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https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2013/03/minnesota-senators-no-votes-iraq-war-and-other-10th-anniversary-thoughts
madaboutharry
(40,216 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)By Wayne Madsen
Before we all get sucked into George W. Bush's eulogies of the late Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone let us not forget what his father, Bush 41, called the Senator at a White House reception for newly-elected members of Congress in 1991.
Wellstone, who ran on a progressive platform, did not think Bush 41 cared one wit about education, health care, and workers' safety issues.
So when Wellstone met Bush in a typical White House pro forma reception line, he used the occasion to urge Bush on three different occasions to spend more time on issues like education and cautioning him against the Persian Gulf War. Of course, Bush was more concerned about fighting the war against Iraq (sound familiar?) and could care less about Wellstone's issues.
After Wellstone violated Bush 41's sanctimonious White House protocol, Bush was overheard saying, "Who is this chicken shit?"
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http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=10236
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)and that the Jews carried out 9/11, and currently own Hollywood, the media, both political parties, and the White House.
What the fuck is wrong with you, Octafish?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The source is Democrats.com.
What the fuck is wrong with you is obvious.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)It's been pointed out to you over and over.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The reason: they actually side with Paul Wellstone and democracy over the Bush crime family.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I will bet a doughnut hole to a dollar that Sen. Wellstone was going to be Tweety's guest right after the election, so Tweety could find out all about a Democrat with stones, right?
Right?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)He thought GE would be around to protect him for ever and ever. Now that the spaghetti's hitting the fan regarding Bush's lies for War Inc. -- no thanks to the Democratic leadership! -- Matthews will be lucky to find a concrete life vest.
Couldn't happen to a nicer fellah.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Everyone else would play lap dog. Wellstone would not and wasn't having any of the BFEEs bullshit smoke and mirrors.
RIP sir.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0510-04.htm
I remember on DU we noted how Wolf Blitzer zeroed in on weather, despite what his reporter on scene was saying. It sounded like Wolf wanted to make certain CNN was on the side of "accidents happen" from the first day.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3931991
ruffburr
(1,190 posts)That he was still with us, What a VP choice for Bernie!! , You are Missed Sen.Wellstone
Octafish
(55,745 posts)He showed leadership, not only regarding the war, but on what it means to be in politics:
"I represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."
The Progressive Professor said he was planning to run in 2004:
http://www.theprogressiveprofessor.com/?tag=paul-wellstone
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)A former colleague and friend of mine became a private pilot in the early 2000s. A whip-smart woman who had gone to law school, had a growing practice but fell under the spell of flying.
The day Wellstone died she was flying Norm Coleman to the site of the debate that night. Both planes were in the air at the same time. She was within ten air miles of the Wellstone plane when it went down.
We talked at length about it later. She was very badly shaken. The weather, she said, was chilly, not close to freezing, however, overcast and drizzly but absolutely no threat to any aircraft or licensed pilot. A normal autumn day in Minnesota.
She said, and I quote as close to verbatim as I can recall, "there was no reason, none, for that plane to do down. One minute it was there, the next minute it was gone. It was like something just knocked it out of the sky." Her only other surmise was that the pilot deliberately crashed the plane, which she dismissed out of hand as absurd, but that was the only other explanation she could think of.
And this woman was neither especially political nor a "conspiracy theorist." Yet in her heart of hearts she did believe that something DID "just knock it out of the sky."
villager
(26,001 posts)...political actors as all the other previous "coincidences" did.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 20, 2015, 06:54 PM - Edit history (1)
under, shall we say, unusual circumstances was of the left.
Medgar Evers
John Kennedy
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Malcolm X
Robert Kennedy
Paul Wellstone
"Mister Bond, once is an accident, twice is a coincidence. But three times is enemy action."
- Auric Goldfinger
villager
(26,001 posts)over the years, metaphorically (perhaps literally?) speaking...
And those deaths have helped pave the way.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)bond was right
hack89
(39,171 posts)The Board judged that while cloud cover might have prevented the flight crew from seeing the airport, icing did not affect the airplane's performance during the descent. Cockpit instrument readings on course alignment and airspeed should have prompted the flight crew to execute a go-around.
The Board did not find indications of any preexisting medical or other physical condition that might have adversely affected the crew's performance during the accident flight. Crew fatigue also does not appear to have been a factor in the accident. A review of flight crew records and interviews with co-workers, the Board said, indicated that both pilots had "previously demonstrated serious performance deficiencies consistent with below- average flight proficiency." There was no clear evidence as to which crewmember was the flying pilot at the time of the accident.
