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struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:33 PM Oct 2015

Oregon gunman left hate-filled note and struggled with mental issues

Michael Muskal, Marisa Gerber and Richard Winton

The gunman who carried out the deadly attack on Umpqua Community College was described Friday as a “hate-filled” individual, with anti-religion and white supremacist leanings ...

Officials said Friday they had recovered 13 weapons tied to the shooter, Chris Harper Mercer, 26. Six were found at the college, seven were found during a search of his apartment -- and all were legally purchased ...

Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin on Friday refused to use the gunman’s name, saying he did not want to “glorify” the man ...


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-shooting-20151002-story.html

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Oregon gunman left hate-filled note and struggled with mental issues (Original Post) struggle4progress Oct 2015 OP
Mental illnesses? Well, that makes it all right, cuz whaddya gonna do? Regulate guns ownership? valerief Oct 2015 #1
NY created a database to track potentially violent patients report by medical professionals hack89 Oct 2015 #5
White supremacist?? B2G Oct 2015 #2
Reports also say he supported the IRA, yet he kills Christians? Rex Oct 2015 #4
Ditto. Nt B2G Oct 2015 #6
both sides are Christian, so maybe he thought it was more about warring factions than land? bettyellen Oct 2015 #9
True. Rex Oct 2015 #16
I wouldn't be shocked if it was rejection from a gal plus the pope's visit in same week. Apparently bettyellen Oct 2015 #22
I heard his father speaking this morning malaise Oct 2015 #12
I think that he lived in England. Did not mention ethnicity. jwirr Oct 2015 #28
Corrected this last week on another thread malaise Oct 2015 #35
why is a self hater on a suicide mission shocking? bettyellen Oct 2015 #7
+1,000 malaise Oct 2015 #13
people often react in surprising ways when a situation is difficult- siding with the abuser is bettyellen Oct 2015 #14
I heard a reporter on the radio say that he left his parents home 4 years ago Raine1967 Oct 2015 #8
I don't know what those terms mean objectively. I know he said he was "mixed race" struggle4progress Oct 2015 #10
I think the most important statement in your post is that jwirr Oct 2015 #29
And a self described 'conservative republican' Abouttime Oct 2015 #17
"Mental illness" is the "All lives matter" of gun control frizzled Oct 2015 #3
Yep, it makes things all better in the gun fetishists' minds. hunter Oct 2015 #24
My own take is that you probably shouldn't have a gun, period. frizzled Oct 2015 #32
I won't go that far. I have dogs. I don't insist they eat a vegetarian diet. hunter Oct 2015 #33
I don't have anything against serious hunters owning (bolt action, small mag) rifles frizzled Oct 2015 #34
Evil exists shadowrider Oct 2015 #11
Said it better than I ever could. romanic Oct 2015 #15
That would be Raygun.. pipoman Oct 2015 #20
Yes. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #18
Can you tell me, where, exactly, I said lock up anyone with mental illness shadowrider Oct 2015 #23
Killing people, even in your imagination, is evil. hunter Oct 2015 #26
Quite a bizarre story goldent Oct 2015 #19
Shocker... pipoman Oct 2015 #21
What did the note say? B2G Oct 2015 #25
AFAIK it has not been released struggle4progress Oct 2015 #30
Why not release it? B2G Oct 2015 #31
Apparently we can't discuss that. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #37
He was 26, an adult, yet Jindal says the father should apologize. randome Oct 2015 #27
His mother is African American and he's a flamingdem Oct 2015 #36

valerief

(53,235 posts)
1. Mental illnesses? Well, that makes it all right, cuz whaddya gonna do? Regulate guns ownership?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:45 PM
Oct 2015

That's like telling Congress there's no god. Or Easter bunny. Or self-serving billionaire with a bucket full of bribe money.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
5. NY created a database to track potentially violent patients report by medical professionals
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:55 PM
Oct 2015

They decided to focus on the people most likely to commit mass murder.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
4. Reports also say he supported the IRA, yet he kills Christians?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:53 PM
Oct 2015

Something is not adding up imo.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
22. I wouldn't be shocked if it was rejection from a gal plus the pope's visit in same week. Apparently
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:17 AM
Oct 2015

his neighbors said that he was very very bothered by routine neighborly noises and smells and had his mom complain often on his behalf.

malaise

(268,998 posts)
12. I heard his father speaking this morning
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 08:24 PM
Oct 2015

and he sounded Irish although there was a link saying the father was English

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
7. why is a self hater on a suicide mission shocking?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:14 PM
Oct 2015

that is often how it works. it could be a lot to do with fucked up brain chemistry, his parents marriage and breakup bringing out complicated feelings.
sad his mom took him to the shooting range, knowing he had both emotional problems and huge social ones. she is lucky to be alive.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
14. people often react in surprising ways when a situation is difficult- siding with the abuser is
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 10:39 PM
Oct 2015

super common. Siding with whoever "comes out on top" - which would more often be the white person, would also happen.

Not saying his Dad was abusive, just saying it's really not as simple as look at him and WE decide how he should "identify" or why, really- if that makes sense.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
8. I heard a reporter on the radio say that he left his parents home 4 years ago
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:14 PM
Oct 2015

and moved to Oregon.

