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Human101948

(3,457 posts)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:30 PM Oct 2015

Would you kill baby Hitler?

The internet couldn't stop talking about Hitler on Friday afternoon, all thanks to The New York Times Magazine.

The magazine provided a perfect diversion for the internet's Benghazi-adled minds with the ultimate quandary: if you could travel back in time, would you kill an infant Adolf Hitler?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/baby-hitler-nyt-magazine-twitter

I always think about that when I hear forced birth proponents saying "Oh, that fetus could be the next Einstein!"

Yes and that fetus could be the next Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot.

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Would you kill baby Hitler? (Original Post) Human101948 Oct 2015 OP
I once went back and killed Hitler. But then when I returned to the present... Bucky Oct 2015 #1
I think you overdosed on Back to the Future... Human101948 Oct 2015 #2
It's Gouda you to notice Bucky Oct 2015 #5
That was you! lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #4
And buy Microsoft yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #36
Dead Zone - Should I kill Hitler? pintobean Oct 2015 #3
Great movie. RiffRandell Oct 2015 #25
no, I would prevent his parents from meeting Skittles Oct 2015 #6
Or kidnap baby Hitler and dump him in an orphanage in some other country. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #7
And set him up with a trust fund to send him to art school. Frank Cannon Oct 2015 #53
This Guy? PADemD Oct 2015 #8
I can't understand how Hitler's French grandchild Bucky Oct 2015 #10
They may be breeding young Hitlers to this day AngryAmish Oct 2015 #18
Interesting. Reminds me of the Black German woman who was stunned to learn that Tanuki Oct 2015 #29
Unfortunately, if I did so, I would cease to exist. My parents would not have met. stevenleser Oct 2015 #9
Hitler's parents should have used a conundrum... Human101948 Oct 2015 #11
What if you killed HItler or kept his parents from meeting and Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #12
All not hard to imagine. Just taking nuclear weapons as an example. Their use at the end of stevenleser Oct 2015 #13
Exactly! EL34x4 Oct 2015 #24
He also was responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews. Chemisse Oct 2015 #27
It was a happy ending for the Jews who survived. EL34x4 Oct 2015 #28
That may be, but Chemisse Oct 2015 #30
Sorry to disturb you but... EL34x4 Oct 2015 #31
Ahh, I see what you are saying. Chemisse Oct 2015 #33
Comedy Central weighs in... Scurrilous Oct 2015 #14
One of the very best episodes hifiguy Oct 2015 #20
we can't so the point is moot.... spanone Oct 2015 #15
No, sarisataka Oct 2015 #16
Nah, I'd probably just circumcise the little fucker and then ... 11 Bravo Oct 2015 #17
If he'd only been admitted to the Vienna Academy of Art hifiguy Oct 2015 #19
Could I travel back in time and just spin an ant aound backwards? Brother Buzz Oct 2015 #21
Why stop at Hitler? Why not go back and stop Napoleon's march into Russia? Blaukraut Oct 2015 #22
Why kill him? There are many other options. nolabear Oct 2015 #23
thanks to Bibi, I now know that I don't have to kill Hitler tishaLA Oct 2015 #26
You could've killed the evil Mufti. EL34x4 Oct 2015 #32
Bibi might suggest you would only have to kill all Arabs. Chemisse Oct 2015 #35
In the book "Making History" by Stephen Fry, somebody did just that. Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #34
"1945 sure was loud" Recursion Oct 2015 #37
Put him in a Jewish foster home. no_hypocrisy Oct 2015 #38
Hitler's mother was cared for by a Jewish doctor in her terminal battle with cancer Fumesucker Oct 2015 #42
Actually, he was Austrian and was quite the anti-Semite. Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #43
European borders were far more fluid in the past than we are used to now Fumesucker Oct 2015 #44
He didn't identify as Austrian, yet he was. Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #45
I think the biggest lesson from history is that people don't learn from history Fumesucker Oct 2015 #46
I agree! Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #47
also those anti semitic views were very common among many people JI7 Oct 2015 #48
It is the "some of my best friends" rule. Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #50
. NobodyHere Oct 2015 #39
Pat Robertson would! Initech Oct 2015 #40
No LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #41
Depends. Does he have that little moustache as a baby in this hypothetical? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #49
Bastard wore that moustache because it kept his gas mask sealed. Octafish Oct 2015 #57
If I ever get a time machine and I find LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #51
I simply went back and cloned him. But the results were imperfect. We got Republicans. Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #52
What---and have no NASA?! ;-) WinkyDink Oct 2015 #54
Of course, not. Iggo Oct 2015 #55
No. You don't have to, to change history. Octafish Oct 2015 #56

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
1. I once went back and killed Hitler. But then when I returned to the present...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:35 PM
Oct 2015

there was no cheese. I swear to God, I can't parse it out, but apparently in a world without Hitler, all cheese production, everything from loamy goat bries to dry crumbly Muensters to spicy pepper Jacks to good old chedders... simply stops being produced. I immediately jumped back into my time machine and killed myself before I could kill baby Hitler and learned my lesson!

