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Ian David

(69,059 posts)
Fri May 25, 2012, 07:16 PM May 2012

Man Admitted to Hospital for Kidney Stone, Discovers He's a Woman

"When I was about 6 years old, I started having these feminine feelings, but that was in the '60s. Wearing my mom's makeup, I thought I looked pretty," Crecelius told ABC News.

So when he went to the emergency room five years ago, he wasn't too shocked when the nurse told him she found traits of both genders in his ultrasound results.

He was intersex, meaning he had both male genitalia and internal female sex organs.

"The nurse is reading the ultrasound and says, 'Huh, this says you're a female,' Crecelius said. "It was very liberating. I had spent so much energy after the age of 13 constantly evaluating how people looked at me and acted towards me."


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Man Admitted to Hospital for Kidney Stone, Discovers He's a Woman (Original Post) Ian David May 2012 OP
Only because I really want to understand what do a person do with that information cindyperry2010 May 2012 #1
I suppose they discard which ever genetalia the person decides? angstlessk May 2012 #2
Why 'discard' anything? randome May 2012 #3
There isn't one answer that fits all --and you can bet also that we won't be providing it CreekDog May 2012 #10
She said she identified as a woman since she was a young Maraya1969 May 2012 #6
Years ago when I was in the hospital with my daughter the baby in the crib next to hers was jwirr May 2012 #20
When the condition is discovered at birth, often parents are pressured to choose Nikia May 2012 #21
I think that is called JitterbugPerfume May 2012 #4
that's a sweet story Voice for Peace May 2012 #5
God did it! xfundy May 2012 #7
I never read the comments. n/t Ian David May 2012 #9
He's a father of six KamaAina May 2012 #8
Technicalities aside, he would be a parent and they would be his children. randome May 2012 #11
I know a woman GObamaGO May 2012 #12
Maybe it's nature's way of hedging its bets, Baitball Blogger May 2012 #13
Evolution... YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #16
Jeesh, I miss the Weekly World News. Fla_Democrat May 2012 #14
This sounds like an episode of House. TheMightyFavog May 2012 #15
Yes, yes it was. Incitatus May 2012 #24
What happens when the individual is asked what sex (s)he is? meow2u3 May 2012 #17
Mitt Romney would ask for the birth certificate TomClash May 2012 #18
I think intersex people should be left alone to be who & what they are. Alameda May 2012 #19
Glad the man was happy with the news. BlueIris May 2012 #22
I wonder if right-wingers view this as a "lifestyle choice" Mister Ed May 2012 #23
"When I was about 6 years old, I started having these feminine feelings, Zorra May 2012 #25
I was wondering the exact same thing Digit May 2012 #26

cindyperry2010

(846 posts)
1. Only because I really want to understand what do a person do with that information
Fri May 25, 2012, 07:18 PM
May 2012

are they medically treated? what happens?

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
2. I suppose they discard which ever genetalia the person decides?
Fri May 25, 2012, 07:22 PM
May 2012

He has felt like a woman..perhaps ditch the dick? If he had felt like a man? unplug the uterus?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. Why 'discard' anything?
Fri May 25, 2012, 07:24 PM
May 2012

Maybe he/she is comfortable the way he/she is. Geeze, pronouns get difficult, though, don't they?

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
10. There isn't one answer that fits all --and you can bet also that we won't be providing it
Fri May 25, 2012, 07:45 PM
May 2012

the decision belongs to the person.

Maraya1969

(22,482 posts)
6. She said she identified as a woman since she was a young
Fri May 25, 2012, 07:32 PM
May 2012

girl so I'm assuming they will get rid of the penis. Or not. I don't know. But I know she sounded very happy to find out that she was female.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
20. Years ago when I was in the hospital with my daughter the baby in the crib next to hers was
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:21 PM
May 2012

diagnosed with this. The hospital was running tests to determine the sex of the child by determining the majority of signs toward one sex or the other. I and the babies mother talked quite a bit. After they determined the sex there would be surguries and hormones.

When I went home and told my mother she smiled and told me that our cousin had gone through this procedure. She was a very normal woman that I loved.

