that this sadist pig feels "justifies" beating up children.

n/t

"Disturbing the school while sitting down" warrants a physical attack by a brutish thug in a uniform who has already been cited for being a brutish thug in a uniform.

The only pipeline to prison that is warranted here is three-to-five for Fields for aggravated assault. Instead, the thug got placed on "administrative leave," which will no doubt be over the minute the story leaves page one, and re-instituted the next time he beats up (or kills) another unarmed high school kid in a chair--as long as there is filmed evidence of his attack. If there isn't, well, of course, it never happened.

These guys actually are handsomely rewarded for these kinds of sadistic racist assaults & murders
on helpless unarmed people of color, children, et. al.

"Handsomely rewarded" means not being fired, charged, put on trial and then bankrupted.

Until we southerners (and we don't have a monopoly on this, by any means) realize that a badge and a uniform are not "mitigating circumstances," these crimes will continue (the SC killer cop notwithstanding) unpunished, and the perps will not only walk, but feel justified in their actions. The clueless cops that get shot in the face in other cities by total strangers are their victims just as much as the AA girl that got beaten up in the schoolroom. But the dirty cops will never know that because no one will ever tell them, and they wouldn't believe it if they did.

this is why people have to vote in school board elections. Educated vote, do research.

'raids' into the classroom to search the kiddie for drugs. The repukes fucked up public education and cheered on the police state.

Who provides no resources and has clearly practiced 'takedowns' more than de-escalation.

Funny how that works...

Sad, sad volumes.

There is a school resource officer (uniformed Fairfax County cop) in every local high school and all middle schools.

Out here in the poor sticks they are called 'resource officers'. Go fig.

they were just going to hand every discipline issue over to the handy school resource officer and elevate it to a law enforcement issue.

It's a combination of laziness and the evasion of responsibility on the part of teachers and administrators. It's easier and you don't have to be the "bad guy" when you can just make the cop handle it.

The proper use of a School Resource Officer is issues that are legitimate law enforcement issues and to provide security. Not to be the campus disciplinarian for every petty issue teachers don't want to deal with.

Hell, we saw it even with the kid with the clock in Texas. The teachers and admin knew it wasn't a bomb, they knew there was no danger. So why the hell did they involve the cops? What in the whole episode was worth calling an officer for? Nothing, there was no reason to invoke a single officer but that way they evaded having to make any real decisions about discipline and they evaded accountability for any decision. 99% of the coverage of it all blamed the cops, totally ignoring the fact that the cops only came because the school staff called them in for the incident.

The cops don't get involved in any school issue unless the teachers or administrators want them involved. The increasing involvement of SRO's in matters that used to be, and should be handled by the beaches and staff is almost entirely driven by laziness and avoidance of responsibility for discipline on the part of the staff of the school who just hand all their problems off to the cops instead of doing what they are paid for.

This is what happens when cops trained to deal with violent criminals are put in schools. To them, EVERY infraction must be dealt with one way and one way only; with immediate, overwhelming force to intimidate any criminal into submission.

Teachers suffer much shit too.

My wife and I met as big city school teachers. There were no cops on campus then, unless there were guns, or rumors of guns.

We didn't even have any way of signaling the office beyond sending a kid out with a note.

If a class went to hell, it was often blamed on the teacher.

One day I remember my class was really, really quiet. For a second I thought I was doing well... then I heard chaos next door. My class was quiet because they were listening to that.

Then we heard glass breaking. A kid had thrown a desk through the windows. Then all the kids in that class ran away.

I told my class to stay put, walked over to the classroom next door, and there was a substitute teacher sobbing at his desk.

My own teaching career was brief, it was the most stressful job I've ever had, but I never had a bad day like that, nor a day I would have invited the police into my classroom.

I teach children to stay out of trouble, but if I taught them to blindly accept "Authority" or punishment, I would not be making this world a better place.

If the admins and teaching staff cannot control the situation, then they don't understand their jobs very well imo.

...When those students refuse to cooperate and listen to the teacher or admin. Teachers are basically not allowed to put their hands on a student because they will face a lawsuit. Many teachers I know will tell you that they face enormous scrutiny anytime they try and remove a disruptive student from their classroom. So yes they now have to rely on SRO's to do that. Now the cop in this situation was a total idiot and should be fired and arrested, but please stop blaming teachers for doing what school districts, even state law has told them they have to do.

It just took some time, but I guess violating that girls rights is better. Yes much better for the other students to see the staff has no control over them.

