The unfortunate matter is that activism on this issue has declined steadily, certainly ever since Roe. In fact activism on most progressive issues has declined ever since the Democratic Party began distancing itself from issues which signaled its progressive image; military intervention, labor rights, laws to counter veil corporate power, measures designed to improve inner city conditions, even voting rights, and more. This cuts across all issues and both sexes. If the woman's right to choose was/is that important (and it is), women wou!d have led the charge and wou!d Still be at it, hitting back.

Is that happening, now?

There is no institution -- or party -- which will bequeath "importance" on women's issues. You, me, others, are on our own.
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"...and when force is gone, there is always Mom. Hi, Mom." -- Laurie Anderson, "O Superman (For Massenet)." From LP O Superman

kind of like the lobsters in the pot syndrome.

As I recall, Queen Victoria was against women's suffrage, too. Getting women to dis other women is the oldest trick in the book. But in the case of Monica Miller, she's Roman Catholic. She's married and has three kids. My guess is she's never had sex for pleasure, but she may have accidentally enjoyed it a few times, and she thinks about that - a lot! - but feels guilty the whole while, too. Yet, I still have to wonder: how did she avoid getting pregnant more than three times, since according to the church screed, every act of intercourse - every one! - must carry a chance for pregnancy. Now, how did she limit her family to three kids? What did she do?

- Sir Walter Scott

Remembering all those lies and who they told them to is getting far too difficult for the poor fools.

The pharma industry that banks billions on birth control?

Why do they only target the women's health clinics?

Leave the real profiteers alone, eh?

(Please don't ask them to think about who those men are supposed to fuck when all women are supposed to be chaste)

they oppose man on man action. If women are to be chaste, you are not left with many other options.

there are good girls you marry and bad girls you screw. I told him I wanted to be the bad girl and then left, ha ha.

The religion hates women because of Eve and the apple. Adam was the righteous, good man, and corrupted by the woman.

Glad to see they are at least being honest about their hatred of women now.

Seriously, a man claiming "she made me do it" worked with an omnipotent god, so it has to work in courts of law, right?

What a crock! These assholes just want everyone else to be as miserable as they are.

on a man, because that was the only way to explain how a 'good' man could have ..raped a woman, fallen in love with a woman...

not enough!

This is about FEAR and CONTROL and nothing else for these cretinous and theocratic asshats. And they only want to control women.

Somehow I manage to despise religion - ALL religion - a little more each day.

Opening of Cialis ads: "When the moment's right, why stop to take a pill?"

Uh...because it would also be a great time to get a condom...?

"The kind of sexual ethic that Planned Parenthood promotes is sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure.”

You have to wonder what life is like for these people.

Who knew?

I'm post menopausal, and my husband has had a vasectomy.

Damn, can I even masturbate, or is that off limits now, too?

...only if you don't enjoy it!!!

so they want everyone to be miserable. Puratinism- the deep seated fear that someone, somewhere, is having a good time.

Sexual or otherwise.

pleasure" immoral, I really wonder if she has ever experienced the intimacy of having a satisfying sex life with her husband. I wonder if she's ever had an orgasm. I wonder if she's ever masturbated. Get that woman a vibrator. Hell, get her a Sybian!

poor thing i could care less what she thinks, but she has no business trying to control other women. a clear case of envy, imho. if i can't have any fun, no one can

ago.

Go back to the middle ages where you belong.

the catholic church in its early days...most of our ancestors around the world never had thoughts like these...

What exactly has changed?

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and existence fo gender specific slurs of "whore" and "slut" tell you that right up front.

BTW, it's not just the catholic church that's responsible...The puritans, as their name might imply, felt the same.

In any case, the double-standard was and is STILL widely accepted by the religious and non-religious alike.
e.g. "men are studs", "women are sluts".

...is that not only do these goofballs have these backward, unhealthy views of sex and sexuality--they absolutely demand that the rest of us suffer too.

These people are not only wrong, they are so outrageous in their insistence that EVERYONE on the planet must think they like do. They are stunted, spoiled brats.

