Gods help them.

Our party seems unable to generate much enthusiasm, let alone passion. I wonder why that is?

and still think of ourselves as a national party?

Republicans could control governorships and legislatures in 35 states. It's probably more like 32 or so, but we can't abandon that Third Way strategy that's working so well for us.

but thinks he can make it up on the volume. We don't do retail very well.

This is my complaint about groups like BLM that they raise all this hell and there not motivating people to get out and vote.Just an example of raising hell and no voter perticapation

when we are not we not enthused we lose.

We need a political revolution

of white people.

dissing Obama and policies.

So, you're going to be motivated by a guy who is talking GOP trash to try to win over the rightwingers? Suppressed the turnout, good move!!

What about all those folks who keep calling democrats republicans in practice or say they won't vote for a democrat for president? Or were they just afraid?

talking about don't matter to poc.

they would have woken up and voted for us so we wouldn't call the stupid.










(this is sarcasm)

they are hearing what repuke assholes tell them about us

how to vote?
Kim Davis, anyone?

But us means a supposed liberal voice that attacked the entire state because of kim Davis and 20-30 people who would show up to support her. The ones I know don't care for her and don't make marriage their business but aren't going to go protest Davis in their free time when she was removed by the court anyway.

Despite the assumption they are all stupid country bumpkins they actually do see, hear and understand the attitude of many in our side that discuss them with a mix of arrogance and contemp.

Disregard and mock the rural residents at our party's peril. Talking about them or to them with a tone of arrogance and condescension that fits the stereotype of the "northeastern liberal elite" doesn't win anyone to your side and tends to turn off even rural dems, and does even worse with unaffiliated voters.

Look at the races in VA where Bloomberg pumped loads of money- and lost. Because out here in rural America he is seen as an arrogant NY liberal who lives with bodyguards while wanting to lecture rural people about guns.

You can win national elections by just winning urban areas and being dismissive of rural folks. But you won't win control of state legislatures or most governors offices doing it- and won't win control of the House doing it.

we don't seem to be able to learn. Democrats from urban areas keep getting re-elected so they become the party. Fewer rural Democrats means their voices are unheard or ignored. It's become a vicious cycle, and the more urban Democrats dominate the party, the less credibility we have in rural areas. Howard Dean understood it, but he was rejected by the DLC crowd. So here we are.

Thats is all of it in a nutshell. It's bad enough when your party leadership all can't relate to the rural party members because they hail from very different backgrounds and lifestyles, but add to that the attitude displayed toward them (just look at many posts on here) and you end up with folks who may share your values, but can't relate to you and feel out of touch with you and therefore are less likely to trust you.

by urban, identity politics. That isn't a criticism, it's just the way things are. But not every one identifies. Slanging those who don't just makes it worse. People get defensive and dig in their heels. The Republicans feed off that. They tap into the anger people feel. There's a lot to be angry about, and most of it seems to be out of reach. The GOP offers a simple explanation. It's the black guys fault; Hillary is a criminal. That crap sells really well when people are reacting rather than thinking, which seems to be the norm these days.

or all Republican presidential nominees

GROW THE FUCK UP comes to mind

we have some of that mentality here, stamping their feet whenever their favored person gets dissed

Mr. Pierce nails it:

If your outrage over the treatment of a crackpot goldbricking county clerk outweighs the possibility that your aging grandmother is going to die of a treatable illness then, well, I don't know what to say to you except good luck and enjoy your freedom.

PBO lost it by 22% in 2012. Why is everyone surprised by this, especially after Conway pulled a "Grimes" and ran away from PBO.

Not every state will have a Elizabeth Warren or a Bernie Sanders. You're going to need a Jack Conway or a John Breaux type in the South for the party to be alive. Right now, the Democratic Party is not a alive party in the states.

in off-year elections.

Join the Southern dumbass club...

Jeez!

Coal is going away and people in the coal belt blame us.

what exactly do they have to show for their red-loving status?

you know what - never mind - I am tired of excuses for why people vote against their own self-interests

over and out

it's the exception not the rule.