it became by 2005/2006. Had Kerry run in 2008 I'm sure he would have caught heat for it same as the others.

Because people are falling all over themselves to pretend Biden is so much "less corporate" and further left than Clinton, when he voted for the war and always voted with the credit card companies.

Also that argument that they didn't know what a clusterfuck it would be negates the entire argument against Clinton, which was she should have known she was being lied to and what would happen. I disagree strongly with her vote. I protested the war for sometime before the US went in and after. I opposed the war to the best of my ability. I absolutely held the vote against Clinton in 2008, but it is now 8 years later. There is no logical reason for people to be more angry now than they were in 2004, particularly when they speak well of others, like John Kerry, who voted for the war.

I do not believe the opposition to Clinton is about issues. While the war vote is a legitimate issue, that they hold it against her above all others suggests something else is going on. People refuse to look at any of Clinton's actual proposed policies and even most of her voting record and instead repeat a bunch of slogans. They aren't interested in evidence, just preexisting beliefs. If the disagreement were about policy, they would at least look at her proposed policies. They do not want to, and refuse to even when one provides links. Something else is going on.

Intervention, intervention, intervention. Regime change, regime change, regime change. She supported the entire trifecta. Unlike Biden, and possibly Kerry, she never learns. It's one thing to display bad judgment once on such matters-- another thing entirely to always choose the wrong path. Starts to look like a bad tendency, a character flaw. Her foreign policy, right now, is identical to most of the Repub field--she and Snarly Fiorina and Little Marco have the same Syria no-fly zone idea, and the purpose of it is to assert ourselves in Syria and push back on Russia. Let's not pretend that anyone gives a shit about refugees, at this point.

Unlike Biden or Kerry? They are part of the same administration that conducted those policies. Yet you say unlike Biden and Kerry? Based on what do you make that comment? Certainly not any positions on those subject matters.

Her foreign policy differs significantly from the GOP and every other candidate in one key respect: She knows what the hell she is talking about. She is well informed and knows what potential policies are under discussion, so she doesn't fumble all over herself making statements like "there should be no ground troops" when no one is even proposing that.

I never did, I don't now. Her instincts are awful.

Being on the wrong side of the single most obviously stupid and evil war in American history makes you either stupid, malicious or unbelievably cynical yourself. I put Hillary in the latter category.

I do not believe the opposition to Clinton is about issues.

What's so hard to believe about it?

There's nothing wrong, in general, with being a single issue voter. If someone wants to reject neocon wars and everyone who supports them, they should certainly do everything they can to ensure Hillary loses the nomination. Such a person should also bear in mind that Hillary is much more likely to be constrained from starting wars by the Democrats than even a Republican with anti-war tendencies would be by their own party.

The question is why hold the Iraq War vote against Clinton and no one else. People voted for Kerry in 2004, and don't hold the war vote against him or Biden. A poster above just said unlike them, she doesn't learn, yet they are part of the same administration that carried out the policies in Libya and Syria. There is a bizarre disconnect happening that prompts people to say things like that.

Clinton is far from a neocon, but evidently you are among those who think the US conducted no wars before PNAC.

And Clinton is not far from the neoconnish position of "let's bomb middle eastern countries and give unqualified support to whatever Israel wants".

Opposition to the war was politically incorrect and a long way outside of being acceptable. I think the only person saying what we thought in public was Mike Moore.

primary would remember. Kerry was hated on DU . only difference now is the hate has been put on other democrats.

it's a certain type i recognize well and i can't take seriously.

The firsts was the Anybody But Bush mantra that was the theme for most lefties. It didn't matter that Kerry voted for it because he wasn't bush and it was bushs war.

The second reason is what happens every year. Once the candidate is selected everyone with time starts to adore that candidate and dismiss anything negative about him or her. Shit, bush was supposedly awful for the environment but Obama has been the biggest driver of drill baby drill and frack baby frack ever. We can live with it for some reason.

Hilary's war votes won't count against her

In the primary was b/c of IWR vote.

I held my nose and voted for him in GE.

I no longer hold my nose.