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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJudge: Texas can deny birth certificates for U.S.-born children of some immigrants
A federal judge ruled Friday that Texas officials can continue to deny U.S. birth certificates to the children of immigrants who cannot supply required identification because they entered the country illegally.
Though children born in the United States are entitled by law to U.S. citizenship regardless of the immigration status of their parents, Texas authorities have been placing significant barriers to immigrants who have entered the country illegally and are seeking birth certificates for their U.S.-born children.
In his ruling denying an emergency order sought by families, Judge Robert L. Pitman of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio said Texas officials can refuse to accept matricula consular cards, issued by Mexican consulates, as a form of identification to obtain birth certificates for U.S.-born children.
While the Court is very troubled at the prospect of Texas-born children, and their parents, being denied issuance of a birth certificate, Pitman wrote, Texas has a clear interest in protecting access to that document.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-immigrant-birth-certificate-20151016-story.html
artislife
(9,497 posts)I have no words at this moment
Vinca
(50,300 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)And quite a few know more about the Constitution than Kim Davis.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Yeah, it's called racism and xenophobia. Didn't know that trumped the Constitution, but that may be why I'm not a federal judge.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)The U.S. born children can't get a copy of their birth certificate because the Texas authorities will not accept the foreign ID of their parents when said parents request a certified copy of their children(s)' birth certificate?
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)Here's how the Washington Times (sorry, but they did go into more detail) put it:
Texas restricts who can request a birth certificate. Parents or grandparents are approved requesters, but must be able to prove their relationship to the child, which means establishing their identity.
Thats difficult for many illegal immigrants who have no valid American ID, but who had hoped to use the Matricula Consular cards, which the Mexican government issues to help its citizens, and illegal immigrants in particular, gain access to services in the U.S.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/16/texas-can-refuse-to-issue-birth-certificates-to-il/
or:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/judge-says-texas-agencies-can-continue-denying-birth-certifi#.fyY5om9Z7
LiberalArkie
(15,727 posts)carry a new born out the door, but that is alright but don't ask for the certificate of birth. What kind of ID does the woman have to have to prove that she gave birth to the child she is removing from the hospital? Oh, I see a suit in the making.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)SunSeeker
(51,646 posts)He is a racist and obviously does not know the Constitution. That should disqualify him from sitting on the bench. But apparently in Texas, it is a prerequisite.
eShirl
(18,498 posts)this guy is a federal judge, does not the 14th amendment supersede Texas laws?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)manner that makes it a slam dunk for a TRO......
And yes....I think Texas officials are being racist pig fuckers......but you gotta think AROUND them....there's a legal strategy being missed, here.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)Be specific. Why are you, personally, saying the document issued by the Mexican consulate is not good enough?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)But ...as the judge noted .... the vast majority of departments in Mexico do not accept the cards as primary identification.
this is because Mexico does not have a centralized database. And the standard of verification varies between department to department.....
if the majority of Mexican departments do not accept the cards as stand-alone verification, then why should Texas?
.
The defense chose a poor route.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)Mexicos embassy in Washington says it has upgraded its cards, which now include an electronic chip and other security measures designed to prevent counterfeiting.
The new cards were available as of November, and more than 1 million were issued in the first two month. That accounts for about a quarter of the 4.4 million cards that have been issued in the U.S., the embassy said.
Six states accept the Mexican-issued cards as valid proof for obtaining a drivers license, and hundreds of banks and more than 1,000 police departments accept it as valid identity for their purposed, the embassy said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/16/texas-can-refuse-to-issue-birth-certificates-to-il/
Where are the judge's remarks saying most Mexican departments don't accept them? That seems to go against the Mexican goverment's position.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)that you didn't bother. And your link confirms that only 6 Mexican departments take it as primary id. Without googling, can you tell us how many departments Mexico has?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)My link doesn't talk about 'Mexican departments', it talks about 'states' - which I would think, from the context ("Six states accept the Mexican-issued cards" - not "the federally-issued" or "consular issued", so I think that means states outside Mexico), means American states. A casual web search did not turn up the full wording of the judge's decision. You can't make me read it, but you could have helped by giving us all a link to it, since you've obviously found it.
Since you know the exact wording of the judge's decision, can you comment on why the Mexican government thinks the identification is reliable, but he doesn't?
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)"Specifically, in 2008 DSHS was contacted by the Consul General of Mexico who inquired
whether consular identification, specifically the Mexican matricula, was no longer acceptable.