9-months a year, 6 hours a day - you'd think they'd be content . . . but nooooooo. Now they want resource officers to administer discipline.

what a racket . . . damned lazy teachers

Teachers face environments in today's society that makes dealing with disruptive students very difficult. They can face termination and law suits for even mild actions taken to remove a disruptive student. And should a teacher risk being assaulted by a student who has made it quite clear that they do not intend to listen to the teacher or show them even the slightest amount of respect. Where are the parents at that should be teaching their children to respect teachers and administrators. Oh yeah I forgot we live in a society where expecting personal responsibility is no longer required. Yes we expect law enforcement to act in a professional manner, which obviously that didn't happen here. But teachers need more help and resources to make sure that their classrooms remain safe and non-disruptive environments where kids can learn, and parents need to start taking that initiative a little more serious from what I have seen recently.

And before somebody says, are you blaming the parents, yes I am, especially the parents who allow their children to act like this.

I taught for a number of years, and my wife retired from teaching

I have NOTHING but respect for teachers and how hard they worked.

I did not think to use the sarcasm thingie thinking the sarcasm was obvious. Guess not.

Of course, i've read others of your posts where you mentioned being a teacher. My wife was a SpecEd teacher for 30 years in ED/BD in the 9 - 11 year old age group. So, i can sympathize, if not empathize.

All my teaching was collegiate and i taught econometrics and statistics at one school, and organic chemistry at another. (Adjunct, not full time.) All adults and nobody there who wasn't there of their own volition. So, i don't have that sort of experience.

Finally left it for corporate life. Best thing I could have done to reduce the stress in my life. My wife retired from teaching and has never looked back. The changes in student attitudes at high school level have been significant in recent years.

Yep - you hit it on the head. Public schools where students are required to be there is a COMPLETELY different environment. I also taught statistics - mostly graduate, but some undergraduate. They were mostly required courses for degree-seeking students. But students were in the programs voluntarily and knew they could leave anytime the wanted. Made a huge difference.

I don't know what the solution is. There is increasing scrutiny on teachers. Administrators are of little help, and are under increasing scrutiny as well. The teacher unions seem to be of little help - their prime interest is the pay scale (at least that is our experience here). Most of the Resource Officers do a great job. But there will always be one somewhere like this guy - human nature.

is either incompetent and shouldn't be trusted with a classroom of kids or if they can handle and choose to call the cop they are either too lazy to do the challenging part of the job or too scared of taking the responsibility for the hard part of the job.

Either way, a teacher who will call a cop in the classroom over a student texting in class shouldn't be a teacher. If you can't handle basic classroom discipline time for a new job.

There is no excuse to the ever increasing habit of teachers and administrators to drag cops into what are just basic student discipline issues. None. The police should be involved in cases of actual crime and where a student poses a danger to themselves or others- not because a student was texting in class or had a crazy looking clock that beeped in class.

You seem to be an expert in classroom discipline. What should this lazy teacher do next?

Call an administrator? check.

Now what?

No, I am not condoning the brutal nature of this incident. just curious as to how you would handle it.

Was it anarchy in the classrooms?

When I was in school we didn't have cops in the school and we had plenty of discipline issues that the teachers had to deal with. Teachers and administrators were firm and got things done without calling the cops to do it for them.

Maybe call all those teachers who did it for decades without and ask how they managed to survive and keep order.

It would be one thing if there had always been a need for cops in schools, but there hasn't. The trend of teachers and administrators resorting to calling on police to do their job for them regarding minor, non-criminal classroom behavior is a recent and new trend that needs to be reversed.

I'll ask again.

What should this teacher have done besides calling an administrator to resolve the issue? If the student simply refused to comply with the requests, what action should have been taken.

Should the student be expected to follow the rules? Perhaps not.

Not exactly sure what being "firm" means. Perhaps you could elaborate.

You seem to have some strong opinions about teacher preparedness with regard to classroom discipline. I would like to learn more.

Since the refusal to hand over the phone once she was told to stop was neither disruptive to the class to any degree, nor was it endangering the life or safety of anyone I would from that point ignore her behavior, document it, and refer her to the administration for whatever punishment is appropriate for the infraction- detention, ISS, regular suspension ETC.

Just like possession of a clock that the teachers and admin knew wasn't a bomb and wasn't a danger in Texas was in no way, shape or form a matter that required law enforcement intervention.

