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Tab

(11,093 posts)
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 07:36 PM Oct 2015

2-year old shoots Grandma in the back


Shortly after 1 p.m. Sunday, Rock Hill Police were dispatched to a gunshot victim at 1159 Stanley Dr. When officers arrived, they found a woman sitting in an orange Chevrolet Camaro who had taken one shot to her back.

Police say that a .357 revolver was left in a pouch in the back of the front passenger seat of the car, and the 2-year-old boy was able to find it. The driver of the car, who is the boy's great aunt, told police that they were coming through the intersection of Ogden Road and Heckle Boulevard when she heard the gun go off, and she saw the 2-year-old with the gun in both hands.

http://www.abc10.com/story/news/crime/2015/10/12/rock-hill-4-year-old-shoots-grandmother-with-revolver/73813300/

This is just getting ridiculous. There's no end to it.
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2-year old shoots Grandma in the back (Original Post) Tab Oct 2015 OP
As noted by a commenter elsewhere, it was warranted under the Sand Castle Doctrine. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #1
Ah Stryder Oct 2015 #16
You have to. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #33
Probably gang violence in an urban area. onehandle Oct 2015 #2
What a great place to keep a gun! SheilaT Oct 2015 #3
I think these stories have always happened. We are just hearing them now yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #29
Yes, they've been happening forever. SheilaT Oct 2015 #34
Actually, the per capita gun count is on the rise in America Bucky Oct 2015 #44
Remember that if the grandmother also had a gun she could have defended herself and shot him Person 2713 Oct 2015 #4
Actually she had a gun NV Whino Oct 2015 #5
She was the passenger. Her sister, his great aunt ,owned the gun the kid grabbed.Grandma needed Person 2713 Oct 2015 #7
Oh damn, my bad NV Whino Oct 2015 #8
Yup. The only thing that stops a 2 year old with a gun is a grandma with a gun. (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2015 #13
Wow. We've only hear a variation of this pithy response 54,926,218 times. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #22
When gun-advocates take gun violence seriously, the pithy response will stop Orrex Oct 2015 #32
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. The fact the RKBA supporting Dems are opposed to worthless, feel-good pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #49
Nope, that's not it. Three things: Orrex Oct 2015 #50
Strawmen Are Us pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #52
Boring. Orrex Oct 2015 #53
!! Bucky Oct 2015 #45
LOL! rehashing lines years over their expiration date is "playing well"? pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #48
See #22. You're truly impressive! NT pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #23
Muy impresionante! Person 2713 Oct 2015 #43
OMG... Punkingal Oct 2015 #6
Rock Hill, SC..... llmart Oct 2015 #9
The medical costs of these incidents -- wonder if it is an insurance driver lostnfound Oct 2015 #10
There oughta be a law gratuitous Oct 2015 #11
pssh, didn't she practice for this situation? MisterP Oct 2015 #12
So I'm guessing the kid was also not in a car seat? Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #14
There are too many situations like this. Jchall2000 Oct 2015 #15
I'm not sure if many here are interested in "is she alright?" Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #39
First, that Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #17
I don't know, but it must be a frightfully common "modification" Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #31
Should be some jail time for the gun owner. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #18
pew pew alcibiades_mystery Oct 2015 #19
You have to suspect tha any 40 year old with a 4 year old grandchild . . . starroute Oct 2015 #20
That's along the lines of what I was thinking. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #25
Idiocracy was a documentary. Whiskeytide Oct 2015 #51
"This is just getting ridiculous. There's no end to it." pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #21
Some sort of legal sanction for negligent discharge of an unsecured weapon? Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #30
We do nothing to encourage safety Tab Oct 2015 #35
Yes! We cannot blame the item that caused all the problems! No no! Rex Oct 2015 #47
To be tried as an adult... Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #24
They should have charged him gwheezie Oct 2015 #26
America's Isis stone space Oct 2015 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Oct 2015 #28
Well, at least she didn't get run over by a reindeer. KamaAina Oct 2015 #36
The original article said the kid was 4 years old... lame54 Oct 2015 #37
Is the kid just 2 or almost three, should the child seat be rear facing, was he buckled in? snooper2 Oct 2015 #38
BFD, stupid irresponsible people are going to do stupid things and suffer the consequences YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #40
I think the sentiment that two innocent lives LanternWaste Oct 2015 #41
Actually I don't care at all if the gunners want to take each other out fine by me YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #42
A responsible gun owner...er...wait... Rex Oct 2015 #46
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. What a great place to keep a gun!
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 07:43 PM
Oct 2015

No kid's every going to find it there.

I do hope the woman who was shot is perfectly okay with her injury, because after all, the gun is more important than she is.

