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Can the conspiracy theories finally be put to rest? An incriminating photograph which showed Lee Harvey Oswald in his backyard, holding the same type of rifle used to assassinate President John F. Kennedy, has been confirmed as authentic after an examination using the latest forensic techniques.
Theories that the photo was a fake have been used to cast doubt on the evidence pointing to Oswald as the sole assassin of the President on November 22, 1963.
Oswald, killed before he could stand trial, claimed the photo, in which he brandished a rifle in one hand and Marxist newspapers in the other, had been faked when shown it by Dallas Police. Its veracity was examined by The Warren Commission and the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
Now researchers at Dartmouth College, New Hampshire, have used a new digital image forensics technique and a 3-D model of Oswald, for the study, published in the Journal of Digital Forensics.
Our detailed analysis of Oswald's pose, the lighting and shadows and the rifle in his hands refutes the argument of photo tampering, said senior author Hany Farid, a professor of computer science and a pioneering researcher in digital forensics whose team develops mathematical and computational techniques to detect tampering in photos, videos, audios and documents.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/john-f-kennedys-assassination-photo-showing-lee-harvey-oswald-with-gun-used-to-kill-former-president-a6699751.html
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Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Jesus
Octafish
(55,745 posts)From what Jack D. White told the House Select Committee on Assassinations:
Mr. GENZMAN. Based on your findings, what is your conclusion about the backyard photographs?
Mr. WHITE. Well, just as Oswald said, I think they are fakes.
Mr. GENZMAN. Do you regard these fakes as sophisticated or crude?
Mr. WHITE. They are extremely sophisticated, although they are not so sophisticated that the fakery cannot be detected. I deal in the graphic arts area all the time in my job. We frequently deal with photographers, commercial artists, people who do this sort of work. If we were to undertake to fabricate a photograph like either of these, we would go to an expert to do it. We would get somebody who was an expert photographer, an expert artist, or a commercial art studio, because it is obvious that to fabricate the head onto the body and then the body onto the background, several sophisticated techniques must be used, including a matting process. Matting, for the people who don't know about graphics, involves the use of masks and a pin-register system so that you can exactly superimpose something onto a background without the superimposure being noticeable. What you do is take the figure that you are going to superimpose on the background, and you cut a mask around this figure. You make a positive and a negative of this, using one of them to outline the figure and the other to knock out of the background the area in which you want to print the figure. It is a very sophisticated procedure. It is not something that the average person could do. These were not made, in my opinion, by somebody with just a pair of scissors and some paste.
Mr. GENZMAN. Do you have an opinion as to whether Oswald hypothetically could have made these fakes?
Mr. WHITE. Even though he said to Will Fritz that he knew something about photography and could demonstrate how these photos were made. I don't think he could have acquired the expertise to fabricate them in the few months he worked at Jaggars Chiles-Stovall in Dallas.
Mr. GENZMAN. Why do you think these fakes were made?
Mr. WHITE. It is fairly obvious after the fact that they were made to implicate Oswald in the alleged assassination by tying him to the assassination weapon.
SOURCE: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo/hscawhte.htm
Speaking of left out, how much do you think War Inc sends Dartmouth's way each year?
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Keep up the good fight Octafish, your not alone in hating the Bush Family and their history of NAZI loving war mongering.
Fuck all those who defend them. SERIOUSLY. Bitter people who live in a small world.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)The self-important delusion is more like it.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Says the carefully chosen persona username.
Irony x 12,506
JESUS
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)OMG this this is funny....
snooper2
(30,151 posts)You haven't seen funny
This is what funny looks like
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)arigato and good night!
That's 2:07 I'll never get back.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Hey, at least you got to peddle your stale CTs a few weeks early this year.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)A new book shows why a five-year-old study draws the sudden attention of Rupert Murdoch and friends.
