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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 11:50 AM Sep 2015

Matt Damon says gay actors should stay in the closet

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/28/matt_damon_says_gay_actors_should_stay_in_the_closet_sexuality_is_one_of_the_mysteries_that_you_should_be_able_to_play/

Saying that he and Ben Affleck were dogged by gay rumors when they first “came on the scene,” Damon acknowledges that it is more difficult to be an actor if you are openly gay, using actor Rupert Everett as an example of an actor who “[took] a hit” for his sexuality.

“It’s just like any piece of gossip… and it put us in a weird position of having to answer, you know what I mean? Which was then really deeply offensive,” he explained. “I don’t want to, like [imply] it’s some sort of disease – then it’s like I’m throwing my friends under the bus. But at the time, I remember thinking and saying, Rupert Everett was openly gay and this guy – more handsome than anybody, a classically trained actor – it’s tough to make the argument that he didn’t take a hit for being out.”

In a recent BBC radio interview, Everett suggested that coming out had made it more difficult for him to get leading roles, saying “I would not advise any actor necessarily, if he was really thinking of his career, to come out.”

Yet while many actors and actresses have opted for a “none of your business” approach when it comes to sharing details of their sexuality, Damon’s stance is a potentially harmful one, given how the presence of outspoken LGBT role models continues to be a powerful force for social change. Damon’s advice doesn’t apply equally to straight cisgender actors, after all — a leading man like Damon who casually mentions his wife and four kids in an interview will never face the same career repercussions as a rival who introduces his husband on the red carpet. An actor following in Damon’s footsteps, in fact, stands to gain little career ground by keeping his straight life a secret.
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Matt Damon says gay actors should stay in the closet (Original Post) gollygee Sep 2015 OP
This is ridiculous... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #1
He's saying he thinks people should keep their sexuality a secret when he hasn't kept his a secret gollygee Sep 2015 #2
He's talking about the time when the rumors were swirling... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #8
That's not QUITE what he said.... Adrahil Sep 2015 #45
I agree, and it's totally up to the person to come out or not wordpix Sep 2015 #10
Matt's also referring to his experience... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #18
I'm so disappointed in him of late marym625 Sep 2015 #3
uh, he is not "advocating" for staying in the closet wordpix Sep 2015 #12
not how it reads to me. marym625 Sep 2015 #21
+1 -- It is AUDIENCES who have trouble with openly gay actors, not Matt Damon, GreatGazoo Sep 2015 #35
Did you actually read what he said? The headline is BS clickbait. Frank Cannon Sep 2015 #17
yes, I read both articles, thank you. Did you? marym625 Sep 2015 #23
It's a terrible shame loyalsister Sep 2015 #52
that's what I'm talking about marym625 Sep 2015 #58
Wrong on so many levels. n/t TDale313 Sep 2015 #4
We have this pop culture fixation where entertainment luminaries are expect to sit... Smarmie Doofus Sep 2015 #5
That's a good answer. He could have said he is in no position to make that choice for anyone else. merrily Sep 2015 #9
+100 marym625 Sep 2015 #60
Rupert Everett and Matt Damon said very similar things. merrily Sep 2015 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author BigDemVoter Sep 2015 #7
I'm not surprised. It's the right reply, whether the person questioned is gay or hetero. merrily Sep 2015 #11
+1000^^^^ wordpix Sep 2015 #14
It's possible that whoever wrote the article gollygee Sep 2015 #13
Maybe artislife Sep 2015 #20
Personally, I think it was Everett's plastic surgery that lost him work NV Whino Sep 2015 #15
See also: Matt Damon Whitesplains Diversity to Successful Black Film Director frazzled Sep 2015 #16
Yeah that's what I immediately thought of gollygee Sep 2015 #19
To me that's Humansplainin' Shankapotomus Sep 2015 #32
Well, no one in the filmmaking community agrees with you frazzled Sep 2015 #36
If you know anything about logic, Shankapotomus Sep 2015 #43
I think that the title of this article is a misstatement in a way. hollysmom Sep 2015 #22
It's misleading at best, libel at worst Major Nikon Sep 2015 #61
Hmm well first of all, it isn't libel by a long shot gollygee Sep 2015 #64
Marriage licenses are public records Major Nikon Sep 2015 #65
So then I assume that, before he was married, he never took a date to any gollygee Sep 2015 #67
If he did it didn't have much affect on the gay rumors Major Nikon Sep 2015 #68
Bored internet strikes again Prism Sep 2015 #24
I'm getting kind of sick of this game 6chars Sep 2015 #25
Spot on analysis. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2015 #28
Exactly right n/t Prism Sep 2015 #33
+1 deutsey Sep 2015 #37
Well said! Egnever Sep 2015 #66
Whether or not to come out is a very personal decision LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #26
KamaAina says hetero (?) actors should STFU KamaAina Sep 2015 #27
Brogressive. HughBeaumont Sep 2015 #29
Is Hollywood so homophobic due to the large number of fundamentalist Mormons out West? closeupready Sep 2015 #30
I think it's more of an issue of them having to sell movies to homophobic Mormons el_bryanto Sep 2015 #42
oh, I see. Thanks for the perspective. closeupready Sep 2015 #55
3 words! mikeysnot Sep 2015 #31
Not to quibble, but... Yavin4 Sep 2015 #41
Ummm mikeysnot Sep 2015 #46
Not saying that he does not have a successful career Yavin4 Sep 2015 #48
You forgot your sarcasm tag. mikeysnot Sep 2015 #49
I love the guy and I'm thrilled that coming out has not been a problem for him. But.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #54
People need to read the article before commenting Marrah_G Sep 2015 #34
Yup. Click bait and 180 degrees opposite of what Damon said nt riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #39
Lots of rumors that Superman is hiding his sexuality LittleBlue Sep 2015 #38
As long as it works both ways nichomachus Sep 2015 #40
I hate clickbait bs. romanic Sep 2015 #44
Thats NOT what he said. phleshdef Sep 2015 #47
Does't seem to have hurt Neil Patrick Harris any. And....... WillowTree Sep 2015 #50
This is some unfair framing. In the Guardian Damon is asked if he thinks gay actors have a harder Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #51
Good points! gollygee Sep 2015 #53
If heterosexuals can play homosexuals ... ananda Sep 2015 #56
Interesting how less offensive this is once you read past the misleading headline Bucky Sep 2015 #57
Well, he's two for two this month. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #59
well, as long as you read Salon headlines as what he said, I am sure you will be happy. hollysmom Sep 2015 #62
I read several articles on this yesterday, including the Guardian interview. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #63
I believe Rock Hudson's sexuality was an open secret in Hollywood. ladyVet Sep 2015 #69
 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
1. This is ridiculous...
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 11:54 AM
Sep 2015