Genetic accidents do happen. Or at least I assume that it was genetic.

Nikia

(11,411 posts)
21. When the condition is discovered at birth, often parents are pressured to choose
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:22 PM
May 2012

Sometimes, the child feels very strongly about being the other gender from the one the parents picked though.
If I have an intersexed child, I would probably wait to see which gender they leaned towards and felt comfortable with. For some reason though, many people aren't comfortable with not knowing whether someone is male of female, even in small children who often aren't very gendered.
In this case, it could be possible that the parents did not know about their child being intersexed. If they did know, though, it wasn't good that they kept it from her especially knowing her about her early gender issues.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
8. He's a father of six
Fri May 25, 2012, 07:37 PM
May 2012

could he someday be both a father and a mother? What relation would the post-op kids be to the pre-op ones?

GObamaGO

(665 posts)
12. I know a woman
Fri May 25, 2012, 07:49 PM
May 2012

who before her transition fathered her own children. Her family (siblings, former wife, kids, etc.) have completely accepted her as she is. I cannot even imagine how difficult that was for her to face.

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
18. Mitt Romney would ask for the birth certificate
Fri May 25, 2012, 09:42 PM
May 2012

And then strap Crecelius to the roof of his car.

Good for Crecelius and it is just that his family reacted sensibly.


Alameda

(1,895 posts)
19. I think intersex people should be left alone to be who & what they are.
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:13 PM
May 2012

This case is interesting in as much as he had sperm to father children. I wonder if there is/were ovum in the ovaries also. I've heard that intersexism can also be cases of absorbed fraternal twins, aka chimeras.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Fairchild

Some languages, like Turkish, don't have sex specific pronouns

Mister Ed

(5,935 posts)
23. I wonder if right-wingers view this as a "lifestyle choice"
Sat May 26, 2012, 08:24 AM
May 2012

I don't know know why this person chose to be born with both male genitalia and internal female sex organs, but I tell ya, people's acceptance of it is a threat to the sanctity of my traditional...um, organs, I guess.

Anyways, we need to get a constitutional amendment in place pronto, as a bulwark against the hermaphrodite agenda!

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
25. "When I was about 6 years old, I started having these feminine feelings,
Sat May 26, 2012, 02:05 PM
May 2012

but that was in the '60s. Wearing my mom's makeup, I thought I looked pretty,"

I understand that Ms. Crecelius is regarded as an intersex person, due to her condition of having both male and female genitalia.

However, the types of feelings expressed in the subject line of this post are extremely common among transsexual persons also. The brain is generally believed to be the organ that interprets "feelings". So, what I'm wondering here is, why is it only that having the genitalia of both genders determines that a person is intersex? Why is brain structure not considered as a possible marker for determining a person to be intersex?

Brain structure (in transsexual persons)

In the first of its kind, Zhou et al. (1995) found that in a region of the brain called the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc), a region known for sex and anxiety responses, MTF transsexuals have a female-normal size while FTM transsexuals have a male-normal size. While the transsexuals studied had taken hormones, this was accounted for by including non-transsexual male and female controls which, for a variety of medical reasons, had experienced hormone reversal. The controls still retained sizes typical for their gender. No relationship to sexual orientation was found.[20]

In a followup study, Kruijver et al. (2000) looked at the number of neurons in BSTc instead of volumes. They found the same results as Zhou et al. (1995), but with even more dramatic differences. One MTF subject who had never gone on hormones was also included, and who matched up with the female neuron counts nonetheless.[21]

In 2002, a followup study by Chung, De Vries, and Swaab found that significant sexual dimorphism (variation between sexes) in BSTc did not become established until adulthood. Chung et al. theorized that either changes in fetal hormone levels produce changes in BSTc synaptic density, neuronal activity, or neurochemical content which later lead to size and neuron count changes in BSTc, or that the size of BSTc is affected by the failure to generate a gender identity consistent with one's anatomic sex.[22]

In a review of the evidence in 2006, Gooren confirms the earlier research as supporting the concept that transsexualism is a sexual differentiation disorder of the sex dimorphic brain.[23] Swaab (2004) concurs.[24]


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