Refusal to stop texting or hand over a phone isn't an offense that requires immediate removal nor does it require the intervention of law enforcement. If she was being violent, or was over the top disruptive to the point class couldn't be held than maybe LE is warranted- the video and evidence don't show anything like that. So document it and refer the case to whatever school administrator will make the decision on an appropriate punishment and corrective action.

There was no need for the teacher or adminstration to keep escalating their response to the girls refusal to hand her phone over to the point where a cop was involved. Acknowledge her behavior, document, punish after class as required.

for trying to handle uncooperative students who refused to listen to them. Yes teachers and administrators these days would like to avoid the liability of losing their jobs and everything they own to deal with disruptive students who have zero respect for anyone and anything. I can't blame them for using police offices, who usually have immunity from law suits if they are act in good faith.

A lot of it comes from the top down with the way school administrations deal with things and with the increased litigious nature of parents in the past two decades, it's no surprise that they've done everything they can to shift liability away from the school and put it in a law enforcement area. Combined with parents who "want something done" and you end up in situations like this.

Just watched a documentary over the weekend about this (the docu was called "Zero Tolerance" too). It's about how the Zero Tolerance program has morphed into a bit of a school to prison pipeline.

I remember when teachers wanted to be helpful and make sure their students got a decent education. Now some can't wait to call in the resource officer (that's what school cops are called) for talking loud, chewing gum, having a phone in class. Then these kids get a ticket and if the violation is serious enough, that ticket could result in a felony that then goes on the child's' school transcript.

It's ridiculous.

It is my understanding the student refused to comply with requests to turn off her cell phone and then leave the room. the principal was called in and the student still failed to comply with the rules.
It is unfortunate that the thug was so brutal in handling the situation and he should be banned from working in schools.
But why can't the student follow the rules?

do you really want to go there?

rule breaking and its punishment is a different discussion. there is NO justification for this.

I was just saying are school children allowed to make the rules?

i am kind of surprised they allow cell phones in class. I think the sticky part is what to do when a student is not interested in following normal class order and yet physical removal is not a good idea?

i wonder if they could give the other kids headphones and the teacher could talk into a mic or something. then the disruptor is only disrupting themelves and not preventing anyone else from learning. it would not work in every situation though.

Personally I think cell phones should not be allowed in classrooms. I think disruptive students? should be removed from the classroom in a civil manner.
As a child, i knew full well, if i got in trouble in school, i was in more trouble when I got home.

So removing them doesn't make sense.

etc

But it answers the questions some older folks here are asking as to why they even have their cell phones in class.

I'm in the middle of discussions about cell phones in classes all the time.

It depends on state, district, school, teacher, subject, day of the week, age of the student, availability of other devices and tools, and so much more.

In my school, phones are "off and in backpacks, which are in lockers" nominally. Practically, students carry their phones. We don't do anything unless they have them out without permission, at which point the phones are dropped off in the office to be picked up by a parent.

We have some classroom computers and some chrome carts; sped kids have various devices, and students' personal tablets of all kinds are allowed in most classes; ipods/mp3s are allowed at some times in some classes. They don't really need their phones for anything.

I'm also the grandmother of a teenager, and understand the modern teen obsession with constant texting.

So many variables that there's no simple "do this" kind of thing to it.

We had a new middle school built a couple of years ago (previous one was built in the early 60's and named for JFK) and when they did it, it was pretty tech heavy but with the focus done right. Each district, school and teacher is going to handle it differently. I'm in MA and I know it'll be done different (but not necessarily better) than in SC. I know a lot of my kids friends use their phones as their devices throughout the day.

it seems like some parents are either too unplugged to care, or the helicopter parent sometimes don't think it's possible for the children to do any wrong. So I don't get the impression that school punishment is reinforced much anymore which is probably making things worse. I agree with you about removing the disrupted person in a civil way. I also wondered if they could keep an empty classroom or two free, and then when a child is being disruptive, the teacher could take the rest of the class and say fine we're leaving you can stay here, and then have a an adult come in to watch that child while the teacher leaves with the rest of the students. Then they can be disruptive all by themselves. that wouldn't work well with large classes or science classes, but it would avoid any physicsl contact having to be made between the adult and the child. and it probably has the unfortunate effect of teaching the misbehaving child that they are still maintaining some control by forcing everyone else to leave. But if education is the main focus, it would be one way to avoid physical confrontations.

edit...didn't mean to overdo the snark in my first response to you. But there have been some very vocal supporters of the police officer, although I haven't seen many on this board fortunately. I may have overreacted. My bad.