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...another article twisting words and reading into them. Yes, Rupert Everett took a hit...you came out during that time you lost jobs, and yes, how do you respond to rumors that weren't true...it's a tricky situation...he's being very honest here and people who write such articles should get real jobs.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. He's saying he thinks people should keep their sexuality a secret when he hasn't kept his a secret
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 11:56 AM
Sep 2015

And yes Rupert Everett took a hit, but that's the case less and less as more actors come out. Neil Patrick Harris is very successful, for instance.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
8. He's talking about the time when the rumors were swirling...
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:01 PM
Sep 2015

About 15 years ago...yes, it has changed, but still someone known as gay is going to disqualify them...and he's not targeting one's sexuality...put in vegan and someone wouldn't get a role in a western mabout a rancher...he's noting how people have preconceived notions about a lot of things about people.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
45. That's not QUITE what he said....
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:59 PM
Sep 2015

lots of twisting going on here.

People are trying to turn his comments into some sort of anti-gay thing. They were not.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
10. I agree, and it's totally up to the person to come out or not
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:04 PM
Sep 2015

There have been rumors for years about certain actors and I see their need to remain in the closet if they want. Women see men differently if they're gay, i.e. "well, I can forget about HIM." As for actors, women tend to "fall in love with" those that appeal. (For me, it was Robert Redford, Tom Hanks and Denzell when we were all younger). Rock Hudson and James Dean would have never had a chance had they come out. It's different today but since women love to "fall in love with" their favorite leading man, it probably is best for the careers of some actors if they keep it in the closet.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
18. Matt's also referring to his experience...
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:12 PM
Sep 2015

And he's rihgt...how do you respond...they weren't gay, do you say that and sound like you're trying to make it sound like it's something to be ashamed of...that's the way some would take it even with a simple denial.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
3. I'm so disappointed in him of late
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 11:57 AM
Sep 2015

He's been such an advocate for so many good things. Now we have him interrupting a black, female producer when discussing diversity and this. Why isn't he pushing for Hollywood to use out actors in straight roles like they do the opposite?

