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Eugene

(61,937 posts)
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 02:35 PM Oct 2015

Texas birth certificate rules for immigrants' children stand for now: judge

Source: Reuters

US | Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:16pm EDT

Texas birth certificate rules for immigrants' children stand for now: judge

BY FIONA ORTIZ

Texas officials do not have to make it easier for undocumented immigrants to get birth certificates for their children born in the state while a legal challenge proceeds in court, a federal judge ruled.

U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman declined to grant a preliminary injunction on Friday in a civil rights lawsuit filed in May over how Texas is complying with the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which grants citizenship to any child born on U.S. soil, regardless of parentage.

The issue of U.S. citizenship for children of illegal immigrants has become an issue in the November 2016 presidential campaign with Republican candidate Donald Trump questioning the automatic granting of citizenship and Jeb Bush drawing fire for his comments on the issue.

Non-profit groups Texas RioGrande Legal Aid and the Texas Civil Rights Project filed the lawsuit on behalf of six children and their immigrant parents alleging the children were denied birth certificates because their parents lacked proof of U.S. citizenship or legal status.

In the lawsuit the groups sought a court order that Texas-born children of immigrants are entitled to birth certificates, and said their constitutional rights were being violated.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/17/us-usa-texas-immigration-idUSKCN0SB0V420151017
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Texas birth certificate rules for immigrants' children stand for now: judge (Original Post) Eugene Oct 2015 OP
Let's see who this judge is. Hmmm, not exactly what I expected. UTUSN Oct 2015 #1
Wait a minnit!1 If the body was born in the U.S.A. it don't matter who the parents are UTUSN Oct 2015 #2
This is going to be tricky. Igel Oct 2015 #3

UTUSN

(70,725 posts)
1. Let's see who this judge is. Hmmm, not exactly what I expected.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 03:01 PM
Oct 2015

O.K., so this is a ruling on the situation pending the decision. Still, I was assuming it was a wingnut judge. When the word "international" popped up in his bio, hmmm that's not a wingnut orientation. Then, although endorsed by Texas Repukes, he was nominated by OBAMA.

It would seem that the only issues are proof that the child was born in the U.S. and DNA that the child is the parents'. If he rules the correct way in the end, this temporary ruling should add to the cred.




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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Pitman

Robert Lee Pitman (born 1962) is a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Western District of Texas and former United States Attorney for the Western District of Texas. He was previously a United States magistrate judge on the same court.

.... After completing law school, Pitman served as a law clerk for Judge David Belew Jr. of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas in Fort Worth.[3] Pitman holds a Masters Degree in International Human Rights Law from the University of Oxford.

Following his judicial clerkship, Pitman began his career at the international law firm of Fulbright and Jaworski.

In 2001, Pitman briefly served as interim United States Attorney for the Western District of Texas.[3] As US Attorney on September 11, 2001, he formed the first anti-terrorism task force in the district, uniting local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies in their counter-terrorism efforts and in their work to better secure Texas' international border. He was replaced by George W. Bush appointee Johnny Sutton, who asked Pitman to remain in the office as his chief deputy.

n 2009, Republican Senators John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison sent Pitman's name to Democratic President Barack Obama as one of two candidates for United States Attorney for the Western District of Texas.[6][7] The recommendation of Pitman, who is openly gay, was publicly opposed by a social conservative group in Texas.[6][7] On June 27, 2011, almost two years after Pitman was recommended for the post, Obama notified members of congress that he would nominate Pitman to be United States Attorney for the Western District of Texas.[8] He was formally nominated the following day.

Personal
Pitman is a sixth-generation Texan and lives in Austin. He is an avid outdoorsman and horseman.

At the time Pitman was the first openly gay United States Attorney in Texas.[14] He was one of four openly LGBT U.S. Attorneys, alongside Jenny Durkan of the Western District of Washington, Laura Duffy of the Southern District of California and Anne Tompkins of the Western District of North Carolina.[15]

Upon receiving his judicial commission Pitman became the first openly gay judge to sit on the federal bench in the entire 5th Circuit Court system, which covers Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi.

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UTUSN

(70,725 posts)
2. Wait a minnit!1 If the body was born in the U.S.A. it don't matter who the parents are
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 03:20 PM
Oct 2015

except later for their own purposes. (Just talking to myself.)

Igel

(35,337 posts)
3. This is going to be tricky.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 03:39 PM
Oct 2015

On the one hand, a child's citizenship isn't up for discussion. It's not Texas' place to grant citizenship or not. It's registered, documented, and done.

On the other hand, the choice of IDs acceptable is up for discussion. It's not the parents' status as "immigrants" that's at issue--another place the article decides to depart from accurate reporting--it's their undocumented status, where "undocumented" refers to valid forms of US identification.

"Quick thinking" says this is easy, but "slow thinking" says there are ramifications elsewhere and it's not the easy, quick politically desirable decision that we'd like.


A second tricky place is the following: If Texas is to be seen as denying citizenship on the basis of denying the issuance of a valid copy of the kid's birth certificate, what would that say about Texas' not issuing a valid ID for voting purposes to those without valid birth certicates because their births weren't registered or they simply lack ID. Do we want to say that Texas is denying citizenship to that group of people, retroactively for 70 or 80 years regardless of the treatment since then? Because in some sense those are also undocumented.

(Pointing out again that the problem here isn't the kid's documentation, but the undocumented, not immigrant, status of the applicants. Judging the validity of numerous ID documents issued by extraterritorial government agencies is a nightmare; I had to keep I-9 files and had photocopies of an assortment of other state's driver's licenses, the validity of none of which I could assess as I enforced federal immigration law and determined worker eligibility.)


Which brings us to the third tricky point. Let's say I go in and say I'm so-and-so's parent and want a copy of his birth certificate. But I don't have any of the valid forms of ID. I'm a US citizen, my kid is, and my "undocumented status" may be transitory or intentional. If there are no forms of ID that are required to be valid, then I could claim this not just for Igeling (who, in any event, wasn't born in Texas) but for any child I have adequate information about.

If there are valid forms of ID and the state doesn't have the legal authority to declare what they are, does that mean the courts are responsible for this? Or can a state court (or federal court) ex parte make this a federal-level executive function in the absence of any controlling law? Because this is a deeply bureaucratic, executive-branch function on an issue that has been given to the state for the last 200+ years to the state but which the attorneys are trying to say really is a federal function or has an adverse impact on a federal function (I'll assume the reporter's just one of whose who failed US history and government or got a mercy pass).

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