And, with this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026856108
an Albert Einstein quote comes to mind.

How ridiculous

that's barking mad.

days of mass murders and police murders.

Seems people get upset when you call it out for what it is.

I will not hold my tongue.

Hides will not kill me. A gun nutter just might though.

... unless you live in a few specific areas or participate in criminal activities.

being killed by assault by firearm are less then dying from falling according to the National Safety Council.

and turning in your excess guns. 300 million of them are just insane.

Sorry, I choose not to do that.

1 gun=excess guns.

Let the people who die in these mass shootings die? There are several future victims out there. Just let them die as an ordinary hazard like falls?

... it does so only negligibly.

The odds of actually being in one of these events is on par with attacks by bees.

struck by lightning. About 400 people justifiably shoot and kill an assailant and about 250 are struck by lightning.

Therefore.....?

money, buy a gym membership instead and fight off the thing that will actually kill you (cardiovascular disease)

1) Using that logic... Why buy a fire extinguisher? The odds of a home burning down are actually pretty small with modern building codes etc..

The answer is that it doesn't cost you anything, aside from initial purchase, to have it around and when you want it.. You really want it...

2) 400 legit shootings... Assuming that number is true, I suspect that those 400 folks are glad they had the choice and also that doesn't take into account the number of times a weapon is drawn and not fired.

In the end, feel free to do what you like and let everyone make the same choice.

it could be useful for a small cooking fire, but meh. Not going to spend the dough on it. That's what insurance is for.


And yes guns do cost you besides the initial purchase: ammunition and gasoline driving to the range to practice. Unless you think being an unpracticed muppet makes you just as well defended as someone who spends time practicing.

400 legit FATAL shootings yes. Edit: I'm an idiot. 400 justifiable shootings by police officers, 200 (250 if you count knives, fists, and blunt objects) by private citizens. Whether those numbers should be looked at separately or cumulatively is a matter of debate. There are also certainly a number of non-fatal shootings where the assailant was wounded - certainly more than those killed. Of course this is balanced out by the fact that MORE people are killed and wounded by accidents with firearms, let alone suicides and murders.

As for the number of incidents where the weapon is drawn and not fired - go on and use data that can't be falsified - and moreover even if you can show such a case you can't prove that a gun was required to stop the incident, maybe a knife would have sufficed, or maybe just plan old assertiveness would have stopped the incident. Criminals generally don't pick on those WILLING to fight back, even if they're unarmed 100 pound 60 year old ladies. There are plenty of people UNWILLING to fight back that they can pick on. Studies have shown this.

Link to justified fatal shootings:

By private citizens:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl15.xls
By police:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homicide_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls


Criminals picking on easy targets:
http://firearmtrainingstore.com/about-us/blog/how-do-criminals-choose-their-victims/

"Now, let’s talk about what criminals tend to look for. Much like a wild animal, a human predator wants an easy prey, which means they will seek out someone they perceive as weak, submissive, and unlikely to fight back. Because of this, any sign of strength or defiance the criminal perceives when approaching their chosen victim can in many instances be enough to turn around and look for a more suitable victim. In 1984, Betty Grayson and Morris I. Stein conducted a study to determine the selection criteria used by predators. As part of their study, they videotaped over 60 people walking on a busy New York City sidewalk without their knowledge over a three day period. This tape was later played for convicts of violent crimes who identified those they would consider desirable targets. Within seven seconds, the participants made their selections, and shockingly, there was a huge consistency."

in quite some time:

The ones using the "odds" argument are failing to see that.

I searched in vain to find your outrage about PP.
Am I missing something?

Planned parenthood has nothing to do with murder.

This thread is about guns and gun nutters.

Enjoy your stay.

Understandable that the myopic might often conflate self-control with accuracy when rhetorically convenient.

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See the post below

is calling it out for what it is? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027220602

Could you elaborate- "They should be treated thusly."?

how should they be treated?

Yes, I'm a gun owner. I own two, in fact, and I'm thinking about buying one more.

humpers have no perspective. And no understanding of our laws and how they come into being. But, just in case, they better go out and get more fetish tools.

Why not buy another gun on the day after a gun massacre.

Yeeepeeeee Ky yeahhhhhb

but I want it, and I can afford it.

but like any other item like the three vehicles I OWN, I only USE one at a time. epic fail on your part

expand a bit on it. Vice President Joe Biden owns two guns. Since that make him a domestic terrorist in your view what should be done with him?

Don't be obtuse, the solutions are right there in front of us. The fetishists and the cowards that represent them kill any solution in its infancy.

should not jump into conversations mid stream without carefully reading the thread as it can lead some to think you are an idiot. Here is a recap of the thread so far:

1) The person I was referencing said previously (in a 6-1 hidden post) that all gun owners (no qualifiers) are domestic terrorists.

2) I pointed out that the Vice President has 2 guns and by the OP's definition is therefore a domestic terrorist.

3) OP failed to respond.

4) You jump in and respond that what we should do to (domestic terrorist gun owning) Vice President Biden depends on the type of guns h owns.

So, if the VP owns handguns what should we do to Joe Biden?
If he owns hunting rifles what should we do to the Vice President?
If he owns shotguns what should we do to him?

I've got one serial alerter here in this thread---follows me around like a little puppy dog.

Wouldn't you like to know? I thought you'd want to know who the puppy dog is.

Big surprise.

Could be that I am talking about all social media....but some here seem to think I am talking about them.

Like I said--Gun Nuts not being able to keep their gun love quiet for a couple of days after a mass killing---are fucking pigs.

is quite a thing to behold. LMAO.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026856108

I am with you 100% Millions of us are with you

Use this



not this

It's allowed. You and your friends seem to thing you're the DU thought police. You're not.

Why on a progessive site...yeah you know why. Trumad is funny in that he rings the bell and they all come running.

better delete because the alert gang is in high gear.

Ruff...

So to them I say, good luck!

But thanks for the reminder anyway

Well sparky, take your best shot, as I'm quite sure you already have.

And I've no doubt who pushed the button.

Always nice to see what goes on in the background

That was funny as hell, skinner wasn't having any of his bullshit and smacked EM down pretty good.

They are little fucking keyboard cowards.

and it's not a happy devotion.

They have the loves they desire, yet are still such angry and miserable people

They are little fucking keyboard commandos sitting in mommy and daddy's basement, eating Cheetos.

There's an example right here in this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027222398#post59

no matter how much you think there is. Read my post further down thread.

There is NO comparison.