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NTSB_Cites_Flight_Crew_Failures_in_Crash_of_Airplane_Carrying_Senator_Wellstone_7_Others.aspx
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Michael Guess was a flight instructor. Reported it odd that Moussaoui was just interested in learning how to turn 747 toward a spot on the map, and not in taking off and landing.
Co-pilot played minor role in story of Moussaoui
Associated Press, 26 October 2002
MINNEAPOLIS - The co-pilot who died in the crash of Sen. Paul Wellstone's plane played a minor role in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged Sept. 11 conspirator who briefly attended an Eagan flight school.
Co-pilot Michael Guess had performed administrative work at the Pan Am International Flight Academy last year as he continued accumulating flying hours. There he met Moussaoui, the school's most infamous student.
Two former Pan Am program managers who tipped the FBI to Moussaoui's suspicious behavior at the school in August 2001 told the Star Tribune that Guess inadvertently gave Moussaoui unattended access to a computer program on flying a 747 jumbo jet.
One of the ex-managers said Guess placed a CD-ROM containing the 747 software at a work station in advance of one of Moussaoui's training sessions, before his flight instructor arrived. After Moussaoui was arrested and the FBI searched his belongings, they found the proprietary program copied on his laptop computer, the ex-manager said.
Guess was a victim of layoffs several weeks ago at the flight academy, where he had hoped to become a flight instructor.
At Executive Aviation in Eden Prairie, where Guess had been employed as a pilot since June 2001, a spokesman said colleagues remembered Guess telling them he had played a more significant role regarding the suspicions concerning Moussaoui.
Dave Mona, a spokesman for Executive Aviation, said Guess' colleagues had said that Guess had described himself as "at least a role player" in the detection of Moussaoui. Mona said Guess told his colleagues that "he and the receptionist . . . thought what (Moussaoui) was requesting was unusual" and raised the issue with others.
SOURCE: AP via http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/PWcopilot.html
Of course, the FBI defended Moussaoui's Fourth Amendment rights and refused to look into his laptop until Sept. 12, 2001. Guess died with Wellstone and the others. One of the other staffers at the flight school received a $5 million reward from the Department of Justice.
For those interested in the subject, and for new DUers and readers who may not remember Moussaoui's role:
Old News to you, hifiguy. To most people, unbelievable, but true: Know your BFEE: The Stench of Moussaoui Permeates the Octopus
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)To become a flight instructor you have to be a very competent and experienced pilot.
Had the pilot of PW's plane been that incompetent, the co-pilot would have immediately assumed command of the flight. Anyone with a flight instructor's skills and experience would have been able to anticipate and prevent any normal difficulty the plane might have met due to pilot error.
Which means that something very abnormal happened to that plane.
malaise
(269,114 posts)Between anthrax and plane crashes, it's no wonder Dems went silent.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Pukes don't care about people who care.
'Shadow Government' News To Congress
Dem Leaders Say They Werent Told; GOP Staffers Not Sure
White House Casts Light On 'Shadow'
WASHINGTON, March 5, 2002 (CBS)
Quote: This is not the kind of thing you tell 10, 50 or 100 senators. If you do, you might as well tell the world." Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss.
(CBS) After lawmakers complained that they were kept in the dark, White House officials on Tuesday briefed top members of Congress about the "shadow government" that President Bush set up outside Washington as a safeguard against terrorism.
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said two top Bush aides briefed Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., and Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D. on Tuesday, and House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., "had been previously informed."
But House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., was not part of Tuesday's session. His spokesman Erik Smith said Gephardt did not know about the meeting until it ended. He said he did not know why Gephardt was not invited.
"We're disappointed, we don't understand why they would choose not to invite Mr. Gephardt," Smith said.
Fleischer told reporters that Gephardt's absence was "a scheduling matter," but when pressed on whether Gephardt was invited, Fleischer replied, "I don't make all the invitations here at the White House.
CONTINUED
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-casts-light-on-shadow/
People are resources (things) to be used.
malaise
(269,114 posts)Amazing after the 2000 elections
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Posted to dispel the inevitable 'BFEE killed him!!1!1' conspiracy theory nonsense.
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Poppy Bush warned FBI -- AFTER -- JFK assassinated.
In the hour of the death of President John F. Kennedy, Texas oilman George Herbert Walker Bush named a suspect to the FBI in a "confidential" phone call. He then added he was heading for Dallas. Skeptics need not take my word for it, that's what Poppy told the FBI:
Here's a transcript of the text:
TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63
FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL
SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY
At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.
BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.
BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.
BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.