As to the rest — I don't know.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
10. I don't know what those terms mean objectively. I know he said he was "mixed race"
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:25 PM
Oct 2015

and that he apparently had some interest in nazi Germany. I haven't found any information at all on the question of whether his mother considers herself "black" but I really can't see how it would matter

Whether or not he called himself "mixed race," whether or not his mother called herself "black," whether or not his skin hue closely resembled mine -- none of that really has much bearing on the possibility that he had some crazy hateful ideas that he put into action

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
29. I think the most important statement in your post is that
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:54 AM
Oct 2015

he was a hater. And more than likely he listened to the hate media - especially if he was interested in Nazi Germany.

My family has a multitude of different racial backgrounds and children can have difficulty with racial identity as they grow up. Especially if a parent pushes them to "be like me".
When our little ones were little I talked to them about it and told them to learn and take the best things out of the ideas of both parents. Freedom of choice is really important in building your own self concept.

hunter

(38,312 posts)
24. Yep, it makes things all better in the gun fetishists' minds.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:28 AM
Oct 2015

My own take is that if you ever have daydreams about killing people with a gun, even imaginary "bad" guys in self defense, you probably shouldn't have a gun. Maybe you should just stick with video games.

U.S. gun culture is marvelously accepting and supportive of angry young men and sociopathic idiots, sometimes even after they've killed people. Just look at most any shot-by-the-cops-story. Or worse, fuckwits like George Zimmerman.

hunter

(38,312 posts)
33. I won't go that far. I have dogs. I don't insist they eat a vegetarian diet.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:39 PM
Oct 2015

If I accept that dogs can eat animal protein, I'm in no position to complain about hunting.

Hunting with respect for both one's prey and the natural environment are much more ethical than "factory farm" meat and dairy products.

I don't believe "self defense" is a valid reason to own a gun. I don't think most cops are actually qualified to carry guns, let alone civilians.

 

frizzled

(509 posts)
34. I don't have anything against serious hunters owning (bolt action, small mag) rifles
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:03 PM
Oct 2015

And I'm about as anti-gun as it's possible to get.

These are also a tiny proportion of all guns, so my contention that almost nobody should have a gun stands.

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
11. Evil exists
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 08:22 PM
Oct 2015

You can't legislate it away, you can't confiscate it away, you can't wish it away. Some people are born to be bad. You can't change that.

The answer is to address mental illness. You'll notice, in almost all cases, friends and family said something "was wrong", but they took no action to short circuit the action that resulted in lives lost.

The problem is, addressing mental illness opens a whole new can of worms.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
15. Said it better than I ever could.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 10:41 PM
Oct 2015

I put the blame on whoever decided to close all of those mental hospitals back in the day.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
18. Yes.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 12:59 AM
Oct 2015

Let's hunt down and lock up anyone with "mental illness". That way we can prevent mass shootings without infringing on personal liberties.

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
23. Can you tell me, where, exactly, I said lock up anyone with mental illness
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:25 AM
Oct 2015

besides I didn't? I said family and friends notice something is wrong and take no action.

hunter

(38,312 posts)
26. Killing people, even in your imagination, is evil.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:42 AM
Oct 2015

Maybe I'm too Christian, in a Jimmy Carter sort of way. Lusting after your neighbor's wife is just about as bad as sleeping with her. Imagining yourself shooting someone is just about as bad as actually shooting them. Either way you get a big red "Fail" in the great big permanent record of your life they keep at the gates of heaven.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
19. Quite a bizarre story
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:02 AM
Oct 2015
Boylan, who had started attending the college only this week, was shot in the back, her grandmother Janet Willis said in an interview. A girl standing next to her was shot too, Willis said.

"They just laid on the ground and pretended they were dead," Willis said.

As Boylan lay there, she heard the gunman ask others in the classroom to rise and state their religion, she told her grandmother. "If they said they were Christians, they were shot again," Willis said.

A law enforcement official, who was not authorized to discuss the investigation publicly, confirmed that the gunman asked students about their religion during the shootings.


I am happy that law enforcement are not using the gunman's name (it will be known for the record), and is encouraging others to do the same. I don't care to know his name.
 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
25. What did the note say?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:32 AM
Oct 2015

The other day, there were reports that he gave one of the spared students a flash drive to give to police. No word on content. Now reports of a note. No word on content.

I'd like a few answers, personally.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
30. AFAIK it has not been released
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:03 PM
Oct 2015

... two officials familiar with the multi-page note in question had confirmed Mercer was, in his own words, "in a bad way." "[He] felt the world was against him," said one of the officers, in a comment to the news outlet. "<He said he would be> welcomed in Hell and embraced by the devil ... he was depressed, sullen." Mercer, who was killed during Thursday's ensuing firefight with law enforcement, also complained that he had felt lonely and had never had a girlfriend. "He felt the world was against him," added another officer ...
What Does Chris Harper Mercer's Note Say? The Umpqua Shooter Claimed That "The World Was Against Him"
MELANIE SCHMITZ
10 days ago NEWS

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
37. Apparently we can't discuss that.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:31 PM
Oct 2015

Because knowing the name and motivations of one mass shooter apparently is the key factor behind future mass shootings. Not lax gun laws, but that.

Yeah.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
27. He was 26, an adult, yet Jindal says the father should apologize.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:44 AM
Oct 2015

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