And as to any need for it.

at 100's of posts on du in which people express themself.

you must be going bald!!

At posts on du, I'm doing ok in the hair dept. I really wasn't taking a shot at you. I just don't see the importance of a major part of your point.

I'm not going to take issue with anyone wanting to apologize it today's climate with respect to racial issues. I find recognition in that area is often a good way to start an honest conversation.

One of the first things the media does these days after a POC is shot is to try and find an unflattering image of said person. Note, this does not happen when a good young white person is shot. One reason is to make whites feel better over all about the injustice. It is about all whites, not just some. Granted, not all buy the bait. That still doesn't account for intention. Second, it as if they want the black community to apologize for the actions of a member of their community and to admit it's acceptable on face value. That is the apology whites are trying to force on POC, along with other reasons.

Here on du and irl. It's such a common occurrence that I couldn't pick this issue and say I'm left scratching my head because someone spoke for more than themselves. It can truly be found all over the front page of du. Extremely common things don't seem to leave me scratching my head.

Sorry about that. I meant to reply to someone else. ETA yes, I meant the reply for pintobean, who I think I thought was the OP

I self deleted my post. My hands aren't completely clean on this site as I have goaded people. But I spent damn near the whole day a couple of days ago fighting against claims of impropriety by Sanders. I have done the same with Clinton even more so. Kind of makes sense since she is who I'm supporting in the primaries. In some of those I do speak for others but always include myself. Speaking for others is something I'm trying to get better at when discussing groups.

It's amazing outside. One of those days that reminds me why I love Florida.

But the point also appears to have been put through a cuisinart a few times.

i may be thinking of someone else

sarcasm is the refuge of the weak-minded.

why don't you address the point?

do you see apologizing as a very effective political strategy?

Do you think unions got the strength they have (very little at the moment unfortunately) by apologizing to people?

"Oh, shopper, I am sorry my boycott of Walmart's inconveniences you"

It's a pretty large straw man though, nice job.

I'm still stuck on "Jews" as opposed to Israelis.

Last time I checked no one in my mom's paternal heritage has been running around dropping bombs on Palestinians. It just - it hasn't happened.

I'll say what many of our Jewish DUers won't say - because I've gotten enough pm's from friends and foes at DU alike thanking me for speaking up in writing.


I won't tolerate "the Jews" type language.

interesting word choices. It seems early in the morning to be this done in by feelings, feelings that lead to careless and incorrect characterization of others.

to me is when I get one from someone who is close. Otherwise, I don't expect too much out of people. People often apologize for trivial things, which makes apologies seem trite.

I don't see 'white people' or anyone else spamming DU with 'apologies'. Where are you seeing them?

I never apologize for anything I didn't personally do. It's nonsensical.

When you see in someone's eyes, and hear in someone's voice, that they really do feel contrite, or that they regret what their actions have done to you, it can be quite mollifying, even healing.

What a shame that you think apologies are always hollow, and/or only intended to make the apologizer feel good. That's really cynical. In fact, there are many people who think apologizing makes them look weak. I think you're wrong.

I will readily accept a sincere (key word is sincere) apology from them. I think everyone should accept sincere contrition, but why would I want an apology from their friend, or son, employer, employee, fellow DU'er, or anyone else not guilty of any wrongdoing. That's just awkward, meaningless, and nonsensical.

for this whitesplaining OP.

Privilege much?

Mainly because I play the game of life fair and square, if there's nothing to apologize for I'm sure not going to make up a reason.

#1 - I didn't vote for him in the Primaries, and he wasn't even in my list of Top 3. I knew that he was a Corporatist from the beginning.

#2 - I'd cut my hand off before I'd vote for a Republican

#3 - Sitting home and NOT voting is NOT an option, even if you have to hold your nose to vote for the Democratic Nominee. Imagine how much worse off we would be with a republican President! Granted, President Obama *has* done a lot of good things while facing tremendous odds, but I don't like his approach of dealing with the repubs... always trying to appease them. He should have pulled a "GW", and just used signing statements for Bills he didn't like. "GW" used more signing statements than ALL previous Presidents *combined* when we held the Majority of both the House and Senate.

Politics is NOT a "spectator sport", you have to get involved. MANY of us didn't get ALL of the "Hope & Change" that we voted for, but at least we got *some*...

I won't apologize for ANYTHING that I had no direct, personal participation in, or anything that I have no control over.

Peace,

Ghost

It's also dishonest. Why would anyone, for instance, "apologize" for things that happened hundreds of years ago? Why should anyone feel guilty enough to apologize for things other people did? Why should anyone "assume" the guilt of a whole race of people when a "whole race of people" is never guilty of anything, anyway. It's dishonest, and it makes me wonder about the motives of those who do such things.

and others apologize for everything. Most people apologize when they feel it is appropriate. There really is no norm for it and little to argue about.

I get it, I'll recycle.

A lot more than apologies should be handed out.

...slashing each others throats considering one of those two candidates is likely to be our nominee and lots of DUers insist on soiling them and giving the republidiots ammo to use in the general.

Taking a dump (beggin' your pardon, ma'am) in a porta-potty at an outdoor concert in the Texas summer heat is more pleasant than hanging in GD-P for more than five minutes.

Then decide TODAY I'm staying away from this topsy-turvy, tit-for-tat MESS here at DU!

I'm a WHITE female who IS a LIBERAL, who IS a BOOMER, who HAS worn my HEART on my sleeve for cause after cause after since the 70's! I've been "boots on the ground," I've marched, I've worked many elections, I've read book after book after book educating myself as best I could about this country called America. Years and years of being in the trenches, money spent thinking I was able to help what I feel ails us and yet HERE WE ARE once again facing what people faced way back in the 1890's when the Robber Barons like Jay Gould did everything in his power to STOP the SOCIALIST movement of The Knights of Labor!

And ALL the rest of those Robber Barons who made ALL the decisions for the under privileged masses way back then in their massive effort to RULE this country their way! BUT, give credit to those Americans who stood up strong and said "no you won't!" They made their own progress and were willing to stand up for what they believed. Hats off to them.

Other movements over so many years have come and gone, and you know what? I FEEL we may have learned very little, because today looks so much like it did way back then. ONLY worse because this country seems to believe MILITARY might is always the answer.

I could add so much to this post, right now but just don't "feel" like it! We are on the brink of yet another election... I think a serious decision must be made and I refuse to be fooled again. Go with the status quo again, Democrat or Republican, America DESERVES what it gets!

I AGREE WITH YOU ellenrr and if that makes you feel a little better today then I'm happy to say it!

Why would anyone apologize for actions of others especially way in the past that they personally had no personal action in ?
If I personally perpetuate an event that requires an apology then I will apologize. My mere existance in a group in no way
requires I apologize for actions of the group if I did not participate. I am reminded of Olive Oils father depicted in the 'Popeye'
movie with Robin Williams. A perpetual victim whose every sentence included the words 'you owe me an apology', or 'they owe
me an apology'. If I did not personally aggrieve or harm a person, group or population in any way, I owe no apology.

If we are responsible for the actions of people in our group, then people can be judged by group. That allows for the opposite.

But since I'm only half white, white people always say I'm not white enough to speak for them. It gets me off the hook every time.

If I AM something that annoys you - tough.

Everyone needs a hobby, I guess.

our participation in a wrong is still necessary to bring about change.

One can apologize for the actions of others in the same power bloc while also working to mitigate the damage caused by same.

Waste of fucking time.

But I do recognize white privilege exists.

Another example of how unhinged DU has become.