# # #
Gee. Why was Poppy Bush in Dallas when JFK was assassinated?
Could it be, he was on official business? I suspect he was on Secret Government business. After all, his eldest son bragged during his Texas Air National Guard and Harvard grad school days that his daddy was CIA.
Here's an FBI document from the same week of the assassination in which FBI Director J Edgar Hoover briefed one "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." Some strange coincidence there, wot?
Here's a transcript of the above:
Date: November 29, 1963
To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State
From: John Edgar Hoover, Director
Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963
Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.
Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.
An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.
The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.
# # #
I do remember that GHWB was head of the CIA when the Church and Pike committees were looking into the CIA assassination programs. He made things all friendly-like and turned what had been a serious hunt for truth under previous DCI Colby into another dog-and-pony show that was big on show and light on facts.
Regarding Dallas: Now I don't know if Poppy was a trigger man, was only there to watch what happened or what just happened to be there. I do know Poppy Bush has never explained these memos. He's never even admitted where he was the day JFK was killed.
Seeing how he would go on to become President, as would his dim son, I believe it's vitally important that we learn the Truth.
Why? The United States and the world haven't been the same since November 22, 1963. And not a single major player in the nation's mass media have stepped up and demanded a real investigation. So, it's up to us, We the People.
What's more, Poppy Bush sheltered mass-murdering jet-bombing terrorists like Luis Posada Carriles. You know, Pinochet's friend.
Thanks for reminding me.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Never since the dawn of aviation have aircraft crashed.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Wayne fucking Maden.
Promoting and legitimizing an homophobic piece of filth like Madsen at DU should get you banned.
Can you believe that? Using Wayne Madsen to defend Paul Wellstone is fucking atrocious.
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I will tell you: Your sappy phrase, "fucking atrocious," reminds me that for years you have rushed to defend the Bush crime family when I post about them on DU.
"Atrocious."
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)"The Israeli Lobby controls the Congress, media, Hollywood, Wall Street, both political parties, and the White House."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12/06/wayne-madsen-the-israeli-lobby-owns-the-congress-hollywood-and-the-whitehouse/
This is the kind of person you find acceptable to post here.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Which is strange, considering how Paul Wellstone was Jewish and from what I posted, Wayne Madsen was supporting his liberal, progressive and democratic perspectives.
If you and SidDithers of DU want anti-Semitic perspective, it would explain your defense of George HW Bush, a lifelong friend and longtime business and government associate of Allen Dulles. That guy was so corrupt, he failed to forward to FDR the reports smuggled out at great cost from NAZI Germany of The Holocaust.
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/every_president_has_been_manipulated_national_security_officials_david_talbot_investigates_americas_deep_state/
So, why you dump on me for pointing that out, nuclear dem?
villager
(26,001 posts)Actual conversation seems to be "off the table" from their perspective.
But I wonder what the constantly recurring correlation between conservatism and snark tells us?
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Jesus
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)What happened to the pilots that they veered off course for more than a mile on the approach then dangerously lowered their airspeed more than 50 mph below the recommended landing speed then ignored their stall horn warning plummeting to the ground at a 30 degree angle instead of a 3 degree angle without either one ever picking up the radio to communicate any problem?
I've never quite figured that one out. It's like both pilots fell asleep on approach. At least that is what the NTSB report you linked describes.
sarisataka
(18,729 posts)And brave man.
He is missed.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)You know who voted against DOMA and the Iraq War? Bernie Sanders.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Paulie
(8,462 posts)Got to meet him (and Jim Hightower) at a conference in Chicago back in like 1999.
Ha, found the article on it: http://chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng61.html#anchor1166103
Guests, speakers and panelists included a wide variety of stellar figures of the Left. Syndicated talk show host, Jim Hightower, was emcee for the Friday evening (Oct. 9) plenary session, and typified the tone of the conference. Sandwiched in among his hilarious down-home Texas jokes were serious calls to fight predatory corporations and embrace Joe six-pack.
Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone, the Left's primary preference for president in the 2000 election, key-noted the conference with an emphasis on the Left's need to join the middle and lower economic segments of society in a common effort for reform if needed changes are to be made in the electoral process. As opposed to the Republican's equating of morality with sex, he defined morality in terms of a living wage, affordable health care, quality education, adequate nutrition for all children and curbing domestic violence, all of which are true family values. Republicans cloak greed and selfishness behind the mantle of "individual opportunity". Wellstone wants us to campaign for education, health care and jobs, saying, "We all do better when we all do better".
Same needs, 16 years later...
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)Thank you for another outstanding thread Octafish!