Anyone who thinks I'm serious need to see all the times I've posted I'm in favor of complete confiscation of guns.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
29. I think these stories have always happened. We are just hearing them now
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:35 AM
Oct 2015

In fact a very small percentage of Americans will hear this. If not posted, we may not have been aware of it.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
34. Yes, they've been happening forever.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 10:18 AM
Oct 2015

Every single day several dozen people die from guns. Lots of suicides, alas, but plenty of "accidents", as this incident would be classified, and 30 or more outright murder by gun. Every single day.

I wish each and every gun death (other than perhaps the suicides) would be front page news for 24 hours, and would lead off the nightly news broadcasts. There are so many that a lot of other news would be not reported, but maybe people would eventually catch on to just how devastating the toll is.

Oh. And print actual photos of what people look like after they're shot.

And the deaths are just the tip of the iceberg. Although in this case the woman was merely wounded, which happens to a couple hundred people a day.

Bucky

(54,035 posts)
44. Actually, the per capita gun count is on the rise in America
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:03 PM
Oct 2015

Even tho fewer and fewer Americans own guns, the number guns owned by Americans is going up... meaning that those who do have guns are more likely to have overspill problems, leading to more guns lying around the homes (and I guess cars) of those fewer Americans who still do own guns. Statistically, the rise in ironic gunshot incidents makes a lot of sense.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
7. She was the passenger. Her sister, his great aunt ,owned the gun the kid grabbed.Grandma needed
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:03 PM
Oct 2015

her own gun to be safe. Hopefully she has learned that lesson now the hard way!

Orrex

(63,217 posts)
32. When gun-advocates take gun violence seriously, the pithy response will stop
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 07:59 AM
Oct 2015

I don't expect it to happen any time in the foreseeable future.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
49. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. The fact the RKBA supporting Dems are opposed to worthless, feel-good
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:19 AM
Oct 2015

legislation means that we don't take violence seriously. (Say the Dems who can't even accurately describe what an "assault weapon" is and how it functions!)

Orrex

(63,217 posts)
50. Nope, that's not it. Three things:
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 05:44 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Wed Oct 14, 2015, 08:03 AM - Edit history (1)

1. The fact that gun-advocate Dems offer no sensible response to gun violence, other than to pretend that CCL civilians routinely stop mass shooting, shows that they don't take gun violence seriously. Further, they dismiss ANY proposed legislation that they imagine might infringe upon their gun-hoarding. In addition, they value their own imagined privacy more highly than the lives of innocent people slaughtered in the name of Gun Freedom. This likewise shows that they don't take gun violence seriously.

2, "Usless feel-good legislation" is an NRA talking point, routinely parroted by gun-advocating Dems who offer no real legislative alternatives and who clearly wish only to scold about the petty minutiae of technical specifications, thereby showing that they don't take gun violence seriously.

3. If you ask three gun-advocating Dems to define "assault weapon" in their own terms, you'll get four different answers that are only semi-compatible. All while scolding other Dems for, in their view, getting it wrong. This additionally shows that they don't take gun violence seriously.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
52. Strawmen Are Us
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 03:10 AM
Oct 2015
The fact that gun-advocate Dems offer no sensible response to gun violence, other than to pretend that CCL civilians routinely stop mass shooting, shows that they don't take gun violence seriously.

This is just a bald-faced lie. Provide ONE link to back up this assertion that we claim that concealed carry permit holders routinely stop mass shootings. To a man/woman -- the RKBA supporting Dems on DU state that if they carry, it's to protect themselves only, and they have NO ideas of grandeur w/regard to "saving the day" during criminal confrontations.

Slaughtered........hoarding. The fact that you have to resort to emotionally charged language demonstrates that you don't take honest debate seriously.

"Usless feel-good legislation" is an NRA talking point.....

Of course, anything you can't honestly rebut is dismissed as an "NRA talking point". You're not the slightest bit embarrassed by the obvious No True Scotsman fallacy.

.......who clearly wish only to scold about the petty minutiae of technical specifications, thereby showing that they don't take gun violence seriously.

Uh huh. Objecting to the fact that The Controllers lie by referring to semi-automatic rifles as fully automatic is "petty minutia".
This is a great example of why Controllers (aka Kids Who Cried Wolf) have no credibility, and have no hope of implementing their unstudied agenda.

Orrex

(63,217 posts)
53. Boring.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 07:49 AM
Oct 2015

Let's set some ground rules. If you're going to use "The Controllers" to refer to people who hope to reduce the number of gun deaths, can I refer to gun-advocates as "The Zealots?"

In any case, I've had this discussion with The Zealots many times over, and I know what you're going to say even better than you do. Therefore I have no interest in pursuing it, since the likelihood that you will offer something new or interesting is pretty close to zero.