Don't tamper with time.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
4. That was you!
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:38 PM
Oct 2015

Unfortunately, after killing Hitler, you were supposed to invent the flying car.

D'oh.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
53. And set him up with a trust fund to send him to art school.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 11:41 AM
Oct 2015

Which is all the little bastard wanted for himself, anyway.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
8. This Guy?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:46 PM
Oct 2015

'I believe I am Hitler's grandson': French plumber tells his astonishing family story... and produces a chilling photo of his father

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126591/Philippe-Loret-believes-Adolf-Hitlers-grandson-French-plumber-tells-family-story.html

He has his grandfather's eyes. See picture at link.

Hitler had son with French teen
Adolf Hitler had a son with a French teenager while serving as a soldier during the First World War, according to new evidence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9088865/Hitler-had-son-with-French-teen.html

Proof That Hitler Had An Illegitimate Son

New evidence has emerged to support the controversial claim that Hitler had a son with a French teenager, the French magazine LePoint reported on Friday.

The man, Jean-Marie Loret, claimed to be the Fuhrer's son in 1981, when he published an autobiography called "Your Father's Name Was Hitler." He died four years later aged 67, not being able to prove his family line.

But Loret's Paris lawyer, François Gibault, told the French magazine that a number of photographs and documents can now support the claim.

http://news.discovery.com/history/hitlers-illefitimate-son-120218.htm

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
10. I can't understand how Hitler's French grandchild
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:51 PM
Oct 2015

would choose to grow a mustache. Really, it doesn't help.

Yes, the eyes are a dead giveaway.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
29. Interesting. Reminds me of the Black German woman who was stunned to learn that
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:55 PM
Oct 2015

Amon Goeth, the sadistic concentration camp commandant in Schindler's List, was her grandfather:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/black-german-woman-learned-grandfather-top-nazi-article-1.2111772

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
9. Unfortunately, if I did so, I would cease to exist. My parents would not have met.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:47 PM
Oct 2015

That would produce one of those temporal conundrums that people who contemplate time travel like to muse about.

My father, shortly after surviving the holocaust, made his way to the US as he had no immediate family left in Germany.

He met my mom here. Without what happened, I am sure my father stays in Germany with his family.

Beyond that, could I kill a baby, even a baby Hitler knowing what was to come? I am not sure that I could.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
12. What if you killed HItler or kept his parents from meeting and
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:52 PM
Oct 2015

someone else stepped up to fill the void? Maybe the substitute Hitler would be a competent war leader.

What if WW2 never happened and something worse were to occur?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
13. All not hard to imagine. Just taking nuclear weapons as an example. Their use at the end of
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:08 PM
Oct 2015

a conflict and the subsequent conversation regarding the horror of their use, probably prevented the use of those weapons at the beginning or for the duration of any subsequent conflict.

Just consider what if the war in Europe had bogged down after D-Day on both fronts and the Japanese had managed to halt the advance of the US Island hopping campaign in the Pacific after Guadalcanal?

The summer of 1945 comes, the Japanese still hold a good swath of the Pacific, the Germans still hold two thirds of Western Europe and have consolidated half their gains in Russia and hold all of Eastern Europe and now the US has the atomic bomb. How many bombs would have then rained down on occupied Europe and Pacific Islands in order to win the war? I think the carnage would have been immense.

Now imagine no WWII. THe first nuclear fission occurred in 1938 and word was spread to fellow Physicists around the world. The idea that it could be made into a bomb quickly came to most scientists. What if it was made into a bomb by several countries and a major conflict happened subsequently before use of those kinds of bombs were outlawed and put into the category of chemical weapons and biological weapons? Instead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, many of these bombs would likely have been used and by two, three or even four or five different antagonists.

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
27. He also was responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:49 PM
Oct 2015

So him being defeated was not exactly a happy ending.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
28. It was a happy ending for the Jews who survived.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:52 PM
Oct 2015

Hitler's replacement might have been more thorough.

