan repaired holes in the banks’ balance sheets. According to Barofsky, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner even had a term for it. HAMP borrowers would “foam the runway” for the distressed banks looking for a safe landing. It is nice to know what Geithner really thinks of those Americans who were busy losing their homes in hard times.

CONTINUED w VIDEO and links and more letters...

http://washingtonexaminer.com/video-geithner-sacrificed-homeowners-to-foam-the-runway-for-the-banks/article/2502982

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
50. A LOT of harm was done by such policies.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 06:09 PM
Sep 2015

I remember well when Barack Obama said this venture into globalization would not be a "bloodless process."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017106174

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
35. A lot of tortured rationalization
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:03 AM
Sep 2015

for selling out and cashing in, I'd say.

New Dem strategies are neither good ideology nor particularly "pragmatic" in terms of winning elections.

They just make people wonder why we have two parties in the first place.

Great piece.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
37. Remember when liberals ran the party???
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:04 AM
Sep 2015

Neither do I.

The liberals of old are now the radical left, it seems.

Maybe he thinks liberal is the same thing as labor.

It's obvious he lives in a different world from most of us.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
41. After Nixon's resignation,
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:45 PM
Sep 2015

the rich decided to buy America, and to make sure the American working classes could never challenge them again the way they had for most of the 20th century. The DLC was the final piece of that strategy.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
45. Yup.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:12 PM
Sep 2015

And the Clintons were actively complicit in auctioning off the party to the highest bidders, all for the purpose of lining their own pockets.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
54. Me, too. Pretty hostile.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:46 PM
Sep 2015

I've been through 3 other primaries here, and they were rough. I did my share of arguing.

It's different now. I have never seen candidates accused of everything from racism to anti-semitism, and accused of sprinkling fairy dust. There is pure hatred toward some supporters, like I have never seen.

It's different this time. Either we can overcome party machinery and machinations or we can't.

If we can't, then it means all the racist and hatred stuff worked.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
55. Liberals have never been in charge of shit.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:06 PM
Sep 2015

That is why much of what we end up having to "compromise" with with the right wing of the party IS shit.

I'm sick of right wingers controlling the Democratic Party. Let's face it. Third Wayers are nothing more than damned rotten Republican moles, here to make damn sure we don't have a valid, feasible, workable party.

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