Every president has been manipulated by national security officials: David Talbot exposes Americas deep state
From World War II though JFK, "The Devil's Chessboard" explores how Allen Dulles used the CIA as a tool of elites
LIAM O'DONOGHUE
Salon.com, Oct. 15, 2015
This years best spy thriller isnt fiction its history. David Talbots previous book, the bestseller Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years explored Robert F. Kennedys search for the truth following his brothers murder. His new work, The Devils Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of Americas Secret Government, zooms out from JFKs murder to investigate the rise of the shadowy network that Talbot holds ultimately responsible for the presidents assassination.
This isnt merely a whodunit story, though. Talbots ultimate goal is exploring how the rise of the deep state has impacted the trajectory of America, and given our nations vast influence, the rest of the planet. To thoroughly and honestly analyze (former CIA director) Allen Dulless legacy is to analyze the current state of national security in America and how it undermines democracy, Talbot told Salon. To really grapple with what is in my book is not just to grapple with history. It is to grapple with our current problems.
Just as Americas current national security apparatus has used terrorism as a justification for spying on American citizens, torture, and the annihilation of innocent civilians as collateral damage, Talbot places these justifications in a Cold War context, by showing how spymaster Allen Dulles shrugged off countless atrocities using the threat of communism. For readers unfamiliar with Dulles history, the first few chapters are like being splashed in the face with a bucket of ice water. Talbots assertion that Dulles is a psychopath is hard to dismiss after the intelligence agent is shown covering up the Holocaust prior to Americas intervention into World War II by keeping crucial information exposing the horrors of concentration camps from reaching President Roosevelt. Allen Dulles and his fellow Cold Warriors saw Russia, a U.S. ally during World War II not Nazi Germany as the real enemy.
Jumping from geopolitical strategy to the psychological realm, Talbot details how it was not only enemies who had reason to fear Dulles, but his own friends and family, as well. The book veers into a dark, terrifying investigation of the MKUltra Project, a hideous mind control program developed by the CIA during Dulles reign as director, that dosed unsuspecting people with LSD, pushed the limits of sleep deprivation and engaged in other deeply unethical experiments. The program has been exposed, bit by bit, over decades, thanks to lawsuits and previous investigative reporting, but Talbot sheds light on how Dulles subjected his own son and attempted to enroll his wife in these hideous therapies.
By the time The Devils Chessboard eventually climaxes with the events that unfolded in Dallas in 1963, Talbots argument that Dulles had both the power and temperament to execute such a plot is more than believable. Dulles favorite word about someone was whether they were useful or not, Talbot said. And thats the way he thought of everyone to what extent could he use them.
CONTINUED...
It's connecting the dots the CIA Controlled & Corporate Owned News will never mention, even if their secret Swiss bank accounts depended on it.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)This poster should not be allowed to do to other DUers what others are not allowed to do. This is a blatant call out of a DUer and the poster is leveling charges at Octafish and has become a one-man campaign to insult and demean a fellow DUer.
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Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Dear Jurors,
Thank you!
Jesus
randome
(34,845 posts)...is automatically a call-out to Octafish? That's some weird logic going on.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)if Sid wasn't referring to Octafish in this way (as he has done before), then to what/whom was he referring?
And, why do you feel the need to defend Sid?
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Thanks ChisolmTrailDem.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Are you new here? Welcome aboard....
some people make du suck.
We all know who he was talking about, to my surprise so did the Jurors.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)and you did also.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
Rex
(65,616 posts)You know you are doing something right when the swarm makes a thread and fails miserably at it!
LHO had the same type of gun as the one used to kill JFK...LOL!...this shit writes itself!
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)Do the CTists know how ridiculous they sound? Why not impugn the latest scientific methods that were used to prove the Oswald photo is authentic? Do you know how much $ goes into scientific research these days? Surely the BFEE is directing all of that $ to cover up their evils!!
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)It was a horrific, traumatic national tragedy that left a lasting scar on the United States (and the world, for that matter), and an intensely personal tragedy and horror for the entire Kennedy family. But at the same time, we know who did it.
I guess you can fool some of the people all the time....
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)And want all talk of it to end.