(Def. Resp. Decl. of Connelly ¶ 3). According to Defendants, research undertaken by DSHS
revealed that matriculas are issued by individual Mexican Consulates in the United States, and
that the Consulates do not maintain a centralized database that keeps track of persons who have
been issued a matricula and which consular office issued the person a matricula. (Id. Decl. of
Harris ¶ 3). Additionally, the research revealed that Mexican Consulates did not verify the
authenticity of the documents presented by persons seeking a matricula, and that registrars in only
four of twenty states responding to DSHS inquiry accepted the matricula as stand-alone
identification. "
Which is also well out of date, since the 2014 consular identification card has biometrics, a clear photograph, and other security features.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)I cannot make you read that brief.
but I will suggest to you that Mexican departments, and American States, are two different things. that the right-wing source you used to attempt to dispute with me would conflate departments and States is unsurprising.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)(you could have, of course, answered my original question in #17 - "Where are the judge's remarks" - rather than unhelpfully saying "I can't force you to read them", twice. Sometimes, when you've read a paragraph in the OP of a DU excerpt, you don't then re-read it in the article to check for links)
As I've said in #22, that looks like it's about US states, not Mexican departments. And it's based on a 2008 survey, rather than up-to-date information about the consular card.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)because the plaintiff filed such a sloppy case. that's why the judge was forced to rule as he did.
I have never understood posters on democratic underground do not click the link.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)DSHS was concerned with, and attempted to address, a real potential for fraud in implementing
Section 181.
Specifically, in 2008 DSHS was contacted by the Consul General of Mexico who inquired
whether consular identification, specifically the Mexican matricula, was no longer acceptable.
(Def. Resp. Decl. of Connelly ¶ 3). According to Defendants, research undertaken by DSHS
revealed that matriculas are issued by individual Mexican Consulates in the United States, and
that the Consulates do not maintain a centralized database that keeps track of persons who have
been issued a matricula and which consular office issued the person a matricula. (Id. Decl. of
Harris ¶ 3). Additionally, the research revealed that Mexican Consulates did not verify the
authenticity of the documents presented by persons seeking a matricula, and that registrars in only
four of twenty states responding to DSHS inquiry accepted the matricula as stand-alone
identification. (Id.). Further, when conducting its research, DSHS learned of, and apparently
relied heavily on, extensive research which had already been performed by the United States
Government. (Def. Resp. Decl. of Connelly ¶ 4). Specifically noted is testimony provided to
Congress by the FBI that neither the FBI nor the Department of Justice recognized the matricula
as a valid form of identification, nor did United States Immigration and Custom Enforcement. (Id.).
DSHS informed the Consul General by letter dated June 20, 2008 that the matricula would no
longer be accepted as an independent verification of identity.
Contrast the defendants use of 2008 information about who recognised the ID back then, with:
of this assertion, they provided the affidavit of the Consul General of the United Mexican States
(Mexico) located in Austin, Texas.
(Plf. Reply Aff. of Gonzalez Gutierrez).
The affidavit
testimony establishes that, in 2006, Mexico improved the security features of the consular
identification card by beginning operation of a centralized database including biometrics, decoded
information of the bearer using bi-dimensional code bars and other methods used according to
international standards. (Id. ¶ 14). Further, in November 2014, Mexican consulates across the
United States started issuing a new version of the consular identification card, which has
additional security measures including biometrics of the applicant with embedded identity data,
upgraded design features of the card itself, and a photograph that is clearer than on past versions.
(Id. ¶¶ 16, 21-27).
In addition, Plaintiffs cite the affidavit of Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo (Acevedo).
Acevedo states he considers both the current, newest Mexican matricula and its 2012 predecessor
to be a completely safe and secure identity document which his department accepts routinely
and considers to be as safe and secure as a Texas driver's license. (Plf. Reply Decl. of Acevedo
¶¶ 7-8). Acevedo additionally notes he is familiar with practices of other police departments in the
area, and they also use and accept the matricula as a safe and secure form of identity. (Id. ¶ 11).
Plaintiffs evidence concerning recent upgrades to the Mexican matricula does indicate
Defendants concern regarding the ability to fabricate or readily tamper with the document may
well be outdated.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)like I said in this badly filed case the judge had no recourse but to rule as he did.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)You claimed that "the vast majority of departments in Mexico do not accept the cards as primary identification", which isn't true, and the judge didn't say it either - he doesn't mention "Mexican departments" at all. You've claimed that "Mexico does not have a centralized database", but that's incorrect too.
When I pointed out the information about how widely the card was accepted was out-of-date, you say that's because the plaintiffs filed a sloppy case; but when I point out it was the defendants who brought up the out-of-date info, and the judge said the plaintiffs had shown the info was out of date, you say that proves the incompetency of the plaintiff. Huh?
ripcord
(5,492 posts)Until they change their stance that is the way it will be.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Conservatives have claimed for a number of recent years that the 14th amendment is not being interpreted correctly by the federal government.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)only the rants of a few Trump-style racist pig-dogs.