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Background checks for ammo sales on the ballot says Newsom (Original Post) malaise Oct 2015 OP
K&R! Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #1
Creepy... TipTok Oct 2015 #2
I wonder how would that work? sarisataka Oct 2015 #3
Details Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #4
Perhaps if you have a gun license Politicalboi Oct 2015 #5
No. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #8
Is the NRA in the insurance biz? If they ain't, they's gonna be. Damn skippy. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #16
They are. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #17
I see it as a backdoor effort at a cost barrier. As soon as the lot of them find out it's cheap... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #19
Let hope criminals don't decide to drive to Nevada/Oregon/Arizona Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #6
Criminals? This isn't about crime. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #10
I agree Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #11
I foresee CA's border states gaining a lot of new customers from CA. GGJohn Oct 2015 #7
Why a "great idea?" Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #9
There's a reason... HDSam Oct 2015 #12
If this does pass, I'll bet some enterprising person sets up shop at Primm, NV and offers a discount GGJohn Oct 2015 #13
How are background checks for ammo working out in NY? n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #14
Well ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #20
I'm trying to figure out why you think it's a great idea? GGJohn Oct 2015 #15
That will not go over well in this part of California. Throd Oct 2015 #18
That's a damn interesting idea Recursion Oct 2015 #21

sarisataka

(18,706 posts)
3. I wonder how would that work?
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:03 PM
Oct 2015

Is the FBI on board to give access to NCIS for the check? That would add a lot of burden to the Feds. Or will CA develop their own system?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
5. Perhaps if you have a gun license
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:17 PM
Oct 2015

That is current, then you can buy ammo. We need insurance and yearly registrations on these guns along with yearly mental health check ups at the expense of the gun owner.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
16. Is the NRA in the insurance biz? If they ain't, they's gonna be. Damn skippy.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:39 PM
Oct 2015

Go ahead with the silly insurance scheme, which is a backdoor attempt to make guns too expensive for the average Joe. The result will be millions upon millions in the NRA coffers.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
17. They are.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:50 PM
Oct 2015

They have been for years and are in fact the largest provider of gun-specific policies. The policies are quite cheap, actually...because there are so few claims. Accidental harm from guns is a very rare occurrence, given how many millions of guns (and gun owners there are). Intentional harm isn't covered by any insurance carrier on the planet.

The mandatory insurance idea is advanced mainly by those who don't realize that it's useless as a way to pay for the harm caused by gun violence or those who want to erect a cost barrier to gun ownership (but don't understand how cheap this insurance actually is).

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
19. I see it as a backdoor effort at a cost barrier. As soon as the lot of them find out it's cheap...
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:54 PM
Oct 2015

they'll demand very high minimum liability amounts and try to legislate the cost somehow.

It's like they've never seen actuarial tables.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
6. Let hope criminals don't decide to drive to Nevada/Oregon/Arizona
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015

Or lets hope they can't figure out how to make their own ammo.

Or I buy it online, ship it to a fake address, then go to UPS, and reroute the shippment to California.

That took me 60 seconds to figure out. But I'm sure background checks will just stop all criminals.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
10. Criminals? This isn't about crime.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:43 PM
Oct 2015

Criminals don't go through a lot of ammo, really. They're not generally "range rats." Outside of some sort of turf war, a few boxes is likely to last a career. I shoot up more every week, I suspect, than most career criminals will in a lifetime.

This is about inconveniencing regular gun owners...make no mistake.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
7. I foresee CA's border states gaining a lot of new customers from CA.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:28 PM
Oct 2015

If I were anywhere near the border AZ/CA, I would open a firearm store right on the border, advertise 15% off on ammo to CA residents and sit back and rake in the dough.

I can also foresee CA demanding that their border states refuse service CA residents, I can also foresee CA's border states giving CA the giant middle finger.

I also foresee more CA resident's reloading their own ammo.

HDSam

(251 posts)
12. There's a reason...
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:14 PM
Oct 2015

there's a Cabela's a stone's throw from California on I-80 in Nevada and not in a location that is considered convenient to Reno/Sparks residents.

It is my opinion this legislation is nothing more than politicians saying "look, we're doing something to stop gun violence" but I don't see this having the intended effect for reasons others have already posted. In fact, I will be very surprised if it passes.

It will be interesting to see if it will require background checks to purchase components that reloaders use.


GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
13. If this does pass, I'll bet some enterprising person sets up shop at Primm, NV and offers a discount
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:23 PM
Oct 2015

to CA residents entering and leaving NV.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
20. Well ...
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:05 AM
Oct 2015
How are background checks for ammo working out in NY?

Two years after passage, they have been suspended indefinitely.

http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Plans-for-a-New-York-state-ammunition-registry-6378709.php

The state had reportedly spent $7 million and still wasn't close to a working database to process the background checks. Facing estimates of up to $100 million to get it up and running, they threw in the towel.

In a related story, the seven-round limit bit the dust yesterday in federal court. We're back to the pre-SAFE Act ten-round limit. However, the "assault weapon" ban held. You can have any kind of semi-auto rifle you want, as long as it doesn't have a pistol grip, an adjustable stock, a flash hider, or a bayonet lug. Those things kill people, doncha know. That and the background-check-for-private sales requirement (closing what was erroneously known as the "gunshow loophole&quot are the only key provisions of SAFE that are left. Oh yes, and no more grandfathering of >10-round magazines. I'm fairly sure that the millions of those that existed in NY State before passage of the SAFE Act have been raptured up to gun-control heaven.

As late-stage crony capitalism strangles participatory democracy to death, I can't believe that this is the kind of shit we're quibbling about.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
15. I'm trying to figure out why you think it's a great idea?
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:33 PM
Oct 2015

What would it solve?
How will this reduce crime?

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