Can these people not understand that NOT EVERYONE shares their view? Bloody hell.

This woman sure has a boatload of opinions about what should and shouldn't be in my vagina. Why is my vagina, and what goes on inside of it, any of her business?

...with little opposition. That is why these bawling reactionaries are much more out front about these beliefs than they were just 30 years: They see little opposition, and they Will continue these attacks, using Any means necessary.

Characteristic of prohibition movements: Use a thing, behavior, or status of people as a grand secondary cause to get at (and in) the hated group and punish it.

Of course, they'll deny that to their dying day. "A baby is never a punishment!"

They'll say women should "suffer the consequences" of daring to enjoy their sexuality. Emphasis on SUFFER.

If not servitude to a husband, who may or may not be abusive, servitude to the public. Either way, RWNJs think women should be no better than chattel instead of the human beings with free will they are.

Where economic determinism and all its mundane & worldly adherents are left to flounder in their own sea of secular religious doctrine.

K&R

I despise these people, and I mean that, hatred, absolute hatred.

...isn't it?

There's something really wrong with people who insist that no one else can have a healthy, fun sex life--because they are so locked down.

I bet this woman, who said these stupid things, wouldn't dare cross the street to demand that her neighbor put up more Christmas lights or mow her lawn a specific way. Because that would be psychotic. Yet, this same woman thinks that telling the whole world that they aren't allowed to enjoy a wild romp in the hay this weekend--is perfectly fine.

These people are nuts. Tired of their crazy.

"the truth."

One problem: there can be not even the kind of conditional truth found in science in an assertion that cannot be tested. "That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens

What truth leads one on a crusade to deny poor women healthcare services because women shouldn't have sex? I don't understand what belief is behind that?
It makes me feel angry at these idiots, but I also feel tremendously sad for them at the same time. What traumatic experience has twisted them so badly?

Some people are natural authoritarians or totalitarians. These particular goombahs think playing the skydaddy card answers and then prohibits all questions.

Among the many ways people can be divided into two camps, I think one of the more useful is a division between Believers and Skeptics - both terms taken in highly general senses.

There are a lot of people who are deeply uncomfortable with uncertainty, especially about the Big Questions. Others are profoundly skeptical of any kind of "received wisdom," especially of the sort that is offered without evidence and which resists critical questioning that is based on empirical facts. And in the rules of debate, the person making the affirmative case is tasked with making the better and more convincing case. I've never heard a valid, or even plausible, case for a Magical All-Powerful Being In the Sky in my nearly six full decades on this planet. And such a being violates every known law of physics.

I was born one of nature's skeptics. I doubted the existence of any Person in the Sky by the time I was eight, for the same reason I stopped believing in Santa. If you can't show yourself, forget it. By the time I was 13 or so I was a strong agnostic who leaned atheist. By the time I was 18 I was an atheist, and my last remaining vestiges of "maybe" were burned away by the final episode of "Cosmos" when Sagan said "these are just a few of the things hydrogen atoms can do given 13 billion years."

traits to assume something traumatic has turned them into lunatics. I simply cannot wrap my head around people who are really, truly, would have their kids killed over it, religious. To me, a person who is that religious belongs in an institute.

by parents and other authority figures also plays a significant role for some people.

But anyone who thinks that even reasonably rational adults cannot be gulled into self-destructive thralldom need only read the history of Jim Jones and Peoples' Temple. Tim Reiterman's "Raven" is an especially terrifying read that dissects the entire tragedy. People who simply have to believe in something will always be able to rationalize even the craziest acts.

"Most people would rather die than think. Many do." Bertrand Russell

Who says different is lying..

Blow up medical facilities, assault women seeking medical treatment, fly airplanes into buildings, the list goes on and on as to what the religious will do in this country and others to get their way.

I think they use these issues to marshal the support of the yahoos but the real objective is to cripple the Dems and win power.

if they don't live as she wants. Could easily be a murderer, and no one would ever suspect it.

I just felt my blood pressure spike by 30 points reading this.

