You have to acknowledge that not everyone on DU, or anywhere else agrees with the construct that "guns are to blame". Violence, specifically rampage killings are a complex subject, with many variables. Those of us who have a different take on these problems mourn no less than anyone else for the victims.

Just my .02.

its a bit weird.

anyone who feels the need to carry a concealed gun is obviously looking for the kind of trouble only a gun will protect him/her from. Like a hammer always seeing everything as a nail. A gun owner sees everything as something to shoot.

fancy them, is yours.

as stated within the Democratic Party Platform and acknowledged by the Supreme Court.

Until then...

Because a killing machine preferred by killing armies everywhere is just like a transport machine in their twisted and incredible thinking.

Is that deaths from a gun are treated wholly differently than deaths from any other means.
I don't see a lot of impetus to ban ladders, swimming pools, household chemicals, and bacon.
Makes me wonder, what do people see in gun deaths that they fear far more than these other, more common causes of death, and why gun related deaths somehow are seemingly more preventable than these other, equally preventable causes of death?

Wouldn't the pursuit of safer ladders, swimming pool lock/gates/sensors, nontoxic cleaning products, and low cholesterol diets be a better, and ultimately more successful pursuit?

I'm guessing you'd certainly see less public opposition.

not tools for killing.

these are not the same. using that logic little dog biting of people should be just as widely condemned as pit bull mauling...

I grant that there are possible murders using swimming pools and household chemicals but probably rare. The over shadowing instruments of murder are fire arms.

How many people murder others using "ladders, swimming pools, household chemicals, and bacon"? I'll check back later to see your links on mass murders using bacon.

The gun is the only one used for the "fun" of shooting things and people. Not nearly as bad as a swimming pool being used to swim in or a ladder being used to do some useful work.

Your reasoning is truly faulty if you equate your gun with a ladder.

Can't think of any?

Yup. Thanks for playing.

There are two whole forums where you can post your perspectives on "gun defenders" and "Killing devices." GD's SOP, on the other hand, discourages this.

-app

You were right all along.

Unlibing objects.

I can identify at least three consistent and inevitable patterns; in fact, I'm pretty sure I could take a blank sheet and compose a 50-post GD gun thread, complete with usernames, to about 90% accuracy...

The pro-control folk will impugn all gun owners in the nastiest possible terms and call for actions to be taken that will never, ever come about ("ban all guns!" "$100 tax on each bullet!" etc...). The pro-gun side will respond with pedantic corrections of technical errors on the part of the opposition, shoddy analogies with other objects that kill people, etc...

Predictable as the fucking sunrise...and of no use whatsoever to anyone looking for an actual solution to the problem of gun-related violence.

Box Cutters?

NRA, they will continue to allow craze to overrule sensible. If the NRA was as diligent to get a handle on gun violence as they are to allow leaders like LaPierre to stand and give stupid statements the violence will not stop.

but the problem is violence. Whether caused by massive economic insecurity, or a culture of violence, or a country that is always at war, the problem is that too many people feel that violence is the solution to whatever they see as the problem.

That said, please do not ask me how to eliminate the violence.