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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:11 PM Oct 2015

David Brooks: The Republican Party is producing "leaders of jaw-dropping incompetence"

David Brooks: The Republican Party is producing "leaders of jaw-dropping incompetence"


Updated by Ezra Klein on October 13, 2015, 2:20 p.m. ET @ezraklein


David Brooks is fed up with today's Republican Party.

In a blistering New York Times column, Brooks accuses today's Republican Party of betraying the actual tenets of conservatism. "By traditional definitions," he writes, "conservatism stands for intellectual humility, a belief in steady, incremental change, a preference for reform rather than revolution, a respect for hierarchy, precedence, balance and order, and a tone of voice that is prudent, measured and responsible."

Today's Republicans, he continues, have abandoned all that. The GOP is increasingly driven by a faction that "regards the messy business of politics as soiled and impure. Compromise is corruption. Inconvenient facts are ignored. Countrymen with different views are regarded as aliens. Political identity became a sort of ethnic identity, and any compromise was regarded as a blood betrayal."

It's perhaps not a surprise that Brooks, a Burkean conservative, finds the party of Donald Trump and Ben Carson a bit objectionable. What's interesting is the precise nature of his diagnosis. Republicans, he says, have become prisoners of their own rhetoric:

Over the past 30 years, or at least since Rush Limbaugh came on the scene, the Republican rhetorical tone has grown ever more bombastic, hyperbolic and imbalanced. Public figures are prisoners of their own prose styles, and Republicans from Newt Gingrich through Ben Carson have become addicted to a crisis mentality. Civilization was always on the brink of collapse. Every setback, like the passage of Obamacare, became the ruination of the republic. Comparisons to Nazi Germany became a staple.

This produced a radical mind-set.


The result is a party that has convinced its voters that America needs a political revolution and is now surprised to find its voters turning to revolutionaries. "These insurgents are incompetent at governing and unwilling to be governed," Brooks says. "But they are not a spontaneous growth. It took a thousand small betrayals of conservatism to get to the dysfunction we see all around."

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http://www.vox.com/2015/10/13/9521719/david-brooks-republican-party
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David Brooks: The Republican Party is producing "leaders of jaw-dropping incompetence" (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2015 OP
I've been saying this for YEARS, elleng Oct 2015 #1
We havent seen traditional conservatism since Ike and Goldwater, everybody since then randys1 Oct 2015 #3
Bring back William f Buckley eom GusBob Oct 2015 #2
why would you want to bring back a fascist - bec. he talks more intelligently than ellenrr Oct 2015 #37
David Brooks, you and your ilk made this mess. nt valerief Oct 2015 #4
Yep. we can do it Oct 2015 #11
An incredible lack of self-awareness, no? gratuitous Oct 2015 #13
You are on a roll malaise Oct 2015 #16
what have we been screaming when reading your column in the NYT? CTyankee Oct 2015 #27
imagine no more! renegade000 Oct 2015 #35
HAH! Dr. K has been gunning for David 'effin Brooks for a long time...take a lap, professor... CTyankee Oct 2015 #39
You nailed it. Johonny Oct 2015 #42
If something is so blindingly obvious that even hifiguy Oct 2015 #5
Moral Hazard was unavailable for comment, but his correspondent writes: muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #29
I just love Pierce. hifiguy Oct 2015 #30
He is probably the best writer on any subject I know of today muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #32
He makes it sound like it's a cancer rather than a series of increasingly bad choices. Bucky Oct 2015 #6
They've gone beyond hyperbolic. They've gone beyond hypergolic Xipe Totec Oct 2015 #7
Winner... Wounded Bear Oct 2015 #18
"a thousand small betrayals" ... surrealAmerican Oct 2015 #8
The "betrayals" were instructions from their corporate masters. Martin Eden Oct 2015 #20
Brooks has been in denial for so long... lame54 Oct 2015 #9
To call the Republicans incompetent is an insult... Yavin4 Oct 2015 #10
For stark contrast... moondust Oct 2015 #12
The NYT has been giving valuable column inches to central scrutinizer Oct 2015 #14
Brooks, Dowd and Douthat, to name names. hifiguy Oct 2015 #15
Anyone worthy of being called "leader" is usually pretty rare. lpbk2713 Oct 2015 #17
It's not the incompetence I'm worried about, it's their insanity...nt joeybee12 Oct 2015 #19
Brooks should be smacked upsidea the head annabanana Oct 2015 #21
piss on David Brooks anyway KG Oct 2015 #22
And it all started with your messiah edhopper Oct 2015 #23
Now that's the cog calling the gear "whack" JHB Oct 2015 #24
Brooks for years has been a GOP wheel-greaser. Now that he sees that NCjack Oct 2015 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #28
WTF? "Brooks is a progressive hero"? Did you get that from The Onion? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #31
Hey, reading the OP would take time away from bashing Bernie supporters Fumesucker Oct 2015 #36
Wow. When the repugs have lost Brooks... trof Oct 2015 #26
I agree. I'm not as hostile toward his column as are most of the posts in this trhead. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #34
I know but being a bonehead is still being a bonehead... CTyankee Oct 2015 #41
David Brooks Didn't Complain When Republicans Won National Elections TheOther95Percent Oct 2015 #33
It's governance by demagoguery Major Nikon Oct 2015 #38
well you don't see what you don't wanna see... CTyankee Oct 2015 #40