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
30. That may be, but
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015

the fact that Hitler lost the war - or that a few Jews survived - does not mean there was no need to bother stopping Hitler. It seems silly to argue about time travel, but your comment was pretty disturbing.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
31. Sorry to disturb you but...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:05 PM
Oct 2015

...These "would you kill baby Hitler" queries always ignore the history behind what led Hitler to power in the first place as though if there were no Hitler, 1930s Germany would've been ice cream and fluffy bunnies.

Hitler was defeated because Hitler made horrible strategic blunders.

Someone else, and there would've been someone else, might not have.

It's the history major in me.

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
33. Ahh, I see what you are saying.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:10 PM
Oct 2015

And I agree. Many people are capable of going down the road Hitler did, under the same conditions.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
14. Comedy Central weighs in...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:15 PM
Oct 2015
Futurama: The Late Philip J. Fry

<snip>

"The Late Philip J. Fry" is the ninety-fifth episode of Futurama, the seventh of the sixth production season and the seventh of the seventh broadcast season. It aired on 29 July, 2010, on Comedy Central. After the Professor invents a forward time machine, he, Fry and Bender accidentally go into the year 10,000. To return, they must keep going further into the future until an era when a backwards time machine has been built."

<snip>

"The time machine rapidly accelerates through the formation of the Earth, the extinction of the dinosaurs, and subsequent events in world history (with the Professor pausing only briefly to assassinate Adolf Hitler with a laser cannon). As they near their own time, they throttle the machine back, but accidentally skip forward to 10,000 AD a second time after the Professor falls down once more, forcing them to "go around again". The third trip happens without incident (although this time the Professor fails to kill Hitler and mistakenly shoots Eleanor Roosevelt), and the time machine materializes in the Professor's lab a short time before it originally left."

http://theinfosphere.org/The_Late_Philip_J._Fry




Jon Stewart rips Romney on Bain, taxes

<snip>

"Daily Show" host Jon Stewart returned to his set after a two-week vacation just in time to hammer Republican White House hopeful Mitt Romney over new questions about Romney's tenure at Bain and renewed calls for him to release more of his income tax returns.

Stewart struck upon a remark senior Romney adviser Ed Gillespie said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union," when he told chief political correspondent Candy Crowley that Romney "retroactively retired" from Bain Capital while he was heading the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics.

"I'm not saying that if you have a time machine you necessarily have to kill Hitler. But this retroactive retirement is the worst use of a time machine I have ever seen," Stewart joked."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/17/jon-stewart-rips-romney-on-bain-taxes/

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/t5tn85/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-democalypse-2012---bain-damage

Around the 5:00 minute mark.

sarisataka

(18,654 posts)
16. No,
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:37 PM
Oct 2015

Given the aftermath of WW1, Treaty of Versailles, rise of Communism and the Great Depression, another war was inevitable.

While unquestionably horrible, WW2 ended the colonial empires, raised the U.S. to prominence and reshaped the world into the imperfect jumble we have.

Without WW2, the U.S. likely remains extremely isolationist, European colonial empires remain intact, likely fighting proxy wars in the colonial areas. Societies in the mother countries become more strict and regimented to contain the Communist threat. Japan has a free hand in China but probably has no need to expand to the resources in southern Asia. Their military junta remains in unquestioned control behind the puppet Emperor.

There is no guarantee a Hitler-less world would be any better than it is today; quite possibly it could be even worse.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
17. Nah, I'd probably just circumcise the little fucker and then ...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:51 PM
Oct 2015

wait and make him run naked through the streets of Berlin in 1939.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
19. If he'd only been admitted to the Vienna Academy of Art
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:57 PM
Oct 2015

a lot of unpleasantness could have been avoided.

Brother Buzz

(36,429 posts)
21. Could I travel back in time and just spin an ant aound backwards?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:17 PM
Oct 2015

Or is it a butterfly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

Stephen King's novel, "11/22/63", played with the idea, only Lee Harvey Oswald was the subject. For a non enthusiastic science fiction reader, I really enjoyed the book.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
22. Why stop at Hitler? Why not go back and stop Napoleon's march into Russia?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:39 PM
Oct 2015

Or try to prevent the spanish inquisition? The crusades? See where this is going? Where would you stop? No, I'm glad we can't travel back in time and mess with the past.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
23. Why kill him? There are many other options.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:35 PM
Oct 2015

I assume if you could kill him you could do any of myriad things that would change his character, location, etc.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
26. thanks to Bibi, I now know that I don't have to kill Hitler
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:46 PM
Oct 2015

I just have to kill that evil Mufti who told him what to do.