Usually, it is people who weren't even born at the time of the JFK assassination.
but I seen this guy on the science channel the other day. Can't remember what kind of a scientist he is or what the show was about but I about choked on my drink when they cut to him and his mug LOL
I thought he was some actor or something all this time. Again LOL
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)money saying that shit.
That you are unable to see through his schtick says all we need to know about you.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)else is allowed to do so?
Why is it you can call people out at will but as soon as I point out that you're Canadian I get hidden? Why are you alone allowed to do these things with immunity?
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:01 PM - Edit history (2)
They are dancing..
"They're like monkeys trying to control the air traffic lolol"
somehow it fits.
Here is the track
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Clearly this photograph eliminates any doubt that this was a lone gunman, acting alone, without the involvement of any others, by himself. Hell, he even made the gun in his home workshop. The ammo too. He even built the Texas Book Repository by himself, brick-by-brick. This is the proof.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)I even believe Oswald as A shooter. I'm not as convinced he was THE shooter.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Javaman
(62,521 posts)I'm completely convinced! LOL
This OP is great, there is a picture of LHO holding the same type of rifle used to kill JFK. Therefore the case is closed, I mean he has the same type of rifle!
It must be a horrible world to only have 1000 stars in the night sky. Poor CT deniers are almost as sad as CC deniers. I bet they float around in the same circles.
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Discount gun sellers sold them by mail for less than 25 Dollars. All it proves is that Oswald owned one. Poppy Bush would know.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)that travel in a semi circle it isn't the gun that was used to kill JFK.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...that makes Lee Harvey Oswald the obvious patsy and the Dallas FBI complicit. That this story has been known for decades and laughingly dismissed for as long, indicates the distance some Americans have yet to travel on their way to political awareness.
Thanks for posting.
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Darb
(2,807 posts)Kind of looks like it does, there in the dark of his shirt.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Was he the only shooter---I'm not sure about that.
I do think he was part of a group that wanted Kennedy dead. Jack Ruby wasn't some pissed off guy who killed Oswald out of anger for him killing Kennedy. mho
Darb
(2,807 posts)This picture is probably part of the set-up. That rifle has a scope, so I doubt it is the one used , allegedly, by him, and the one left behind in the building.
Darb
(2,807 posts)not sure why I had an image of a rifle without a scope as the one that was left in the building that day, but I did. Looked it up, definitely has a scope on it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)and have cheap scopes mounted to them in a kind of "dock-side engineering" process. Then a consumer could order a cheap "hunting" rifle. Alternatively, some consumers would purchase a good quality military rifle (better than the Cacarno) and have a local smith do the job for her or him. The scopes were usually more expensive than the rifle, a common phenomenon to this day. Now, purpose-built rifles capable of putting a 3-shot group within an inch at 100 yds can be had new for $500 -- some including scopes. Adapting these old rifles for hunting purposes has all but disappeared.
librechik
(30,674 posts)at least not a rifle.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)there is no firm conclusion that Oswald fired a gun that day, and much to show otherwise.
So what? If I'm labeled a "CTer" with venom, how viable is the rest of the conversation--oh I could respond "and you sir are a clueless tool of the state!" But where does that get us? You do not accept me as an authority in the conversation. You believe I am a silly credulous liar. Therefore, I no longer wish to have dialogue with you and your bias. I withdraw. Venom is not a good atmosphere for sharing viewpoints and trading news. In my humble opinion.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)My post said "link please". I never heard it before and was interested in reading about it.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Obviously you've never read the Warren Report.
BTW - paraffin tests were and are unreliable. Law enforcement knew that back when they ran those tests on Oswald. Such tests were used to intimidate people into believing the law had evidence against them. To assert that a faulty test given to Oswald proved guilt or innocence is laughable. All it does is display the abject ignorance of the person making the claim.
villager
(26,001 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)It is comical watching people bring up the Master Spy as the pillar of truth.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)And if we're going to play guilt-by-association games....anything said by Paul Craig Roberts, etc. is automatically suspect because of his anti-Semitism and such. Also, because what he says is misleading CT bullshit.
ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)Same page, you and i. There was a conspiracy. There was more than one shooter. That doesn't make Oswald innocent.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Seriously, it's over now.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Not following.
randome
(34,845 posts)But it was Jambi who killed JFK. Just look at the...'man'...whatever. He reeks of evil! I mean if he can make a boy fly, he can do anything!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Ok now it's over.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Americans don't listen to experts anymore. People believe what they want to believe.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)The evidence has been there for decades and it hasn't meant a thing to the CTists, especially the self aggrandizing ones who truly believe they not only are privy to some hidden truth about the assassination, but who also believe they are doing the world a valuable service by peddling their evidence-bereft theories.
I'm sure this thread will soon be overtaken bybthe CTists, answering questions with questions and presenting unfounded assertions as if they were facts.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)then you're part of the conspiracy. It's just like arguing with creationists.
The people who tell you to "keep an open mind" are often the most close-minded of them all.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)It's the same with every conspiracy loon.
Facts are meaningless to them
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Or something.
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)on Allen Dulles and the CIA. In America, it's common for appointed individuals to have far more power than those we elect, as they serve with little accountability, like Dulles right up until JFK fired him.
Oswald was the killer, of that I'm convinced, but his history is remarkable. No way he was working on his own.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)but I'm midway through 'JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters', by James Douglas. Anyone who still wants to question the very close association of Oswald with the CIA can read this very thorough and well documented book and get back to me.
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)GreatCaesarsGhost
(8,584 posts)Step back and imagine him wearing a football helmet. He'd look ridiculous.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I have no doubt LHO was a patsy for someone, but I never questioned that photo. Of course that is him holding the same kind of rifle with papers and a pistol on his hip. He bought into the role hook line and sinker.
No doubt he also used it to shoot at JFK. I never understood why people thought the photo was fixed, sounded like more invented lore to make the issue more complex than it was.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)so its authenticity was never really in doubt
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)The only reason I think it can be called into question is because there is no shadow on the paper but angles can be tricky.
trumad
(41,692 posts)I think that says something.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)It's very hard to fake such a crappy picture (meaning the film isn't great, the camera probably was an "instant", etc.)
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)This is how Jim Garrison et al. got involved.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)In 1963 New Orleans, George Joannides was paymaster, at least, of the fanatical anti-Castro group, DRE. One of its members, Dr. Carlos Bringuier, got in a famous public confrontation with the president of the New Orleans chapter of the pro-Castro group Fair Play for Cuba Committee, Lee Harvey Oswald.
In 1979 Washington DC, George Joannides became the second CIA liaison to the House Select Committee on Assassinations. There he managed to slow-walk every file requested, denied investigators access to files that Congress had requested, as well as made it near impossible for the HSCA investigation to proceed. Of course, CIA never mentioned to HSCA that Mr. Joannides had also been part of the very subject area they were investigating, Oswald in New Orleans.
Details: http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/present-at-the-cover-up-jfk-investigator-recounts-how-a-cia-man-stonewalled-congress/
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Let a guy make a joke about states and guns, will ya?
former9thward
(31,997 posts)They are very clear in other versions. "Daily Worker" and "The Militant".
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)I admit laziness on my part, I just used the photo they had with the article.
former9thward
(31,997 posts)Just thought it was sorta weird given the rest of the photo is clear.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)I don't care what his apologists say. All of the actual evidence points to Oswald being the lone gunman.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The questions are: a) Was there another shooter, likely behind the grassy knoll? and b) Who put Oswald up to it?
Jan Bunson
(35 posts)How does that photo prove he was where he wasn't?
Oswald was sipping a soda while the shooting was being done.
I was told that there are paid trolls on DU.
I believe it.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)a signed confession, and footage of him pulling the goddamned trigger. Wait, WHAT?
Logical
(22,457 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)for my thoughts on the now authenticated picture. Even in those days leading up to 2003 when I was a conspiracy theorist, I never bought the doctored photograph idea.