elleng

(131,067 posts)
1. I've been saying this for YEARS,
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:14 PM
Oct 2015

"By traditional definitions," he writes, "conservatism stands for intellectual humility, a belief in steady, incremental change, a preference for reform rather than revolution, a respect for hierarchy, precedence, balance and order, and a tone of voice that is prudent, measured and responsible."


NO WAY they can call themselves 'conservative.'

HI, b'sis!

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. We havent seen traditional conservatism since Ike and Goldwater, everybody since then
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:18 PM
Oct 2015

has been a fraud, moron, or both.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. An incredible lack of self-awareness, no?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:04 PM
Oct 2015

Reading Brooks, you'd think this "just happened." Absolutely no betrayal by Brooks of his own complicity in turning conservatives and Republicans into a free-range loony bin. "It was broken when I got here!"

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
27. what have we been screaming when reading your column in the NYT?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 07:37 PM
Oct 2015

Andyou heard from us. You have email at the NYT.

You IDIOT! What is the matter with you? NOW you are acknowledging what we have been saying all along?

You dope and loser. I can imagine Paul Krugman rolling his eyes...

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
5. If something is so blindingly obvious that even
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:20 PM
Oct 2015

a terminally clueless numbnuts douchebag like Brooks can see it, the Repigs are truly up to their noses in quicksand. May they sink quickly and hopefully quietly into the abyss. And Brooksie is no "Burkean conservative," he's just a smug asshole who's about 1/5 as smart as he thinks he is.

I wonder what Moral Hazard thinks?

And yes, as pointed out above, Brooks and his ilk are largely responsible for the shitstorm-in-a-playpen they now decry so piously.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,349 posts)
29. Moral Hazard was unavailable for comment, but his correspondent writes:
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 08:04 PM
Oct 2015
The prion disease has mutated alarmingly into one of those interstellar viruses of the kind that you used to see on the original Star Trek, except this one turns older people young. We are in the hands of angry children now. And the search for a new Speaker of the House, the search for the next person to be third in line for the presidency, has become a search for the angry child who will promise to break all the toys.

Hell, even David Brooks is pretending to notice these days, although he continues to have a memory hole as deep as the Laurentian Abyssal as to his own complicity in the spread of the virus in question.