I say that all the time.

I am right.

period

That statement about sex reminds me of the definition of a Puritan I heard in a university history class:

"The haunting fear that someone, somehow, some place is having a good time."

Sooooooooo...what is wrong with sex?

Hmmmmmmmm....too much sex has rotted my brain???

After all, I lived in Isla Vista in the 1960s!!!!

Many Christians and some other Abrahamic religion adherents believe Eve is solely responsible for the original sin and the pain they experience in childbirth is their penance. For the life of them they can't figure out why everyone else thinks it's batshit crazy.

God, these people are the most miserable human beings on the planet. Have you ever noticed how truly bitter and miserable all religious fundamentalists are? And I mean all of them.

project that hatred onto others who give in to their very human desires. I have always thought that most, if not all fundamentalists are mentally ill - I mean textbook cases, not just figuratively. I really think that their minds and psyches are severely damaged.

based as it provably is on profoundly delusional and disorderedthinking, is indeed a mental illness and a very serious one. But it's never called out because, as Sam Harris puts it, we as a society are too "polite" to call it what it plainly is.

are total freaks in the bedroom. It always turns out that way. The most vociferous, judgmental, religious bigots turn out to be freakier than what they are protesting. Jimmy Swaggart and Ted Haggard come to mind. There are others.

this has ALWAYS been about making women pay for the audacity of having a sex drive, for wanting to express their sexuality. The most extreme form of slut shaming, forcing a woman to have a unwanted child because she had sex. How date women?! I am a little surprised that someone actually said it out loud though. It seems as if the crazy is just oozing out now, i.e. the Benghazi idiots, etc. They are letting their true motivations out, and they are hideous.

bothering to pretend anymore.

we all have been saying this for decades, and being told that we are wrong, paranoid, so it is astounding that they are actually admitting it.

Saying that women must "pay the consequences" for having sex; they know an unwanted pregnancy is punishment, that caring for a child involves a lot of mindless drudgery.

Allowing for rape and incest exceptions to abortion bans tells you it isn't about the sanctity of life or Precious Preborn Poppets™; it's about punishing women who have sex voluntarily and excusing those who are forced against their will (provided she can prove she was dressed properly, said and did the right things, and was a teetotaler).

No exceptions for life and health of the woman to abortion bans tells you that if a woman had sex voluntarily, she must pay whatever price, even if that price is lifelong disability or death. Never mind that that child won't have a mother or a mother capable of caring for the child; this is about making women pay. In blood.

are against exemptions for rape and incest. "If you're not against abortions after rape, you're not against abortions."
Remember that one guy that said a baby from rape was a gift from god?

That women are supposed to be owned. Bodies and all. Shoot in the early 20th Century when a woman married a man he OWNED her. You know women couldn't vote either. They are just vagina's for men's pleasure....where are those scissors Lorena. (this is about religion and those who are the heads of religion - male - all across the globe.)

And sex education became part of school curricula, the first impetus driving the homeschool movement, just as the initial opposition to Roe v Wade was driven by this. This person is right: Catholics and evangelical Protestants are intent on imposing their religious beliefs on everyone, and outlawing sex without consequences for women is the first step and what galvanizes them and holds their crusade together.

Can't have sex for pleasure? Really? Have you watched how often animals have sex for pleasure especially primates? You can't be fruitful if you have sex just once for procreating. You got to do it over and over again to ensure a pregnancy. And why give out orgasms for sex? If you aren't meant to enjoy it, why attach orgasm to the act? It could be an urge like eating or going to the bathroom. But NO God gave us orgasm if we perform sex the right way - for fun. We are all meant to enjoy it but somehow religion got all tied up in knots about controlling it.

The Spanish Republicans led a failed revolution over the issue of education for all.
The Roman church controlled all of the schools and only affluent people were allowed to send their children.
The masses were left with no formal education.

There are greater domestic threats that easily outweigh ISIS in terms of threat level.

An example of Catholic brainwashing:
http://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=47264

I shudder to think where we would be today had the Armada not sunk.

