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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere is something I would like to know about raising and lowering taxes.
Sorry, I am not very good at mining data, so just asking for some help here.
Over the last century or so, when taxes have been raised or lowered in Dem or Republican administrations, how much of an effect did it have on the middle and lower classes?
Asking because I always hear middle and lower class people go on about Dems raising their taxes and republicans lowering them and I have never really in my life noticed any substantial change in my paychecks. Only when I have moved states did I ever notice a difference.
Just want some ammo to come back at those arguments. It seems as though the only people who actually benefit from lower taxes are the VERY rich.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)When we lower taxes across the board, it benefits the wealthy. When we lower the top tax rates, it benefits the wealthy. The only time the working and middle class citizens benefit is when we lower tax rates specifically for them, and I can't recall this happening in a long time, since Kennedy, I think.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Those were tangible and gave the poor and middle class some extra money to spend.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)As I recall, they came at the price of an across-the-board tax cut that benefitted high income earners enormously. I think we got $600. It was $600, right? Anyway, the Democrats made the Republicans include that in exchange for supporting the bigger gift to high income earners. I'm not sure it was a good trade, and I think across-the-board income tax cuts are bad for the middle class.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)Put on your thinking cap and think of when the economic times were good and when they were bad. Remembering that starting in the 60's we build the interstate hwy system, build water and sewer systems all over the US, were putting people on the moon, building public hospitals and building public housing and having a Viet Nam war all at the same time.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I just wanted to get a sense from people who did live through those times how they felt that changes in tax rates affected them personally. Also, it helps to get an objective data backed opinion as well. Thank you.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The problem was, we failed to recognize how good. People thought that moon landing just happened by itself, the freeways were built by magic elves, and someone saved a lot of S&H Green Stamps to build that new post office. When Reagan came along and told them it was all worthless, all broken, all a waste of money, they fell for it. Then Reagan shifted the economic power of the government away from building things for all of us, and toward enriching some of us. Greed is good, and government is the problem. When you ask who would buy that crap, the answer is right next door, if you can pry them away from Fox News long enough to listen to your question.
PatrickforO
(14,581 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)"Over a longer timeline, we can see if there exists a correlation between taxes on the wealthy and GDP growth. Unfortunately, we find no correlation between the two. Cutting taxes on the rich appears to have resulted in no increase in the rate of GDP growth. According to the logic of tax cut advocates, the post World War II boom should never have happened given that tax rates on the the top earners were exponentially higher than they are now (something to keep in mind when Republicans claim that raising taxes on the rich back to what they were during those disastrous Clinton years (as Obama has been trying to do) will stifle economic growth).
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)tax rates from clinton years
0-26,250 15%
26,250-63,550 28%
63,550-132,600 31%
tax rates after bush tax cuts
0-9225 10%
9225-37,450 15%
37,450-90,750 25%
one of the best things obama's admin did is keeping the tax cuts for the middle class while raising rates on the rich
so for example income tax on 64,000 was 6% higher under clintons watch which is about 3700 bucks...so unless you think 64,000 grand is rich ,there is a real difference
i have never seen it mentioned on du but a big part of trump's appeal is he says no income taxes for the first 25 grand...i do not think that is doable but it makes for great rhetoric
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)but that is possibly because making more money bumped me into a higher tax bracket.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)a years pay would by a new Mustang. When I retired in 2013, a years pay would buy a new Mustang. A top of the line, but still a new Mustang.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)send it in every quarter, makes it hard to forget a 6% swing
one thing that i would like to see is a doubling of the personal exemptions ...while everyone even the rich would benefit some the big advantage would be to the working poor
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)recall a period of tax increases or decreases where you saw a real difference in take home pay (excluding those of you who are in the 1%).
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)It worked out to about $270/month extra in our paychecks due to lower taxes. We were both active duty military at the time, so definitely not 1%.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I somehow think that today's republicans are not talking about lower taxes for the rest of us, just the 1%. Maybe years ago they were, but not anymore. Please don't take that to mean that I am challenging your comment in any way. Just thinking about how the greedy republicans are trying to scam the public with the promise of "lower taxes" for the masses.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)It's actually pretty easy to see whether or not a tax cut helps or not. Look at the taxes for a given income before tax cuts, and then the same income after tax cuts.
Igel
(35,323 posts)Whatever the marginal tax rates do, it doesn't have much of an effect. Deductions and exemptions usually buy-out any non-wealthy tax hike, tax shelters usually shelter upper-end income (much of which is capital gains, anyway).
One tax that did affect things was the increase in the payroll tax, but it was mixed in with other changes to the tax code at the time.
One larger change has been a reduction in the amount of corporate tax paid as a percentage of government revenues. Of course, this was directly in tandem with a sharp increase in social spending, largely funded by the payroll tax. Lots of spinning with those numbers, but I'm not sure what valid conclusions can be drawn from it. ("Spin" nearly entails "invalid inference."
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Which is why it enrages me when I hear most middle class people go off about taxes. It really doesn't amount to much one way or the other. That is the bottom line.