Its science. It like saying the earth is round is liberal.

some scientists don't believe that...

is taking it serious.

"Acknowledging Climate Change ‘Doesn’t Make You Liberal, it Makes You Not Quite So Stupid."

Literate is a word the illiterate don't understand.

conserving the fugging planet??

The nutters are not conservatives - they are corporate tools who hate regulations and have one aim - enriching themselves or those for whom they work.

you're right. The corporate hacks are probably decent enough people as individuals, but either they have been propagandized successfully by huge, throbbing propaganda organs like Fox 'news,' and/or they are willing victims of corporate 'group think.'

Take big oil for instance. Jobs in oil extraction and production tend to pay really well and have good benefits. Lots of people are overextended, don't have much savings and live in fear of losing their job - a fear upon which corporate propaganda has masterfully played. So, even though they know...I mean, it's obvious, right?...the we're causing climate change, at the voting booth and socially, they follow the party line.

until mom and dads or grandma's house floods and they have no flood insurance - no one should think short term when it comes to climate change. Sadly many do.

fools, or because they don't want to have to change anything about how they live, and they are still brain washed, ignorant fools!

Long time no see

but I am always awake all night

That's very rare for me.

I'm not even sure what to call them anymore. Not conservative, not republican. Just, as you say, nuts.

They don't believe in facts.

Once you believe in a fact you have found the centrist position. How to deal with the fact is where one finds right/left divides.

If one refuses to address reality, one can't claim to live in it.

because facts are not on their side of a single issue. They are ignorant and proud.

They listen to Faux Snooze and follow the lead of the 1%er cheerleaders, even though it does nothing for them personally and actually hurts them and their children's health. The low information voter is the scourge of the south and has expanded to all parts of the nation to greater (AZ) and lesser (CA) degrees. Lots of these are also fundamentalists and vote with the Repugs, regardless of their merits, because "christianity".

People are asked to 'believe in' God because there is no evidence he exists. There is evidence to 'believe in' global warming, and there is (much, much less) evidence to believe in 'man made global warming'. Of course, both sides have wonky infographics and neither side has any ironclad proof. Both sides have members who have been caught falsifying data for political reasons.

IOW, it's every bit as much a leap of faith as anything else. There is no science in the US worth listening to anymore, and the fact that almost every piece of 'new science' just coincidentally matches what the power that be are looking for makes me doubly reticent to trust them.

Your mileage may vary.

as much as they believe in the gods.

Got any examples of this on the anthropogenic climate change "side" that haven't been thoroughly debunked? Not unlike the deceptively-edited videos the righties produce on a regular basis?

"Neither side as any ironclad proof"--I have to wonder what your definition of proof is. There is a mountain of evidence, there are accurate measurements of atmospheric CO2 going back millennia, there are climate models that keep proving out (except they are not extreme enough--lots of feedback loops and the like keep turning up), there is the VERY well-understood greenhouse gas effect, etc etc etc. Not that I have any respect for much of the "science" that is tossed around today--too many corporate servants out there--but if climate scientists in particular wanted to cash in on the money train, they wouldn't have far to look for sponsors.

Please make of this what you will:

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And, more to the point, in what way was any of that incorrect?

And no, Both Sides Don't Do It: one side denies, and the other side kicks the can down the road.

especially considering the developing science. My original question was whether climate scientists had ever been found falsifying data, and, unlike the deniers, they haven't.

and kept/keep a straight face at the same time.

As far as the falsehoods come from oil companies, coal companies, electric generation companies (I.e. energy) and the media perpetuating the misinformation collecting ad revenue from this group. Follow the money!!!

As stated earlier, the message is corrupted on purpose.

No, nein, nyet, ne, nie, etc.

I always suspected the CEOs at Exxon for the last forty years were all illiterate. Apparently, none of them could read their own research department's paper on climate change.

Unless we come up with a spectacular solution to reverse the damage, we're fucked.

Everyone knows that reading (apart from maybe half a dozen carefully selected bible verses) turns you into one of those pointy-headed intellectuals. Dumb 'n' proud, YEEEEHAW!

global warming since the 1970's and hid it.

I'm sure he'll be ignored