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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould you kill baby Hitler?
The internet couldn't stop talking about Hitler on Friday afternoon, all thanks to The New York Times Magazine.
The magazine provided a perfect diversion for the internet's Benghazi-adled minds with the ultimate quandary: if you could travel back in time, would you kill an infant Adolf Hitler?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/baby-hitler-nyt-magazine-twitter
I always think about that when I hear forced birth proponents saying "Oh, that fetus could be the next Einstein!"
Yes and that fetus could be the next Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot.
Bucky
(54,013 posts)there was no cheese. I swear to God, I can't parse it out, but apparently in a world without Hitler, all cheese production, everything from loamy goat bries to dry crumbly Muensters to spicy pepper Jacks to good old chedders... simply stops being produced. I immediately jumped back into my time machine and killed myself before I could kill baby Hitler and learned my lesson!
Don't tamper with time.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)You went there in the WheyBack Machine?
Bucky
(54,013 posts)But honestly I Camembert another round of cheese puns
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Unfortunately, after killing Hitler, you were supposed to invent the flying car.
D'oh.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Heck, raise him Jewish.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)Which is all the little bastard wanted for himself, anyway.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)'I believe I am Hitler's grandson': French plumber tells his astonishing family story... and produces a chilling photo of his father
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126591/Philippe-Loret-believes-Adolf-Hitlers-grandson-French-plumber-tells-family-story.html
He has his grandfather's eyes. See picture at link.
Hitler had son with French teen
Adolf Hitler had a son with a French teenager while serving as a soldier during the First World War, according to new evidence.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9088865/Hitler-had-son-with-French-teen.html
Proof That Hitler Had An Illegitimate Son
New evidence has emerged to support the controversial claim that Hitler had a son with a French teenager, the French magazine LePoint reported on Friday.
The man, Jean-Marie Loret, claimed to be the Fuhrer's son in 1981, when he published an autobiography called "Your Father's Name Was Hitler." He died four years later aged 67, not being able to prove his family line.
But Loret's Paris lawyer, François Gibault, told the French magazine that a number of photographs and documents can now support the claim.
http://news.discovery.com/history/hitlers-illefitimate-son-120218.htm
Bucky
(54,013 posts)would choose to grow a mustache. Really, it doesn't help.
Yes, the eyes are a dead giveaway.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Tanuki
(14,918 posts)Amon Goeth, the sadistic concentration camp commandant in Schindler's List, was her grandfather:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/black-german-woman-learned-grandfather-top-nazi-article-1.2111772
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)That would produce one of those temporal conundrums that people who contemplate time travel like to muse about.
My father, shortly after surviving the holocaust, made his way to the US as he had no immediate family left in Germany.
He met my mom here. Without what happened, I am sure my father stays in Germany with his family.
Beyond that, could I kill a baby, even a baby Hitler knowing what was to come? I am not sure that I could.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)And saved us all a lot of grief.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)someone else stepped up to fill the void? Maybe the substitute Hitler would be a competent war leader.
What if WW2 never happened and something worse were to occur?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)a conflict and the subsequent conversation regarding the horror of their use, probably prevented the use of those weapons at the beginning or for the duration of any subsequent conflict.
Just consider what if the war in Europe had bogged down after D-Day on both fronts and the Japanese had managed to halt the advance of the US Island hopping campaign in the Pacific after Guadalcanal?
The summer of 1945 comes, the Japanese still hold a good swath of the Pacific, the Germans still hold two thirds of Western Europe and have consolidated half their gains in Russia and hold all of Eastern Europe and now the US has the atomic bomb. How many bombs would have then rained down on occupied Europe and Pacific Islands in order to win the war? I think the carnage would have been immense.
Now imagine no WWII. THe first nuclear fission occurred in 1938 and word was spread to fellow Physicists around the world. The idea that it could be made into a bomb quickly came to most scientists. What if it was made into a bomb by several countries and a major conflict happened subsequently before use of those kinds of bombs were outlawed and put into the category of chemical weapons and biological weapons? Instead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, many of these bombs would likely have been used and by two, three or even four or five different antagonists.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Why kill baby Hitler? He was defeated.
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)So him being defeated was not exactly a happy ending.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Hitler's replacement might have been more thorough.
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)the fact that Hitler lost the war - or that a few Jews survived - does not mean there was no need to bother stopping Hitler. It seems silly to argue about time travel, but your comment was pretty disturbing.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)...These "would you kill baby Hitler" queries always ignore the history behind what led Hitler to power in the first place as though if there were no Hitler, 1930s Germany would've been ice cream and fluffy bunnies.
Hitler was defeated because Hitler made horrible strategic blunders.
Someone else, and there would've been someone else, might not have.
It's the history major in me.
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)And I agree. Many people are capable of going down the road Hitler did, under the same conditions.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)<snip>
"The Late Philip J. Fry" is the ninety-fifth episode of Futurama, the seventh of the sixth production season and the seventh of the seventh broadcast season. It aired on 29 July, 2010, on Comedy Central. After the Professor invents a forward time machine, he, Fry and Bender accidentally go into the year 10,000. To return, they must keep going further into the future until an era when a backwards time machine has been built."
