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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBackground checks for ammo sales on the ballot says Newsom
What a great idea
Omaha Steve
(99,679 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)sarisataka
(18,706 posts)Is the FBI on board to give access to NCIS for the check? That would add a lot of burden to the Feds. Or will CA develop their own system?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)We don't need any stinking details.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)That is current, then you can buy ammo. We need insurance and yearly registrations on these guns along with yearly mental health check ups at the expense of the gun owner.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Go ahead with the silly insurance scheme, which is a backdoor attempt to make guns too expensive for the average Joe. The result will be millions upon millions in the NRA coffers.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)They have been for years and are in fact the largest provider of gun-specific policies. The policies are quite cheap, actually...because there are so few claims. Accidental harm from guns is a very rare occurrence, given how many millions of guns (and gun owners there are). Intentional harm isn't covered by any insurance carrier on the planet.
The mandatory insurance idea is advanced mainly by those who don't realize that it's useless as a way to pay for the harm caused by gun violence or those who want to erect a cost barrier to gun ownership (but don't understand how cheap this insurance actually is).
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)they'll demand very high minimum liability amounts and try to legislate the cost somehow.
It's like they've never seen actuarial tables.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Or lets hope they can't figure out how to make their own ammo.
Or I buy it online, ship it to a fake address, then go to UPS, and reroute the shippment to California.
That took me 60 seconds to figure out. But I'm sure background checks will just stop all criminals.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Criminals don't go through a lot of ammo, really. They're not generally "range rats." Outside of some sort of turf war, a few boxes is likely to last a career. I shoot up more every week, I suspect, than most career criminals will in a lifetime.
This is about inconveniencing regular gun owners...make no mistake.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Good thing I reload. . . . .And don't live in California
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)If I were anywhere near the border AZ/CA, I would open a firearm store right on the border, advertise 15% off on ammo to CA residents and sit back and rake in the dough.
I can also foresee CA demanding that their border states refuse service CA residents, I can also foresee CA's border states giving CA the giant middle finger.
I also foresee more CA resident's reloading their own ammo.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Do you believe this will in any measurable way decrease gun crime in California?
HDSam
(251 posts)there's a Cabela's a stone's throw from California on I-80 in Nevada and not in a location that is considered convenient to Reno/Sparks residents.
It is my opinion this legislation is nothing more than politicians saying "look, we're doing something to stop gun violence" but I don't see this having the intended effect for reasons others have already posted. In fact, I will be very surprised if it passes.
It will be interesting to see if it will require background checks to purchase components that reloaders use.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)to CA residents entering and leaving NV.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)Straw Man
(6,625 posts)Two years after passage, they have been suspended indefinitely.
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Plans-for-a-New-York-state-ammunition-registry-6378709.php
The state had reportedly spent $7 million and still wasn't close to a working database to process the background checks. Facing estimates of up to $100 million to get it up and running, they threw in the towel.
In a related story, the seven-round limit bit the dust yesterday in federal court. We're back to the pre-SAFE Act ten-round limit. However, the "assault weapon" ban held. You can have any kind of semi-auto rifle you want, as long as it doesn't have a pistol grip, an adjustable stock, a flash hider, or a bayonet lug. Those things kill people, doncha know. That and the background-check-for-private sales requirement (closing what was erroneously known as the "gunshow loophole" are the only key provisions of SAFE that are left. Oh yes, and no more grandfathering of >10-round magazines. I'm fairly sure that the millions of those that existed in NY State before passage of the SAFE Act have been raptured up to gun-control heaven.
As late-stage crony capitalism strangles participatory democracy to death, I can't believe that this is the kind of shit we're quibbling about.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)What would it solve?
How will this reduce crime?
Throd
(7,208 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)I want to look into this.