If we hear about a hundred of these kinds of cases of students (not the LEO) that are disruptive every year, that might be a lot (depending on how closely you follow it). But to make the claim that the majority of parents are MIA, lazy or think that their kid is a special snowflake means you're dropping that accusation on upwards of 100 million adults in the US. You know, a third of the population.

"In fall 2015, about 50.1 million students will attend public elementary and secondary schools. Of these, 35.2 million will be in prekindergarten through grade 8 and 14.9 million will be in grades 9 through 12. An additional 4.9 million students are expected to attend private schools (source). The fall 2015 public school enrollment is expected to be slightly higher than the 50.0 million enrolled in fall 2014."

The vast majority of kids aren't a problem. The vast majority of parents aren't either.

and i don't think a lot of parents don't care or are lazy, never said that..i said unplugged, which covers many possibilities. i think some don't care, many are very busy...thanks to low wages, inflation, no good jobs available....and some unfortunately do think they are the progenitor of the next gift to humanity (have seen it in person in a few cases). most are trying i do believe and most kids are just fine...and the highh profile cases seem to suck up a lot of oxygen.

finish the discussion after class. Arrest and brutal assault was absolutely unnecessary!

I guess I should have suspected based on the stories of kindergartners getting arrested. This practice is beyond disturbing. It's disgusting! Why do we allow this shit?

The brutal ‪#?AssaultAtSpringValley‬ highlights again 1. the abuses that result from zero-tolerance policing in schools and 2. the way in which such policies disproportionately target students of color, especially in the South. This is how the school-to-prison pipeline begins.

And how's this for disturbing? In South Carolina, where this incident occurred, there is a "Disturbing Schools" statute that permits the arrests of students for acting in "an obnoxious manner."

We must stop criminalizing our kids. It's urgent that we do.

https://www.facebook.com/SPLCenter/?fref=nf.

Student behavior and defiance are subject to steps of consequences in my school. And ftr, if I called teh cops every time a kid pulled out their cell, my classroom would look like a war zone.

It's completely stupid that pulling out a cell phone can result in an SRO being called in to the classroom, let alone this resulting in a criminal charge!

I'm watching Lawrence O'Donnell right now, and I am dumbfounded at the minor teen behavior that can be subject to criminal charges in school. They are saying these laws came about in the mid-70's. They can be arrested for not listening in class! wtffff

and could never imagine cops being called to handle a situation like this. If a teacher at my school couldn't handle the occasional disruptor, then the principal and/or vice principal would be called in, and if necessary, a parent would be called. The only time the cops were ever called to my school while I was there was when someone was selling drugs in the parking lot.

Like you, when I was in school during the 70s, kids were suspended or expelled and only violence or drugs caused them to end up in the juvenile delinquents school. They had to be really, really bad. The school-to-prison pipeline should be condemned internationally.

kids are allowed to have their cellphones in a classroom at all. Shouldn't they be required to keep them in a locker? There are so many distractions, how can a teacher possibly teach if the kids are on their cellphones? I admit I'm old and grew up in a different time. We'd get detention for gum chewing and had to wear skirts to school. The closest thing to a cop we ever saw was a crossing guard. It's sad things have changed so much.

Some kids don't have tablets to use so they use their smartphones to do it.

A whole lot of a students life is digital and depending on the school there's heavy use of it. My kids have access to all their homework, grades, etc through their student portal and school designed apps for it.

My high school aged daughter uses her phone to take notes on it for assignments and the like.

They're not supposed to use it for texting and the like during class, which can result in various levels of punishment. It's rarely doled out because the classes are pretty busy and focused.

They use a good bit of technology across their days for interaction with teachers and other students with homework, projects and in-class lessons.

I am thinking of the trauma on these children. This particular cop - Fields - earlier had a charge of excessive force. He was known as Officer Slam.

Not only must he be punished - but all the people -- in the schools system and in the police -- who allowed him to continue --must go to jail!!

Lifelong trauma to these children possibly...

When a student's behavior infringes on the rights of their peers to a receive an education, then the schools should remove that person and apply an appropriate consequence.

The sequence of responses of "counseling, detention, suspension and/or expulsion" usually does happen, and when it goes off the rails the district ends up sued.

The video of the officer assaulting the kid is not what I am referencing. That specific incident was such a mess and is indefensible.

I don't know what specific incidents have upset you, but jailing or handcuffing someone for an individual minor offense is usually the latest in a string of disruptive behavior that prevents a teacher from teaching and fellow students from learning.