Let me know about that "Zealot" thing.

llmart

(15,542 posts)
9. Rock Hill, SC.....
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:34 PM
Oct 2015

pure redneck, gun toting country. Even Grandma needs a gun while she chews her tabackky.

I kid you not - I've been through there many times.

lostnfound

(16,187 posts)
10. The medical costs of these incidents -- wonder if it is an insurance driver
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:44 PM
Oct 2015

As in, does having a gun in the house make people on average more likely to have exorbitant medical costs in the family?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. There oughta be a law
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:52 PM
Oct 2015

Your gun finds its way into a 2-year-old's hands and it goes off, you get charged with a felony for negligent gun ownership. Same goes for the inattentive morons who "forgot" they left their shootin' arn in their carry-on luggage.

Six months in the Graybar Hotel and a $5,000 fine might make some gun owners a little more responsible.

Jchall2000

(30 posts)
15. There are too many situations like this.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:10 PM
Oct 2015

The poor boy'll have to grow up knowing he put a big bullet in his dear ole' Grandma, hopefully she'll recover from the gunshot. On the bright side, Paramedics were immediately on scene. The gun is in safe hands and on its way to the hospital for immediate treatment.
But seriously, does anyone know if the Grandma is alright?

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
17. First, that
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:49 PM
Oct 2015

gun should not have been in the pouch in the car. Second, what kind of trigger pull was modified so that a two year old could activate it? The kid may have used his thumbs.

Crunchy Frog

(26,590 posts)
31. I don't know, but it must be a frightfully common "modification"
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:40 AM
Oct 2015

as these stories of toddlers shooting guns are in the news on an almost weekly basis.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
20. You have to suspect tha any 40 year old with a 4 year old grandchild . . .
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:00 AM
Oct 2015

. . . comes from a long family tradition of making hasty decisions.

LuvNewcastle

(16,847 posts)
25. That's along the lines of what I was thinking.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:49 AM
Oct 2015

I'm 46, and I know a lot of grandparents who are younger than me. Scary.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
21. "This is just getting ridiculous. There's no end to it."
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:28 AM
Oct 2015

Right. There never will be an end to stupid people who practice unsafe storage. What's you solution? Do you have one?

Oh, right. Blame the gun. Because it's soooooo easy to legislate away stupid, crazy and evil.

Crunchy Frog

(26,590 posts)
30. Some sort of legal sanction for negligent discharge of an unsecured weapon?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:37 AM
Oct 2015

Naaaa! That would be crazy.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
35. We do nothing to encourage safety
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:12 PM
Oct 2015

So, yes, we could do stuff. If the gun wasn't there, this wouldn't have happened. Why should you expect safe storage from the owner? They weren't asked to take a course, pass a test to get a license, or anything.

There will always be people who do stupid things with cars, but we at least try to train them and require licensing and some skill before being allowed to drive them. I don't see why it's such a stretch to do this with guns.

Under your philosophy you could say, "people will always violate traffic laws, so why bother having driver's licenses?".

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
47. Yes! We cannot blame the item that caused all the problems! No no!
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 07:54 PM
Oct 2015

Blame the child, grandmaw, car, traffic light...anything but the actual cause of the problem! Sometime you folks are so funny, it hurts to laugh this hard!

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
26. They should have charged him
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:05 AM
Oct 2015

I'm sad they allowed him to get off that one shot. Surely there were enough of them to get together instead of just sitting there waiting to be shot.

Response to Tab (Original post)

lame54

(35,297 posts)
37. The original article said the kid was 4 years old...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:17 PM
Oct 2015

good thing they corrected it - the kid may have been charged as an adult

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
38. Is the kid just 2 or almost three, should the child seat be rear facing, was he buckled in?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:21 PM
Oct 2015

Even in a Camaro though we don't know the year, 2 year old with stubby arms should be able to touch the front seat when strapped in...

Jail the ladies!

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
40. BFD, stupid irresponsible people are going to do stupid things and suffer the consequences
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:48 PM
Oct 2015

Irresponsible person leaves loaded gun around, predictability kid finds gun and shoots family member.

At least it was not an innocent bystander that was shot.







 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
41. I think the sentiment that two innocent lives
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:54 PM
Oct 2015

I think the sentiment that two innocent lives, regardless of your own higher educational climb, being lost reflects more on your own character than it does anything else.

Though I'm certain you'll rationalize it as something other than a weakness on your part.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
46. A responsible gun owner...er...wait...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 07:51 PM
Oct 2015

A child that should have known better per the NRA. Respect the firearm! You are old enough to walk - so that means open carry!

Hope he does life for not obeying the National 'Rifle' Assholes claims to glory.

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