I have been calling this kind of thing vandalism ever since I opened the shebeen four years ago this month, but now I'm wondering if that's far too dignified a description of how it's come to evolve over that time. This is more like an organized tantrum, conducted under Robert's Rules of Kindergarten. Congressman Brat—Goddamn, Dickens died too soon for this mook.—is presenting an argument there that is one very small step above "I know you are but what am I?" and the vision of grown men drinking wine out of glasses engraved with a cheap-shot meme while discussing what kind of personalized designer penis-substitute they should be packing sounds like something out of the worst football frat house in the SEC. The grown-ups certainly are back in charge.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38795/republicans-children-throwing-tantrum/
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
30. I just love Pierce.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 08:07 PM
Oct 2015

He's such a genuinely good writer, and his snark is at Dorothy Parker levels of "incredibly nasty but stylistically polite."

muriel_volestrangler

(101,349 posts)
32. He is probably the best writer on any subject I know of today
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 08:12 PM
Oct 2015

Certainly on politics. And his opinions are normally spot on, too.

Bucky

(54,041 posts)
6. He makes it sound like it's a cancer rather than a series of increasingly bad choices.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:27 PM
Oct 2015
"conservatism stands for intellectual humility, a belief in steady, incremental change, a preference for reform rather than revolution, a respect for hierarchy, precedence, balance and order, and a tone of voice that is prudent, measured and responsible."


That's such a rosy picture of conservatism. The current batch of knuckleheads seem to think true conservatism consists of trying not to solve any problems at all. And acting all smart by invoking Edmund Burke is useless. Burke didn't even think non-property owners should be allowed to vote, let alone the riffraff that are flocking to Donald Trump.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
8. "a thousand small betrayals" ...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:31 PM
Oct 2015

... and how many of those were you personally responsible for Mr. Brooks?

... at least a few dozen over the years, I should think ...

moondust

(20,002 posts)
12. For stark contrast...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:59 PM
Oct 2015

watch Lawrence O'Donnell's show from last night when he had on former Republican Senator John Danforth of Missouri, who also happens to be an ordained Episcopal priest. Hard to believe he's (nominally) from the same party as the current crop of loons.

One thing he pointed out was that Ted Cruz and others seem to expect governmental change to happen overnight and kick and scream when it doesn't. Maybe that's because many have come of age in the Reagan era of short attention spans focused solely on this quarter's profits.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
15. Brooks, Dowd and Douthat, to name names.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:15 PM
Oct 2015

All are living proof that people who are fundamentally idiots and assholes can know grammar and have large vocabularies, while remaining idiots and assholes.

Where have you gone Tony Lewis?

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
17. Anyone worthy of being called "leader" is usually pretty rare.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:23 PM
Oct 2015




Hardly anyone who runs for office has public service in mind any more, Obama
and a few others being the exceptions. I find most people who run for office want
to serve themselves and their own interests first and then they will do what makes
them look good in the mass media after that.

edhopper

(33,606 posts)
23. And it all started with your messiah
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 07:18 PM
Oct 2015

Ronald Reagan, who put it all in motion.

Connect the dots Dave, or your blathering is useless.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
25. Brooks for years has been a GOP wheel-greaser. Now that he sees that
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 07:33 PM
Oct 2015

their wagon is on crash path, he puts some distance between himself and responsibility.

Response to NCjack (Reply #25)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,349 posts)
31. WTF? "Brooks is a progressive hero"? Did you get that from The Onion?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 08:09 PM
Oct 2015

Oh no, I see the problem - you haven't read the OP, or followed the link, so you missed the bit about the "New York Times column", and you thought the thread was about David Brock.

It really is worth reading an OP before answering, you know.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
34. I agree. I'm not as hostile toward his column as are most of the posts in this trhead.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:32 PM
Oct 2015

Let's be practical. Brooks hasn't said anything we didn't already know, but it's helpful that he's saying it. Some people will hear it from him who wouldn't get it if you forced them at gunpoint to spend a week reading DU.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
33. David Brooks Didn't Complain When Republicans Won National Elections
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 10:03 PM
Oct 2015

Maybe if he and his conservative establishment friends had not been so busy demonizing anyone or anything perceived as liberal and stopped using racial code words to appeal to this radical mind-set, we wouldn't be in this pickle. Day late. Dollar short, Dave.

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