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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:05 PM Oct 2015

Was the Human Rights Campaign wrong to endorse Clinton in 1996 after he signed DOMA?

There were plenty of good reasons for Clinton's continuing support from the gay community. No President before him had ever shown the support to the LGBT community that he did, and he paid a price with a backlash soon after he came into office. Most LGBT supporters at the time understood why Clinton made the choices to sign DOMA and institute DADT, whether or not they agreed with the decisions.

DADT, by the way, represented an ADVANCE for gay rights. It replaced a much worse policy that allowed the military to question service members as to their orientation and to kick them out if they admitted to being gay; and that also allowed screening questions to be used during the enlisting process to bar gay people from serving.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-bill-clinton-signed-the-defense-of-marriage-act

As Republicans prepared for the 1996 Presidential election, they came up with what they thought was an extremely clever strategy. A gay-rights lawsuit in Hawaii was gaining press coverage as an initial series of preliminary court rulings suggested that gay marriage might be legally conceivable there. Clinton was on the record opposing marriage equality. But Republicans in Congress believed that he would still veto legislation banning federal recognition of otherwise valid same-sex marriages, giving them a campaign issue: the defense of marriage.


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The Defense of Marriage Act became law, and President Clinton was reëlected, again with overwhelming support from gay Americans. He was enthusiastically endorsed by the nation’s leading gay political group, the Human Rights Campaign, which had urged him to veto the legislation. They had called DOMA “a Bob Dole for President publicity stunt.” (There was a small dustup during the later stages of the campaign when a Clinton-related committee ran a radio ad in the South, heralding the enactment of the legislation. The ad was quickly pulled.)

Was it realistic to think that a Presidential veto of DOMA would have put Clinton’s reëlection in jeopardy? At the time I thought not. But in 1996 less than thirty per cent of Americans supported gay marriage, and even eight years after that, in 2004, President George W. Bush used gay marriage extremely effectively as a wedge issue against John Kerry, who at the time only supported civil unions. In fact, many believe that it was the Bush campaign’s very strategic placement of anti-gay-marriage state constitutional ballot initiatives throughout moderate and conservative leaning states (like Ohio) which brought out conservative Bush voters and carried the day for him in that election. Could similar tactics have been used with the same effectiveness in 1996? Obviously, we will never know.

Had there been a President Dole, none of the advances President Clinton accomplished in his second term for gay equality would have been possible. Funding for H.I.V. and AIDS would have no doubt been cut. A DOMA veto would likely have been overridden anyway, and so even if President Clinton had been reëlected, we would still have had the Defense of Marriage Act.

After his reëlection, President Clinton became considerably bolder on gay-rights issues. He became the first President in history to endorse gay-rights legislation by announcing his support for a new federal hate-crimes statute that included sexual orientation. He supported legislation banning employment discrimination against gays. He continued, and even stepped up, appointments of openly gay Americans to important Administration positions, including the recess appointment of James Hormel as the first openly gay Ambassador. He signed an executive order banning sexual-orientation discrimination in the federal civilian workforce, leading the way for much of corporate America to follow.


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Was the Human Rights Campaign wrong to endorse Clinton in 1996 after he signed DOMA? (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2015 OP
Crickets Gman Oct 2015 #1
It is discouraging to see how little of the history people understand. pnwmom Oct 2015 #3
The author of this piece was employed in the Clinton administration, Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #2
Isn't it interesting though? Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #4
The underside of the bus is very familiar to me. Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #5
We are still getting that message too. Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #6
It's all around us and as you said, many of our own buy into it. Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #7

Gman

(24,780 posts)
1. Crickets
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:19 PM
Oct 2015

Not what people want to hear because their worlds had not begun yet. They don't get anything having to do with history. Don't understand, period.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
3. It is discouraging to see how little of the history people understand.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:52 PM
Oct 2015

Even with the internet there -- unless people make the effort to look for old sources.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
2. The author of this piece was employed in the Clinton administration,
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:25 PM
Oct 2015

He's not exactly unbiased and frankly all the Straight DUer's taking a break from promoting and defending anti gay clergy to affect concerns about our marriage rights are making DU unfriendly.

Yesterday the same people yammering about Hillary and DOMA were praising Paul Wellstone, DOMA voter. So it is not about DOMA for either side, it's just exploiting the issue for your own damn agenda. It sucks, both sides are doing it,.

Bernie was correct all along, Hillary should have said totally different things about it or just remained silent about it. She did not sign it, nor vote for it. But her version of the past is the coward's view and I had no respect for it then and none now. None.

Many Democratic officials did the right thing on DOMA. Not enough but way more than a few. Many spoke strongly against it, including Ted Kennedy, Carol Moseley-Bruan, John Kerry.

Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
4. Isn't it interesting though?
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:22 AM
Oct 2015

Now, suddenly, we have all these people oh so concerned about the rights of GLBT people and are now experts in our history, some of who claim we don't really have one.

We both know people change over time, but what doesn't change is many see us as "secondary" and only find us useful when it comes time for donations and votes, other than that, we really should "know our place" and "wait until we are summoned" with our pre-approved message.

Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
6. We are still getting that message too.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:00 AM
Oct 2015

I really don't care if it is coming from the Clinton supporters or the Sanders supporters, it is really insulting to see some here use us like we aren't real people, as if our rights and struggles are frivolous things to score political points. I am just as disappointed in seeing some gay people do it too, but at least they have a vested interest. I am really pissed at those who are "suddenly" concerned about GLBT issues and history who have never shown such interest, or even worse, have a history of homophobia themselves. I am seeing the same thing with anti-Semitism too. It is disgusting and dizzying.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
7. It's all around us and as you said, many of our own buy into it.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:35 AM
Oct 2015

The Clintons just triangulate and triangulate. I wonder why they aren't strangulating from so much of it. Bill didn't even have what it took to stand up and be counted. Couldn't even admit to a BJ, for crying out loud. Plus the sucking up to the Bushes. Insert puking symbol here.

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