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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:57 AM Sep 2015

Assad is the best recruiting tool for ISIS / ISIL...EVER

While many in the West focus on combating the Islamic State's online propaganda, some are overlooking the most effective recruiting tool the group has — atrocities committed by the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

The strategic security firm The Soufan Group notes that the regime's brutal treatment of civilians encourages people both inside and outside Syria to support alternate groups that are fighting for power in the country, including the Islamic State (also known as ISIS, ISIL, or Daesh).

"The [Assad] regime is a terrorism generator of epic proportion, engaging in state terrorism against its own people and inciting terrorism from its opponents," the group writes.

"There is no justifying the actions of a group like the Islamic State or al-Nusra ... but the Assad regime's wholesale slaughter of civilians provides the groups with radicalized supporters far faster than Assad's military can then fight them."

http://www.businessinsider.com/assad-is-the-best-isis-recruiting-tool-2015-8
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Assad is the best recruiting tool for ISIS / ISIL...EVER (Original Post) uhnope Sep 2015 OP
The best recruiting tool for ISIS is Saudi, Qatari, and Gulf petrodollars. leveymg Sep 2015 #1
funding vs recruiting. Or maybe you just aim to shield Assad's new military partner uhnope Sep 2015 #7
You can't recruit if you can't pay talent. Until now, the money's been flowing from KSA/GCC to leveymg Sep 2015 #9
I could care the fuck less about what's going on in Syria bigdarryl Sep 2015 #2
Gotta start catapulting the war propaganda again. marmar Sep 2015 #3
I guess this is becoming the thread for the Putin Explainers to check in and run some interference. uhnope Sep 2015 #4
Yep - and Russia is launching air strikes in Syria as we speak oberliner Sep 2015 #6
Nah, more of a counter to more needless warmongering..... marmar Sep 2015 #13
It's curious how support for Arab Spring protests and revolutions NuclearDem Sep 2015 #15
Bashar al-Assad and the Devil’s Endgame oberliner Sep 2015 #5
This isn't end-game. Today, we're seeing the beginning of the second day of tournament play. leveymg Sep 2015 #8
Do you believe there are any moderates in Syria? oberliner Sep 2015 #10
There have only been the beneficiary exile groups sponsored for years before 2011 by CIA/DOS/DIA leveymg Sep 2015 #12
That is depressing oberliner Sep 2015 #16
Previously, there were millions of Syrians living a normal life. leveymg Sep 2015 #18
When was that? oberliner Sep 2015 #19
From the time of the last Sunni uprising. leveymg Sep 2015 #22
Addad will fall and Putin will have egg on his face uhnope Sep 2015 #11
Eventually, perhaps, but this and the next round probably go to Russia, leveymg Sep 2015 #14
We're pretty much screwed either way on this one. Oneironaut Sep 2015 #17
And that is why I think it is best to let Russia be Russia in Syria. It is all going to backfire on kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #20
ISIS' reason for being there would be gone fadedrose Sep 2015 #21
Liberals used to think that repressive governments created more terrorists than they killed. pampango Sep 2015 #23

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. The best recruiting tool for ISIS is Saudi, Qatari, and Gulf petrodollars.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:05 PM
Sep 2015

ISIS is al-Qaeda. Blame the Saudis and Qataris who fund, arm and organize ISIS, just like they did AQ before it, and do something about that.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
7. funding vs recruiting. Or maybe you just aim to shield Assad's new military partner
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:18 PM
Sep 2015

you know, the one who was a victim of cookies.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
9. You can't recruit if you can't pay talent. Until now, the money's been flowing from KSA/GCC to
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:30 PM
Sep 2015

the Sunni Jihadis, which most of us now call ISIS. Petrodollars are a necessary ingredient for regional war. Assad is just the live bait.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
2. I could care the fuck less about what's going on in Syria
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:08 PM
Sep 2015

Here we go again with the boggy man of the year now it's Assad

marmar

(77,091 posts)
3. Gotta start catapulting the war propaganda again.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:11 PM
Sep 2015

Since the last attempt to drum up an attack on Syria went down in flames.


 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
4. I guess this is becoming the thread for the Putin Explainers to check in and run some interference.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:12 PM
Sep 2015
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. Yep - and Russia is launching air strikes in Syria as we speak
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:14 PM
Sep 2015

MOSCOW — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia suddenly escalated the stakes in his contest with the West over influence in the Middle East on Wednesday, as Russian pilots carried out their first airstrikes in Syria.

Russian warplanes and helicopter gunships dropped bombs north of the central city of Homs hours after Mr. Putin pushed a measure through the upper house of Parliament approving the use of Russian military forces abroad. Russian officials and analysts portrayed the move as an attempt both to fight Islamic State militants and to try to ensure the survival of President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, Moscow’s main ally in the Middle East.

“The only right way to fight international terrorism — and it is gangs of international terrorists that are fighting in Syria and in neighboring countries — is to act preventively, to fight and destroy militants and terrorists on the territories that they already occupied, not wait for them to come to our house,” Mr. Putin said at a meeting of government officials on Wednesday, in remarks broadcast on state television.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/world/europe/russia-airstrikes-syria.html?_r=0

marmar

(77,091 posts)
13. Nah, more of a counter to more needless warmongering.....
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:49 PM
Sep 2015

..... I assume you're ready to suit up and fight if necessary?


 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
15. It's curious how support for Arab Spring protests and revolutions
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:56 PM
Sep 2015

are only applicable to US-backed regimes.

