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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm so tired of hearing about the theoretical mental health problems of white criminals
when I've been told that one black person deserved to be killed because he was selling cigarettes, another deserved to be killed because he might have shoplifted earlier, another deserved to be killed because he posted something bothersome on twitter and might have had marijuana once, that people who are "no angels" deserve to die, etc. "People should stop definding him. He was no angel."
Why do I think that every media outlet is going to go on and on about this guy's possible mental health problems? I wonder if he'll ever be called a thug or a monster? And HE actually did something monstrous.
Update: So apparently maybe he is bi-racial? Then what is it about mass murders and worries about their mental health and "how did the system fail this poor guy?" Maybe it's a gun nut thing. Shoplift, deserve to die. Shoot a bunch of people with a gun, you must have been depressed.
Ms. Yertle
(466 posts)Looks like he might be bi-racial.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I heard him described as white. I do not intend to give him too much attention.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)on his dating profile at--get this--Spiritual Passions
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Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)"Conservative, Republican"
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Suggest that a shoplifter or someone selling cigarettes "deserved to be killed."
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)doesn't mean they have only been reading DU for three months.
Did I really need to tell you that?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Is because very few can imagine perpetrating such a horrendous crime unless one was mentally ill.
The fact you think it is some sort of excuse for white people smacks of bigotry to me.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I'm noting a trend of what the news media does.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Would you expect them to start questioning the mental health of random colored people when a white person did the shooting?
Not sure i understand your reasoning at all.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Mass murder is, overwhelmingly, a white male crime.
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Solomon
(12,310 posts)Wow. Took care of that didn't ya. Lol.
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HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)people who have mental disorders and results in punishing discrimination that leads to poverty and homelessness.
"Eighty percent of people with mental illness are unemployed, a statistic that says more about the lack of support for this group of people than it does about the economy, according to a new study." http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/10/high-unemployment-mentally-ill/12186049/
Those numbers rise far above unemployment numbers used to indicate society-wide oppression of racial/ethnic groups.
I too hate the speculative application of mental disorders to perpetrators of crimes regardless of skin color.
melman
(7,681 posts)but this guy was not white.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)"I'm so tired of hearing about the theoretical mental health problems of white criminals"
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)That person is listed as living in LA.
He may have moved but I think people are jumping the gun here. I could be wrong but it doesn't feel right to me.
Also i think that person has responded to NBC news confirming he is alive and well.
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gollygee
(22,336 posts)you might have read the post.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Deleting
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)WestCoastLib
(442 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)and you also didn't read my post.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think that people of any race who commit these sorts of crimes often have mental health problems.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)but I believe you. Thank you. I hope this is changing.
840high
(17,196 posts)mentalsolstice
(4,460 posts)And I'm so tired of anyone getting gunned down whether it's by some random person or police...but the only time it matters lately, on DU, is if the dead person is black, and the shooter was white. Where was your outrage on these two threads, http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7214449 and http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027215811? Or anyone who has BLM or Bravenak avatar? Guess what? People with disabilities are harassed and brutalized by LEOs and others, pretty much at the same rate as black persons. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we all came together and said enough is enough.
As for your argument that we'll hear that this shooter was mentally ill, the fact is mentally ill persons are more likely to be victims of crimes, than perpetrators. The other fact is black people are hardly if ever mass murderers....so let's all work together.
When are we going to all come together and say enough? We need better gun control, and that goes for private citizens and law enforcement. This past year I watched in horror while young black people were gunned down by LEO's....and then it becoming a divisive us v. them issue, thanks to partly to BLM.
Democat
(11,617 posts)The left is a very diverse group (unlike the right wing), so trying to divide liberals over race is an effective strategy.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)The Navy yard shooter, who was black, was also referred to as having mental problems.
The Virginia murderer of the newspeople, who was black, was referred to as having mental problems.
This shooter is not white..
Mental problems will be discussed in any mass shooting. Please.
Maybe you should take "white" out of your OP.
But I doubt you will.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)US mass shootings Table 1Weapon categories
Asian 6
Black 11
Latino 4
Native American 3
Other 2
Unknown 1
White 44
This is a good data base to look at which has other tables to look at
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data
Serial Killers are different than a mass shooter
A serial killer is a person who murders three or more people,[1][2] usually due to abnormal psychological gratification, with the murders taking place over more than a month and including a significant break (a "cooling off period" between them
Ethnicity and serial killer demographics in the U.S.
The racial demographics regarding serial killers are often subject to debate. In the United States, the majority of reported and investigated serial killers are white males, from a lower-to-middle-class background, usually in their late twenties to early thirties.[7][14]
However, there are African American, Asian, and Hispanic (of any race) serial killers as well, and, according to the FBI, based on percentages of the U.S. population, whites are not more likely than other races to be serial killers.[14] Criminal profiler Pat Brown says serial killers are usually reported as white because the media typically focuses on "All-American" white and pretty female victims who were the targets of white male offenders, that crimes among minority offenders in urban communities, where crime rates are higher, are under-investigated, and that minority serial killers likely exist at the same ratios as white serial killers for the population. She believes that the myth that serial killers are always white might have become "truth" in some research fields due to the over-reporting of white serial killers in the media.
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According to some sources, the percentage of serial killers who are African American is estimated to be between 13 and 22 percent.[74][75] Another study has shown that 16 percent of serial killers are African American, what author Maurice Godwin describes as a "sizeable portion"
.[76] A 2014 Radford/FGCU Serial Killer Database annual statistics report showed that for the decades 19002010, the percentage of White serial killers was 52.1% while the percentage of African American serial killers was 40.3%.
[41] Popular racial stereotypes about the lower intelligence of African-Americans, and the stereotype that serial killers are white males, may explain the media focus on serial killers that are white and the failure to adequately report on those that are black.
[21] Similarly, in a 2005 article Anthony Walsh, professor of criminal justice at Boise State University, argued a review of post-WWII serial killings in America finds that the prevalence of African-American serial killers has typically been drastically underestimated in both professional research literature and the mass media.
As a paradigmatic case of this media double-standard, Walsh cites news reporting on white killer Gary Heidnik and African-American killer Harrison Graham. Both men were residents of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; both imprisoned, tortured and killed several women; and both were arrested only months apart in 1987. "Heidnik received widespread national attention, became the subject of books and television shows, and served as a model for the fictitious Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs", writes Walsh, while "Graham received virtually no media attention outside of Philadelphia, despite having been convicted of four more murders than Heidnik"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer#Ethnicity_and_serial_killer_demographics_in_the_U.S.
Please do a little research before making ignorant statements.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)the overall population. Roughly 60% of mass killers are white which comports with their percentage in US society. Ditto for African Americans. Asians seem somewhat over-represented but with only 6 out of 71 it's hard to make a statistical case.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)go ahead......... the OP likes this kind of crap.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)I'm not sure how that can be considered a defense of the OP's race-baiting.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Mass murderers obviously will probably have way deeper issues than shoplifters.