<snip>
"The time machine rapidly accelerates through the formation of the Earth, the extinction of the dinosaurs, and subsequent events in world history (with the Professor pausing only briefly to assassinate Adolf Hitler with a laser cannon). As they near their own time, they throttle the machine back, but accidentally skip forward to 10,000 AD a second time after the Professor falls down once more, forcing them to "go around again". The third trip happens without incident (although this time the Professor fails to kill Hitler and mistakenly shoots Eleanor Roosevelt), and the time machine materializes in the Professor's lab a short time before it originally left."
http://theinfosphere.org/The_Late_Philip_J._Fry
Jon Stewart rips Romney on Bain, taxes
<snip>
"Daily Show" host Jon Stewart returned to his set after a two-week vacation just in time to hammer Republican White House hopeful Mitt Romney over new questions about Romney's tenure at Bain and renewed calls for him to release more of his income tax returns.
Stewart struck upon a remark senior Romney adviser Ed Gillespie said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union," when he told chief political correspondent Candy Crowley that Romney "retroactively retired" from Bain Capital while he was heading the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics.
"I'm not saying that if you have a time machine you necessarily have to kill Hitler. But this retroactive retirement is the worst use of a time machine I have ever seen," Stewart joked."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/17/jon-stewart-rips-romney-on-bain-taxes/
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/t5tn85/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-democalypse-2012---bain-damage
Around the 5:00 minute mark.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)of a damn fine series.
spanone
(135,831 posts)sarisataka
(18,654 posts)Given the aftermath of WW1, Treaty of Versailles, rise of Communism and the Great Depression, another war was inevitable.
While unquestionably horrible, WW2 ended the colonial empires, raised the U.S. to prominence and reshaped the world into the imperfect jumble we have.
Without WW2, the U.S. likely remains extremely isolationist, European colonial empires remain intact, likely fighting proxy wars in the colonial areas. Societies in the mother countries become more strict and regimented to contain the Communist threat. Japan has a free hand in China but probably has no need to expand to the resources in southern Asia. Their military junta remains in unquestioned control behind the puppet Emperor.
There is no guarantee a Hitler-less world would be any better than it is today; quite possibly it could be even worse.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)wait and make him run naked through the streets of Berlin in 1939.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)a lot of unpleasantness could have been avoided.
Brother Buzz
(36,429 posts)Or is it a butterfly?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect
Stephen King's novel, "11/22/63", played with the idea, only Lee Harvey Oswald was the subject. For a non enthusiastic science fiction reader, I really enjoyed the book.
Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)Or try to prevent the spanish inquisition? The crusades? See where this is going? Where would you stop? No, I'm glad we can't travel back in time and mess with the past.
nolabear
(41,963 posts)I assume if you could kill him you could do any of myriad things that would change his character, location, etc.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)I just have to kill that evil Mufti who told him what to do.
Thanks, Bibi!
Next question?
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Chopped him to pieces with an axe.
There still would've been a Holocaust.
My mouth was absolutely agape after Netanyahu's comment. I just can't believe he said that.
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)And since we can't really go back in time, he seems to be taking a stab at killing as many as he can now.
Am I the only one who thought (when he came out with that statement about it not being Hitler's idea) that he would take us into another Holocaust, if he could, only with the Arabs being slaughtered instead of the Jews? That maybe he was trying to get a foothold on a plan for vengeance?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Needless to say, the outcome was not quite as favorable as anticipated. Highly recommended.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,104 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Hitler wrote a very nice note of gratitude to the doctor after his mother died.
He wasn't an antisemite any more and probably less than the average German before WWI, it was that war and the loss by Germany that pushed him into antisemitism.
Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)It was his failed art career which allegedly pushed him "over the edge". He felt the Jews controlled the art community along with the monetary rule. When he went to fight for Germany in WWI, he became convinced the Jews were responsible for the war, as well as the loss. He tapped into that vein when trying to get followers.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Hitler didn't self identify as Austrian, he thought of himself as a German and it wasn't until after WWI that he became strongly antisemitic, particularly as being a rabble rouser started paying off as a career move for him.
The loss in 1918 came as a huge shock to most Germans including Hitler, by that point most of them wanted it over but war was actually an improvement in living standards for him and he was a true believer in the rightness of the German cause. The stabbed in the back meme seems to be what really pushed Hitler over the edge.
Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)It was a bone of contention for many in the early days of his rise to power. He wasn't a "real German". The irony, of course, is lost on many. His anti-Semitism was quite entrenched prior to the end of WWI. He, however, saw an opening and took it. It is also ironic that the "stabbed in the back" meme is what fomented his anti-Semitism because it has become quite popular again, even among the left.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)You might recall the Diane Rehm incident regarding her saying "Senator Sanders, you have dual citizenship with Israel".
"But you are on this list I got from a Facebook comment and didn't bother to verify, it seemed legit."
Diane Rehm is considered by many to be "among the left".
Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)The oldies are the goodies because they already have a past. Sadly, many don't look into what that past is.
JI7
(89,249 posts)people could easily have dealings with jewish people but still have anti jewish views. even today this would be true. but it was more common and accepted back then.
Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)It is more common now than most are willing to admit. There are those who always find excuses for it and accept depending on the topic/person. It isn't all that surprising seeing it "creep" into conversations where one would normally think it would never occur.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Initech
(100,075 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Evil begets evil and hate begets hate.
I would instead try and warn the world of the danger this man poses[/font]
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I think that makes a difference.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,845 posts)Baby Hitler, I'll check myself into a hospital. The odds of my having a mental illness are quite a bit greater than any time machine Hitler-killing scenario.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Iggo
(47,552 posts)Neither would you.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Just be nice to the thing. Better yet, don't have World War I.