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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:04 AM Sep 2015

These kids were geniuses, they were just too poor for anyone to discover them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/09/22/these-kids-were-geniuses-they-were-just-too-poor-for-anyone-to-discover-them/

All of them were scattered in the suburbs and in the wealthier communities, where parents were more involved in education,” recalls Park, who oversaw the county’s gifted students program. “The map was virtually void in other areas."

Park's map helped convince board members for the school district, which serves over a quarter-million children in and around Fort Lauderdale, that it needed to work much harder at identifying precocious children from all neighborhoods. In 2005, Broward began giving a short test to all students in the second grade. Those who scored well were sent off for further evaluation to determine their aptitude for the system's gifted program.

Now, newly released research by economists David Card, of the University of California at Berkeley, and Laura Giuliano, of the University of Miami, shows that Broward's initiative was, at least in its initial years, a huge success at identifying poor, minority students qualified for gifted programs. Crucially, the process laid bare the surprising — and disturbing — reasons that the school district hadn't been finding these kids in the first place.

"I remember being blown over," said Donna Turner, Broward's coordinator of gifted services, who recently retired. "There were these very highly gifted kids that nobody had ever referred."
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These kids were geniuses, they were just too poor for anyone to discover them. (Original Post) gollygee Sep 2015 OP
Part of the problem is that we really don't value talented people Hydra Sep 2015 #1
In California this testing is illegal if the kid is African American. AngryAmish Sep 2015 #2
This isn't an IQ test gollygee Sep 2015 #3
The aptitude to do adademic work , ie IQ. AngryAmish Sep 2015 #4
No, that isn't an IQ test gollygee Sep 2015 #5
Aptitude is IQ. AngryAmish Sep 2015 #6
This does not apply to gifted testing gollygee Sep 2015 #7

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
1. Part of the problem is that we really don't value talented people
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:09 AM
Sep 2015

We don't live in a meritocracy, and the study proves it by showing that the people it used to highlight came from the upper classes.

If we really value this, we're going to have to change our priorities.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
5. No, that isn't an IQ test
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:30 AM
Sep 2015

Culturally biased IQ tests were found to be used to refer large numbers of African American kids to special education. This test does not determine IQ. It tells if kids have high aptitude without determining IQ, and is not used to refer kids to special ed if they score low, only to the gifted program if they score high.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
6. Aptitude is IQ.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:13 AM
Sep 2015

They may not call it an IQ test, but if it ranks kids from high aptitude to low aptitude, according to how well the children do on a test that measures their ability to figure things out, then that is exactly what an IQ test does.

Lil AA took a test to get into kindergarten at a gifted school. The schools did not call it an IQ test. I looked up the contracting, you know what they gave the kids to get into the gifted school? An IQ test.

IQ tests have not been culturally biased in generations. No longer do they refer to chukkers and valets.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
7. This does not apply to gifted testing
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:32 AM
Sep 2015
http://www.rcselpa.org/common/pages/DisplayFile.aspx?itemId=1497960

This comprehensive statutory prohibition is not limited either by the narrow scope of the permanent injunction in Larry P. or the Crawford decision. It applies to all members of the Larry P. plaintiff class: “all black California school children who have been or may in the future be classified as mentally retarded on the basis of IQ tests.” Judge Peckham, in Crawford, stated that the Larry P. plaintiff class includes black children “who have learning disabilities that may affect their academic performance.” Thus, the statutory prohibition applies to all African-American school children who are already in special education and identified as having leaning disabilities and those who have been referred for assessment and are at risk of being identified as “disabled” on the basis of racially and culturally standardized tests (Zolotar, 1994; cited by CDE, 2012).
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