Thanks, Bibi!

Next question?

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
32. You could've killed the evil Mufti.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:09 PM
Oct 2015

Chopped him to pieces with an axe.

There still would've been a Holocaust.

My mouth was absolutely agape after Netanyahu's comment. I just can't believe he said that.

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
35. Bibi might suggest you would only have to kill all Arabs.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:15 PM
Oct 2015

And since we can't really go back in time, he seems to be taking a stab at killing as many as he can now.

Am I the only one who thought (when he came out with that statement about it not being Hitler's idea) that he would take us into another Holocaust, if he could, only with the Arabs being slaughtered instead of the Jews? That maybe he was trying to get a foothold on a plan for vengeance?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
34. In the book "Making History" by Stephen Fry, somebody did just that.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:12 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.amazon.com/Making-History-Stephen-Fry/dp/1616955252

Needless to say, the outcome was not quite as favorable as anticipated. Highly recommended.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
42. Hitler's mother was cared for by a Jewish doctor in her terminal battle with cancer
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 03:45 AM
Oct 2015

Hitler wrote a very nice note of gratitude to the doctor after his mother died.

He wasn't an antisemite any more and probably less than the average German before WWI, it was that war and the loss by Germany that pushed him into antisemitism.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
43. Actually, he was Austrian and was quite the anti-Semite.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 03:52 AM
Oct 2015

It was his failed art career which allegedly pushed him "over the edge". He felt the Jews controlled the art community along with the monetary rule. When he went to fight for Germany in WWI, he became convinced the Jews were responsible for the war, as well as the loss. He tapped into that vein when trying to get followers.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
44. European borders were far more fluid in the past than we are used to now
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 04:16 AM
Oct 2015

Hitler didn't self identify as Austrian, he thought of himself as a German and it wasn't until after WWI that he became strongly antisemitic, particularly as being a rabble rouser started paying off as a career move for him.

The loss in 1918 came as a huge shock to most Germans including Hitler, by that point most of them wanted it over but war was actually an improvement in living standards for him and he was a true believer in the rightness of the German cause. The stabbed in the back meme seems to be what really pushed Hitler over the edge.



Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
45. He didn't identify as Austrian, yet he was.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 04:21 AM
Oct 2015

It was a bone of contention for many in the early days of his rise to power. He wasn't a "real German". The irony, of course, is lost on many. His anti-Semitism was quite entrenched prior to the end of WWI. He, however, saw an opening and took it. It is also ironic that the "stabbed in the back" meme is what fomented his anti-Semitism because it has become quite popular again, even among the left.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
46. I think the biggest lesson from history is that people don't learn from history
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 04:30 AM
Oct 2015

You might recall the Diane Rehm incident regarding her saying "Senator Sanders, you have dual citizenship with Israel".

"But you are on this list I got from a Facebook comment and didn't bother to verify, it seemed legit."

Diane Rehm is considered by many to be "among the left".

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
47. I agree!
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 04:45 AM
Oct 2015

The oldies are the goodies because they already have a past. Sadly, many don't look into what that past is.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
48. also those anti semitic views were very common among many people
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 05:06 AM
Oct 2015

people could easily have dealings with jewish people but still have anti jewish views. even today this would be true. but it was more common and accepted back then.



Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
50. It is the "some of my best friends" rule.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 05:21 AM
Oct 2015

It is more common now than most are willing to admit. There are those who always find excuses for it and accept depending on the topic/person. It isn't all that surprising seeing it "creep" into conversations where one would normally think it would never occur.

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
41. No
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 03:08 AM
Oct 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Evil begets evil and hate begets hate.

I would instead try and warn the world of the danger this man poses[/font]

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
49. Depends. Does he have that little moustache as a baby in this hypothetical?
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 05:21 AM
Oct 2015

I think that makes a difference.

LuvNewcastle

(16,845 posts)
51. If I ever get a time machine and I find
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 06:53 AM
Oct 2015

Baby Hitler, I'll check myself into a hospital. The odds of my having a mental illness are quite a bit greater than any time machine Hitler-killing scenario.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
56. No. You don't have to, to change history.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 11:57 AM
Oct 2015

Just be nice to the thing. Better yet, don't have World War I.

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