Shameful

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
12. uh, he is not "advocating" for staying in the closet
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:05 PM
Sep 2015

He is just saying he understands why some gay actors do and that it's probably best for their careers if that's their choice.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
21. not how it reads to me.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:31 PM
Sep 2015

Where's the part about how Hollywood needs to start using out actors in straight roles?

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
35. +1 -- It is AUDIENCES who have trouble with openly gay actors, not Matt Damon,
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 01:15 PM
Sep 2015

Same for pro sports. Lots of gay athletes but they hide for their careers.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
17. Did you actually read what he said? The headline is BS clickbait.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:12 PM
Sep 2015

I hardly think Matt Damon is a homophobe. He's as liberal/progressive as they come. His godfather was Howard Zinn, for crying out loud.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
23. yes, I read both articles, thank you. Did you?
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:41 PM
Sep 2015

I love Matt Damon. I never came close to implying he's a homophobe. I am still disappointed in both things I stated. But in the scheme of things, it really is really far down on my list of concerns. Chill.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
52. It's a terrible shame
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 03:30 PM
Sep 2015

I wonder if managing appearance has become the only lens that he uses out of habit or something.

It seems he does not know how to take the experiences of others into account when he talks about the relevance of public perceptions. It is a flawed perspective because his statements sound as if he buys the notion that being gay or being black are naturally negative. It would be nice if he would acknowledge that any disadvantages related to identity are imposed by people in power and see himself as someone who could help make a difference.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
58. that's what I'm talking about
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:06 PM
Sep 2015

I have no doubt he's probably minorities. He just seems a tiny bit clueless here

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
5. We have this pop culture fixation where entertainment luminaries are expect to sit...
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:00 PM
Sep 2015

... for interview after interview and have an opinion and analysis about EVERYTHING.

If I were Matt... I'd let gay actors decide when or if to come out.

They've given it much more thought than he has.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. Rupert Everett and Matt Damon said very similar things.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:00 PM
Sep 2015

If Rupert Everett, who as Damon notes, was a handsome, classically trained actor took a hit in his career, can you imagine someone just trying to break into films?

Sure, it shouldn't be that way, but, apparently, it is; and Damon is talking one actor to another about making a living in the field.

Response to gollygee (Original post)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. I'm not surprised. It's the right reply, whether the person questioned is gay or hetero.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:04 PM
Sep 2015

It's no one's business and it shouldn't matter. Either you can act a gay role AND a straight role or you can't. Acting is what I buy with my ticket, not someone's life.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
20. Maybe
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:21 PM
Sep 2015

He has been under a microscope since his remarks about diversity in film. He is also doing a lot of press for his new movie.

I just scan the gossip headlines on the Huff front page, so I don't really know what was said there, but do understand why he is making the news.

I hope he isn't as dense as the headlines are making him out to be.

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
15. Personally, I think it was Everett's plastic surgery that lost him work
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:09 PM
Sep 2015

He was a lot better looking before.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
16. See also: Matt Damon Whitesplains Diversity to Successful Black Film Director
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:11 PM
Sep 2015
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/15/watch-matt-damon-whitesplain-diversity-to-a-successful-black-film-producer-videotweets/

This caused quite a ruckus back in September, when Damon interrupted a distinguished black director on a panel to tell her that diversity was only necessary in casting (actors), not in the production of a film involving black issues. (!!)

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
32. To me that's Humansplainin'
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 01:05 PM
Sep 2015

A black actor might have came to the same conclusion if asked the same question. Explanations don't necessarily come from a white perspective or black perspective. Some explanations come from asking the question of what would be human suffering or unfairness in a particular case. They may answer wrong, they may answer right but it doesn't necessarily deserve disqualification because of one's color.

It's like saying to someone "you never read this book I read so you need to shut up about this subject."

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
36. Well, no one in the filmmaking community agrees with you
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 01:24 PM
Sep 2015

and Damon had to apologize.

