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Omaha Steve

(99,630 posts)
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:37 PM Oct 2015

Scientist Takes First-Ever Photo of Rare Bird, Then Kills It in the Name of Science (link added)





http://www.takepart.com/article/2015/10/09/first-photo-bird-killed-science


Conservationists debate whether the death of a rare moustached kingfisher is worth the knowledge gained from studying its body.



Moustached kingfisher. (Photo: American Museum of Natural History/Twitter)
OCT 9, 2015 Taylor Hill is an associate editor at TakePart covering environment and wildlife.

When Chris Filardi, director of Pacific Programs at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, was finally holding the elusive Guadalcanal moustached kingfisher, he told Slate writer Rachel Gross, it was like finding a unicorn.

Filardi had been searching for the orange, white, and brilliant-blue bird for more than 20 years, when on a field study in the high forests of Guadalcanal in the Solomon Islands, he finally heard the “ko-ko-ko-ko-kiew” sound of what he described as the unmistakable call of a large kingfisher.

After days of tracking, he and his colleagues captured a male moustached kingfisher in a mist net.

“When I came upon the netted bird in the cool shadowy light of the forest I gasped aloud, ‘Oh my god, the kingfisher,’ one of the most poorly known birds in the world was there, in front of me, like a creature of myth come to life.” Filardi wrote in a Sept. 23 blog post.

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Scientist Takes First-Ever Photo of Rare Bird, Then Kills It in the Name of Science (link added) (Original Post) Omaha Steve Oct 2015 OP
I guess it depends on what they find by autopsy. yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #1
How did it taste? jberryhill Oct 2015 #2
Not much meat. Breast was pretty dry. COLGATE4 Oct 2015 #8
(sigh) OnyxCollie Oct 2015 #3
x 2 Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #9
Hi OS, I can't find a link to the article...nt GReedDiamond Oct 2015 #4
Thanks Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #7
Ugh. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #5
I wonder if this is common among research biologists. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #6
For decades, a "type" specimen was required to name a new species. HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #11
Hope the scientist dreams of what it would be like to be in someone's specimen jar. Octafish Oct 2015 #10
What the scientists learned Generic Other Oct 2015 #12
This is how ScienceINC works. CanSocDem Oct 2015 #13
It's how you get grants. Octafish Oct 2015 #14
I nominate him for the dumbass of the year award. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #15
screw him restorefreedom Oct 2015 #16
Unnecessary... joeybee12 Oct 2015 #17
That is just obscene DFW Oct 2015 #18

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. For decades, a "type" specimen was required to name a new species.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:55 AM
Oct 2015

That was to prevent imaginary animals from inclusion in scientific work.

It was also common for zoologists to "collect" specimens to build 'museums' of study skins and skeletal remains for further research.

There are now photographic work-arounds to the type specimen for animals considered rare and endangered. And a bit of blood can provide DNA which when cloned can give a biologists working material for many types of systematic/evolutionary and biochemical studies.

Animals are mortal and often belong to populations with large rates of natural turnover. There is an argument that for most populations collecting specimens results in deaths that are compensatory within ecosystems where predation and disease act in density-dependent ways--increasing rates when populations increase, and decreasing rates of predation and disease when populations decrease. So losses from collecting are argued to have little impact because they reduce these other population pressures. Obviously, when dealing with something very rare, in a small population, where every member is critical to species survival, that is likely not true.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. Hope the scientist dreams of what it would be like to be in someone's specimen jar.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:35 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Sat Oct 10, 2015, 09:08 AM - Edit history (1)

Barney Hill thought of the rabbits he'd hunt as a kid on that night in New Hampshire.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
13. This is how ScienceINC works.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 09:09 AM
Oct 2015

They may not know the essence of the life-force, but they damn well know how to turn it off. And, in the plastic

superficial world of free market consumerism, that is enough.


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restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
16. screw him
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:03 PM
Oct 2015

they could have banded the bird and learned a lot more

if you're a biologist, you kill living creatures. its what you do.(borrowed from gieco)

one of the reasons i got out of the biz and got more involved with computers and info management. too much damn killing. and they don't learn a damn thing. except how to squeeze more grant money out of suckers. one of the biggest rackets going.

rip, beautiful bird

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