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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTo counter lies of Davis and lawyers, a video has now been released
of the only private meeting Pope Francis did have while in Washington.
With a former student, who is openly gay, and his partner and their family.
The rightwing lost on their little stunt.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/world/europe/pope-francis-kim-davis-meeting.html
The pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis, and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, said in a statement released Friday morning.
On the other hand, Mr. Grassi, a 67-year-old caterer, told The New York Times that he and the pontiff have known each other since the 1960s, when Jorge Mario Bergoglio, as the future pope was then called, taught him literature and psychology at the Colegio de la Inmaculada Concepción, a Jesuit high school in Santa Fe, Argentina.
SNIP
Mr. Grassi said that he had resumed contact with the future pope years later, when he was the archbishop of Buenos Aires. He also visited the pope at the Vatican in September 2013, and later contacted his office to ask for an audience in Washington.
Once I saw how busy and exhausting his schedule was in D.C., I wrote back to him saying perhaps it would be better to meet some other time, Mr. Grassi said. Then he called me on the phone and he told me that he would love to give me a hug in Washington.
Mr. Grassi said that he had been accompanied by his partner of 19 years, Iwan Bagus, as well as four friends, and that the meeting took place at the Vatican Embassy on Sept. 23 a day before Ms. Davis met the pope.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)as he arrived.
It was clumpish receiving line, more or less.
tanyev
(42,553 posts)Now Kim and supporters are getting a papal smackdown.
bulloney
(4,113 posts)And lying about yourself and the Pope is a whopper of a sin to have on your first go-round.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Maybe more
C Moon
(12,213 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)alfredo
(60,071 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)Sorry, couldn't resist!
alfredo
(60,071 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)And many times over the course of their lives.
But it's only public now because of the Kim Davis situation.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Whoda thunk it?
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)spanone
(135,831 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)tblue37
(65,340 posts)lying, they wouldn't get caught out at it in such an embarrassing way.
Just because they do something often, that doesn't mean they do it well.
spanone
(135,831 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)well, they are lawyers
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)Some news sources say Grassi's partner shot the video; several say that Grassi and his partner have both posted the video; according to others, Grassi says it was posted online without his permission
Perhaps Grassi's partner shot it then posted it without asking Grassi?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)said Grassi decided to speak out.
And the Vatican would not have released anything without at least getting everyone's permission.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Next, Republicans not racist because Condi Rice exists! There will be video!
You reap what you sow. You lie down with dogs, you get fleas. He who digs a pit shall fall in it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Liars have no boundaries.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)The deed is done, and it had the desired effect...here on DU we saw the Fuck the pope posts and we will still have them even though the truth is made clear.
The right wing knows just how to manipulate us and their own.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Kim Davis: Against Marriage Equality.
Pope Frank: Against Marriage Equality.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)The friend, Yayo Grassi, is the one who decided to come forward.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)"Can ya help a brother out?"
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)meeting with his friends arranged AND videotaped before he ever knew there would be a "Kim Davis thing."
nice
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Probably didn't think he'd have to use his "secret" Look-I-Have-A-Gay-Friend video so soon, though.
Damn that Kim Davis!!!
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)as recently as 2013.
The Pope has never pretended to be anything other than a normal human being, and human beings all need friends. This is one of his from way back.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)Why the hell is she trotting around free when she is still breaking the law? Will we get the same considerations when we break the laws with which we don't agree?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)OTOH:
Did an Archbishop from Kentucky troll the Pope?
Talk about conservative.
-- Emma Green, The Atlantic, "Why Did Pope Francis Meet With Kim Davis?"
"I was a mile away at the time."
REP
(21,691 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why are people pretending he's not still a raging homophobe who doesn't think lgbt people deserve the same human rights as everyone else?
He and his handlers felt his liberal support evaporating like a snowball in hell, and are giving themselves whiplash with all of the backpedaling.
But everyone in this thread (yes, you) and elsewhere needs to remember this, every time you defend him, every time you sigh in admiration of him, every time you congratulate yourself for being a progressive:
Francis firmly believes, and advocates publicly and vigorously that an entire class of adult beings should be deprived of their full human rights, simply because of who and what they are. No decent, thinking person could hesitate to label that as bigotry.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)Opinions of the pope notwithstanding, anything she or her legal counsel says is likely to be made up nonsense.