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kimbutgar

(21,172 posts)
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:45 PM Oct 2015

I've come to the conclusion that to be a conservative today means you have to be mean to the poor

and do everything to make their lives miserable while praising the rich and kissing their butts for campaign donations.

Everyday I read articles how republican politicians are passing legislation and making comments attacking the poor. All they want to do is punch down on people who are suffering. And anyone that votes republicans better be careful because one day you might need help and those you voted for are going to punch you down.

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I've come to the conclusion that to be a conservative today means you have to be mean to the poor (Original Post) kimbutgar Oct 2015 OP
conservatism is all about making yourself feel better about your own plight by kicking downward Johonny Oct 2015 #1
maybe it is really easy KT2000 Oct 2015 #2
they lack the ability to empathize Skittles Oct 2015 #3
How do you explain how so many poor people vote conservative, then? frizzled Oct 2015 #4
In general, conservatives believe it all turns on self-reliance HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #6
If you look at the economic record, median incomes shrunk in the last 30 years under all presidents frizzled Oct 2015 #8
I have in laws who are one paycheck away from being poor and asking for snap and other help kimbutgar Oct 2015 #9
It seems to me that actual left-wingers would be paying people like your inlaws more attention frizzled Oct 2015 #10
You can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink. kimbutgar Oct 2015 #16
Poor white people vote conservative KamaAina Oct 2015 #11
What would you do to get their vote? frizzled Oct 2015 #12
Well, there was this guy in Georgia way back in 1912 or thereabouts KamaAina Oct 2015 #13
You would have to be a finger pointing hypocrite and never take personal responsibility B Calm Oct 2015 #5
Republicans are like the militant preppers. They only care about themselves and screw everyone else AZ Progressive Oct 2015 #7
Being a conservative means one is a selfish prick. Yes it is that simple. YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #14
Yes, but it's strictly for the poor's own good and that of society. Hortensis Oct 2015 #15
we live in Pimp World now olddots Oct 2015 #17

Johonny

(20,865 posts)
1. conservatism is all about making yourself feel better about your own plight by kicking downward
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:55 PM
Oct 2015

so long as you are better off (or at least pretend to be better off), more moral, harder working, more patriotic... than that other guy (typically defined by race, religion, sexual orientation, gender) then you'er doing okay. The fact you aren't doing okay and your angry as hell about not doing okay doesn't seem to matter just so long as you can feel superior to brand X.

Democrats tend to want to make peoples lives better. Republicans just want to feel like their life IS better, no matter if it is or isn't. The results on the conservative end would be rather comical if only they didn't hurt us all in the process.

KT2000

(20,585 posts)
2. maybe it is really easy
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 06:24 PM
Oct 2015

to turn people against each other. It does seem to be preferable to taking on the corporate welfare and military industrial sector. Conservatives truly enjoy causing pain, alienation, and contempt for those they consider less than. Now it is each one trying to outdo the other. They really are bullies/abusers.

Skittles

(153,170 posts)
3. they lack the ability to empathize
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 08:45 PM
Oct 2015

with them it is all ME, ME, ME - which is why they only GET IT when it happens to THEM

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. In general, conservatives believe it all turns on self-reliance
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:16 PM
Oct 2015

unless they're in a position to trickle on the little people.

For those who are placed to trickle down on people...there is no limit to the handouts available.

 

frizzled

(509 posts)
8. If you look at the economic record, median incomes shrunk in the last 30 years under all presidents
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:06 AM
Oct 2015

It's not clear why the poor should believe EITHER party will help them.

kimbutgar

(21,172 posts)
9. I have in laws who are one paycheck away from being poor and asking for snap and other help
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

But they have always voted republican and were brainwashed into believing the Democratic Party are losers who give away their hard earned money. One came into work on Monday, got laid off and found out a week later they hired someone at half her pay for her job. She defended the employer saying it was her right for the boss to maintain the bosses salary. Another got hurt at work, couldn't work and ended up losing his rental but still blamed the Democrats in his state for the 2008 crash that cut off disability in their state! Even though it was a republican controlled state!

kimbutgar

(21,172 posts)
16. You can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:03 PM
Oct 2015

I was told by these relatives that my college textbooks are wrong and they are right. How do you argue or change the minds of fools?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. Poor white people vote conservative
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:04 PM
Oct 2015

because conservatives use constant shrieking dog whistles to paint the Dems as the party of "those people".

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
13. Well, there was this guy in Georgia way back in 1912 or thereabouts
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:19 PM
Oct 2015

who did pretty well convincing poor white folks that the real enemy was not blacks, but the wealthy, who were keeping both poor whites and blacks down. Probably easier in the days before corporate-controlled mass media, though.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
5. You would have to be a finger pointing hypocrite and never take personal responsibility
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:08 PM
Oct 2015

for anything.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
7. Republicans are like the militant preppers. They only care about themselves and screw everyone else
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:04 AM
Oct 2015

Militant preppers are big on guns and defending their own property with weapons once shtf. They don't give a damn about people in need. It's all about themself. They see other people that they don't know as the enemy.

Republicans only care about their own selves and have little ability to care about people they don't know, especially if there's no other incentive to help them (now, if they get praised as a hero, thats a different story.)

Republicans don't want equality in this world. And American protestantism and capitalism gives them excuses to not give a shit about others, whether it is that the poor are "eternally damned by God" or the poor are "shiftless lazy bums" that are "losers" in the game of money that American capitalism has basically made money out to be.

Los Angeles was a Republican stronghold until the Aerospace industry there collapsed. Aerospace of course employed lots of people who didn't give a damn shit about killing other people in other countries. Many of them left Los Angeles and headed to other western states.

Republican people are often nasty people on the insides, no matter how nice they appear on the outside.

Now, this is not to say that all liberals are much better, as I feel that many liberals are just liberal only in certain things and still have the conservative style nastiness in other things. A lot of rich liberals come to mind.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Yes, but it's strictly for the poor's own good and that of society.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:41 PM
Oct 2015

Really. It's a moral thing, you see. Or, at least, THEY see.

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