Mubarak, Saleh, Qaddafi, Assad, and the Saudi Royal family all have to go.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Bashar al-Assad and the Devil’s Endgame
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:13 PM
Sep 2015

ISIS is murdering and enslaving across Syria and Iraq. Russia is deploying dozens of aircraft to support the regime in Damascus. Huddled masses have been tempest-tossed into Europe. At the eye of the storm, Bashar al-Assad is pursuing a cynical, brutal, and risky strategy to cling to power.

Assad’s plan, it seems, is to deliberately aid the rise of ISIS—what I call the devil’s gambit. The logic is simple and ruthless: radicalize the opposition so that the Syrian dictator looks like a lesser evil to domestic and foreign audiences. Here, Assad benefits from the inherently polarizing nature of civil war, as a cycle of atrocities and revenge pushes all sides to the extreme. He has further spurred radicalization by focusing the regime’s fire on moderate enemies, while reportedly releasing jihadists from jail and purchasing oil from ISIS. In recent months, the Syrian military allegedly used air strikes to help ISIS advance toward the city of Aleppo. Khaled Khoja, a Syrian opposition leader, claimed that Assad’s fighter jets were acting as “an air force for ISIS.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/assad-syria-devil-endgame-putin-obama/407635/

This article covers similar themes.

The Assad apologists want to pretend the truth is not true.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. This isn't end-game. Today, we're seeing the beginning of the second day of tournament play.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:26 PM
Sep 2015

In the first round of Eliminations which ended yesterday we saw the dispatch of the fictional "moderate" Syrian FSA and some rival Jihadi groups competing with Al-Qaeda/ISIS. Round two, we see semi-quarter final play between Russia and the surviving non-ISIS factions. We know who's going to win that one.

In the end, the region will not be recognizable, and Saudi Arabia -- the ultimate prize in this game -- will be divvied up by the great powers.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
12. There have only been the beneficiary exile groups sponsored for years before 2011 by CIA/DOS/DIA
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:46 PM
Sep 2015

working with the secret services of the UK/France, Italy and Qatar. The leaders of most of those groups that heeded the calls broadcast for simultaneous Days of Rage in Libya and Syria were smart enough to stay safely in London and Paris and Doha.

No, there are no "moderates" left in Syria, just persecutors, spooks and victims on all sides.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. That is depressing
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 01:02 PM
Sep 2015

Are there really no Syrians who just want to live a normal life in a democracy?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
18. Previously, there were millions of Syrians living a normal life.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 01:42 PM
Sep 2015

That was far better than now. They now have neither democracy, and for millions, no longer have the means of life.

The point of the overthrow and dismemberment of Iraq for those who organized it from abroad wasn't democracy. Same with Syria. It was regime change of Shi'ia states (KSA's agenda) and eroding the military capability of all states the Israelis felt threatened by. We went along with both agendas for a while. This has backfired and now it is democracy in the U.S. that is most at risk.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
22. From the time of the last Sunni uprising.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 01:55 PM
Sep 2015

That was 1979-82, I recall. Hama was the center of the rebellion and was obliterated. The Saudis and Muslim Brotherhood led and funded that rebellion, as well. A coup within the Ba'ath Party in 1970 solidified Assad's father's rise and hold on power. It looks like there may be a similar outcome.

This from Islamic Uprisings in Syria Wiki:

Aftermath

Having suppressed all opposition, Hafez al-Assad released some imprisoned members of the Brotherhood in the mid-1990s. After his death in 2000, Assad was succeeded by his son, Bashar al-Assad, who initially signalled greater openness to political debate. In May 2001, encouraged this new political climate, the Muslim Brotherhood published a statement in London rejecting political violence, and calling for a modern, democratic state. Many political prisoners, including Muslim Brothers, were pardoned and released. However, this "Damascus spring" was short-lived; in the same year, the few political freedoms that had been granted were abruptly revoked.[20]

Oneironaut

(5,524 posts)
17. We're pretty much screwed either way on this one.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 01:03 PM
Sep 2015

Try to prop up moderate Rebels? They just defect, die, or desert.

Help Assad? it turns out he sucks too.

I think we need to start thinking defensively when it comes to ISIS. If they get their hands on nuclear weapons, the world is going be a terrible place.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
20. And that is why I think it is best to let Russia be Russia in Syria. It is all going to backfire on
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 01:46 PM
Sep 2015

them just as US troops with boots on the ground in Saudi Arabia invoked the hate of al Queada and brought us 9/11.
History teaches but fools never learn.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
21. ISIS' reason for being there would be gone
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 01:49 PM
Sep 2015

Thanks to Putin if he takes him out.

Maybe it's all arranged. I love mysteries.

I think another goofy thought. Obama may not trust Putin, but Putin trusts Obama and only Obama here in the US...

He's up to something he wants Barack to know about, even if no one else does.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
23. Liberals used to think that repressive governments created more terrorists than they killed.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 05:10 PM
Sep 2015

"New" liberals seem to think just the opposite: repressive dictators are necessary to control and defeat terrorists.

Putin is blind to the ways that al-Assad and his military brutality is prolonging the civil war. Backing his genocidal policies will just perpetuate that war.

... actually during the past two years long periods of time have passed in which the al-Assad regime seldom militarily engaged Daesh, leaving it to prey opportunistically on the other rebel groups. You couldn’t call that valiant.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/09/putin-wrong-syria.html
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