But thanks, anyway. At least you didn't cut someone off in the middle of their post to "explain" their position to them.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
43. If you know anything about logic,
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:55 PM
Sep 2015

and I doubt you do, the appeal to consensus is not proof of validity.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
22. I think that the title of this article is a misstatement in a way.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:34 PM
Sep 2015

personally, I do not need to read celebrity gossip and know about people's private lives, I would say I don't need to know about politician's private lives if they weren't so hypocritical about things.
I think the actors need to not stay in the closet and don't have to say if they are straight or not, Over the years a few actors (include actresses in here as a group term not to offend to be offensive) have refused to say either way and some were straight and some were not. I kind of like that.
Am I the only person who puts their fingers in their ears and goes LALALALALA wen the supposed news talks about Kim Kardashian? I want to know about stuff, not people.
I also find it offensive when people are forced out of the closet (not politicians who vote like super conservative crap) before they are ready, no man or woman is an island and sometimes they have to deal with family and religion and stuff like that, It is not someone else's job to find when to push someone out of the closet, everyone has a right to choose their own moment no matter how good it "would be for the cause".

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
61. It's misleading at best, libel at worst
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:36 PM
Sep 2015

Here's what he actually does say...

“I think it must be really hard for actors to be out publicly,” the actor said. “But in terms of actors, I think you’re a better actor the less people know about you period. And sexuality is a huge part of that. Whether you’re straight or gay, people shouldn’t know anything about your sexuality because that’s one of the mysteries that you should be able to play.”

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
64. Hmm well first of all, it isn't libel by a long shot
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:09 PM
Sep 2015

but then, he says that but also talks about his wife all the time, so he doesn't actually follow it, and if he as a straight person doesn't follow it it seems like a reasonable conclusion that he doesn't actually mean it about straight people.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
65. Marriage licenses are public records
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:19 PM
Sep 2015

So it doesn't seem all that reasonable that he's outing himself by talking about his wife any more than a gay person would be outing themselves by talking about their legal spouse. Furthermore the marital status of Hollywood stars is certainly no impediment to sexuality rumors.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
24. Bored internet strikes again
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:42 PM
Sep 2015

I knew what Damon meant and am not offended by it. He was speaking off the cuff about his experiences of being thought of as gay when him and Afflek hit it big. He was trying to say how it was a balancing act of trying to deny being gay without making it seem like being gay was wrong, especially in an era where being gay was pretty much career suicide (Everett).

Yes, let's eat our allies for no reason. Very productive. (Not you, OP, but this stupid habit we've gotten into where every stray word is an OUTRAGE. Tired of it).

6chars

(3,967 posts)
25. I'm getting kind of sick of this game
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:46 PM
Sep 2015

The article imagines he believes something that he didn't say, attributes that belief to him, and then finds a way to take offense and blames him for holding that belief.

Headline: "Matt Damon says gay actors should stay in the closet"

Reality: Matt Damon says “I think it must be really hard for actors to be out publicly,” the actor said. “But in terms of actors, I think you’re a better actor the less people know about you period. And sexuality is a huge part of that. Whether you’re straight or gay, people shouldn’t know anything about your sexuality because that’s one of the mysteries that you should be able to play.”

Better headline: Matt Damon reflects on sexuality and the acting profession; Salon writer says "I'm in charge here."

A lot of people are doing this these days, not just Salon writers. And it gets tiresome.

LostOne4Ever

(9,290 posts)
26. Whether or not to come out is a very personal decision
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 12:47 PM
Sep 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]And the I believe that the only person qualified to determine that is the individual.

Further, depending what one is keeping to oneself, the experience and results of coming out vary dramatically. Coming out as a homosexual man or woman is a very different experience as coming out as a transgender person which is different from coming out as an asexual which is different from coming out as a member of a minority religion and so on.

There are so many different factors that I don't think it is possible to give a broad statement on coming out in one way or another. One needs to simply assess their own situation and trust their own best judgement on such a decision.[/font]

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
30. Is Hollywood so homophobic due to the large number of fundamentalist Mormons out West?
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 01:02 PM
Sep 2015

We know their church heavily lobbied in favor of California's Proposition 8 (successfully, I might add), so I'm wondering if the film industry gets a lot of covert (or overt) homophobia from the influence of local sources.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
42. I think it's more of an issue of them having to sell movies to homophobic Mormons
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:54 PM
Sep 2015

and homophobic Baptists, and homophobic Catholics and the like. I think also that Hollywood has a tradition of underestimating the American people. Simpsons writers commented that when they were asked to make changes to scripts based on "letters" they would ask to see the letters and it would be like one or two at most. The people who decide what movies to make are often more swayed by a desire to make as much money as possible and a desire not to offend anybody.

Full disclosure - I am a Mormon.