A stupid population is a more malleable population and will work for lower wages, not push for a cleaner environment, and will have more low wage babies. That's what they want, education only for them and the rest of the 1%ers or their toadies.

Kind of the Mother Teresa brand of religious devotion. "No pain meds for you! Misery is next to godliness!" or some such bullshit.

And Ted Cruz is their 'Anointed One.' Complete control of govt, media, & social concerns with Biblical law. Of course, mention that it sounds just like Sharia and what ISIL is seeking and they'll get all huffy in denial.

It has been the least well kept secret in American politics since Reagan, at least, probably since forever.

Whoever has been slipping the truth serum into the RWers drinks, thank you and please double the dose.

The attack on Planned Parenthood, their desire to drive them out of business exposes their agenda - targeting birth control and women's health. The abortion canard is just a convenient cover

that this is the real agenda.

Now at last they admit the truth.

Medieval assholes, control freaks and theocratic lunatics.

Idjit religion - the number one enemy of human progress.

Anti-choicers in a nutshell.

"Pro-lifers" don't give a flying fuck about unborn children. They are just outraged that people are not paying the price for their "sins"...one of which is unwanted pregnancies. The proof is their opposition to birth control.

...but ONLY WHEN MEN DO IT.

And THIS is the problem I have with these dipshits. If you REALLY want to stop people having "Sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure" - then you had better be hellbent on controlling the behavior of BOTH MEN AND WOMEN and not just women.

But it's all fucked-up (pun intended) because first of all, trying to control OTHER people (rather than yourself) is just NOT possible. And trying to control only HALF the other people whom you want to stop doing a thing (ie: having "Sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure" ) is even MORE stupid.

It's a goddamned STUPID sandwich with extra bullshit.

Pfft.

After all, if sex for mere pleasure is objectionable, why not eating for pleasure?

It's only big government when the other party is in control, huh?

Expose these dipshit right wingers for all their shady ulterior motives hiding behind these legitimate looking fronts. What a bunch of evil, control hungry assholes.

Why Contraception is Evil
by Monica M. Migliorino (Monica Miller)

When spouses use artificial contraception they express there is something wrong, evil or undesirable about their bodies as male and female. A sacred quality of the body is rejected — and what is rejected is part of one's personal word. Consequently, complete union is not achieved because the integrity of the body as a sacred word has been broken. Artificial contraception desecrates conjugal love as a sacramental sign because the spouses fail to affirm themselves and each other in their masculinity and femininity and thus fail to express Christ's affirmation of himself and his Bride, the Church. God created man male and female to participate in this reality. To reject one's power to procreate violates one of the most fundamental (if not the most fundamental) meanings of masculinity and femininity. This refusal to love the body is a "no" uttered to God in the very act which sacramentally is meant by God to be a resounding "yes."

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7618

for how indescribably and totally batshit that is.

Why isn't she home in the kitchen, pregnant and joyfully serving her Head of the Household?

This woman is seriously confused. She needs professional help!

Since evolutionary dictates are procreation f/ survival of the species, counters, like predators, are necessary to 'cull the herd' to prevent overpopulation. Since humans are, more or less, w/o natural predators of any major extent any longer, wars serve that purpose. It might also partly explain Christian Scientists aversion to medicine — accidents and disease also keep pop down.

Unfortunately, religion prevents them from accepting more rational methods preventing overpopulation, like birth control and abortion.

I can't even imagine being in a room with her for more than 2 minutes. She is one twisted human being!

Babies killed by guns are collateral damage and a small price to pay for our sacred, holy, Jesus-ordained right to bear arms

They might discover that sex promotes itself quite well. It was a very popular activity well before Planned Parenthood existed. In fact, one could reasonably surmise that it was the existing and extreme popularity of having sex both inside and outside of marriage that gave rise to the need for an organization like Planned Parenthood.

Planned Parenthood, for all its supposed power, I do not believe could in its wildest dreams make having sex any more attractive than it is and already was before they existed. People have been having sex pretty much any time they wanted to get together for it for as long as recorded history can report.