Bryant

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
48. Not saying that he does not have a successful career
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 03:11 PM
Sep 2015

But...he's not being cast as the LEAD actor in a movie or a TV show. He's the host of a variety show or a supporting actor. And, that's what Damon is trying to say in the article. When you come out, it's difficult to be cast as the LEAD actor in a movie or TV show.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
54. I love the guy and I'm thrilled that coming out has not been a problem for him. But....
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 03:56 PM
Sep 2015

he was in the closet for years, though an entire TV series and into the second one, he came out with enough money in the bank to last a lifetime, a hit show with a long term inked contract and unlike other actors on that show he has not gotten leading roles, romantic or comic, in major motion pictures.
Not sure what he disproves.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
38. Lots of rumors that Superman is hiding his sexuality
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 01:37 PM
Sep 2015

Henry Cavill is rumored to be gay. The rumor says he has to be publicly seen with girlfriend looking women.


I can see why he doesn't come out. The studios have decided.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
40. As long as it works both ways
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:23 PM
Sep 2015

As long as straight actors don't reveal their sexual orientation. As long as they don't date people of the opposite sex. As long as they don't appear in public with their spouses. As long as they don't appear in public with or tell us about their children. As long they remain sexless, gender-neutral, drones.

Then, yes. This makes some sort of sense.

Otherwise, it's bullshit.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
44. I hate clickbait bs.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:57 PM
Sep 2015

Damon didn't say that at all.

I honestly feel bad for celebrities sometimes, they're definitely put under a microscope for their opinions and one quote can be taken out of context for the eager internet police to strike.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
50. Does't seem to have hurt Neil Patrick Harris any. And.......
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 03:19 PM
Sep 2015

.......Jodie Foster's orientation has been one of the worst kept secrets in the universe for years and she's doing just fine, as well. I could posit why those two cases have kept pretty seamless careers while not hiding in a closet, but I'd no doubt get stoned to death over it, so I'll just let the fact that they're excellent examples of why hiding isn't necessary speak for itself.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
51. This is some unfair framing. In the Guardian Damon is asked if he thinks gay actors have a harder
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 03:26 PM
Sep 2015

time in Hollywood, his answer is yes. He cites Everett who has lived the subject matter.
The point of his answer was this: Fuck that question. Do you ask your accountant if they are gay? Why are you asking actors?

It is not easy to say to reporters that their questions are the meat of the problem they speak of. Read the original. Also question why this was reconstructed as it was.

ananda

(28,876 posts)
56. If heterosexuals can play homosexuals ...
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 04:20 PM
Sep 2015

... then I have no problem with homosexuals playing
heterosexuals.

All I care about is the .. gasp .. acting.

Derek Jacobi, an openly homosexual man, plays both
very well, for example.

Bucky

(54,053 posts)
57. Interesting how less offensive this is once you read past the misleading headline
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:02 PM
Sep 2015

For the record, he didn't say they "should" stay in the closet.
He gave the advise that, because there is prejudice, they not come out.

I mean, it's still wrong. The only way to fight prejudice is to confront it. But he wasn't saying there's something shameful about being gay, which one could reasonably imply from that red herring of a headline.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
59. Well, he's two for two this month.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:15 PM
Sep 2015

I can't wait to hear his opinions on feminism. It's an amazingly retrograde opinion for someone who has been a liberal for a long time, and in a moment when LGBT actors/actresses have been more outspoken and visible.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
62. well, as long as you read Salon headlines as what he said, I am sure you will be happy.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:02 PM
Sep 2015

heaven help Salon to print what he really said.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
63. I read several articles on this yesterday, including the Guardian interview.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:06 PM
Sep 2015

I'm well-informed, thanks. I'm sure you'll be happy to know I don't care what you think I read.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
69. I believe Rock Hudson's sexuality was an open secret in Hollywood.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:51 AM
Sep 2015

This was in the fifties and sixties. Didn't seem to have hurt his career any. He played the best romantic comedy leads, in my opinion. Especially when paired with Doris Day. They made such an adorable couple! I think "Magnificent Obsession" is one the the best movies ever made.

Of course, in those days he couldn't be out in society in general. He even had a brief marriage (arranged by his publicist, I think) to make him seem "normal".

My personal opinion is that people's private lives are their own. I have no need to know who is gay or straight, religious or atheist, misogynist or not, left or right, liberal or conservative, unless they're using their beliefs to hurt others.

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