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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:11 AM Nov 2015

Text of TPP released

http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Treaties-and-International-Law/01-Treaties-for-which-NZ-is-Depositary/0-Trans-Pacific-Partnership-Text.php

If the TPP is approved by Congress, this awful deal would offshore good-paying American jobs and drive down wages in the jobs that are left, increasing inequality by forcing Americans into competition with workers abroad paid less than 65 cents an hour. The pact is so poorly written, it would also enable products assembled from parts made in "third party" countries that aren't subject to any TPP obligations to enter the U.S. duty free. It also includes language that effectively bans "Buy American" and "Buy Local" preferences in many types of government purchasing.

The TPP would hand corporate polluters new tools for attacking future climate policies, including controversial investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) provisions that enable them to challenge U.S. laws, regulations and court decisions as "regulatory takings" in international tribunals that circumvent the U.S. and any other country's judicial system.

The TPP would also increase health care prices and reduce access to medicine through language designed to delay the introduction of low-cost generic medications and that enables pharmaceutical companies to challenge Medicare, Medicaid and other public health programs' cost-saving mechanisms. The TPP actually rolls back some of the hard-fought protections for access to medicine in trade agreements that were secured during the George W. Bush administration.

Unfortunately, this is the all-too-predictable result of negotiating a trade deal in secret with notorious human rights abusers like Malaysia, Vietnam and Brunei through a rigged process in which hundreds of corporate lobbyists had privileged access to the texts, while the American people were forbidden from even reviewing what negotiators were proposing in our names.

The bottom line is that, while the TPP is sure to benefit some Wall Street executives and other corporate elites, it would be a disaster for working families in the United States and throughout the world.

The only good news about the TPP is that we can still stop it. The timing on this beast is actually in our favor. A Congressional vote on the TPP can't be scheduled until next year — at which point we'll be in the heart of election season. With your help, we can make sure a majority of elected officials listen to constituents rather than the corporate lobbyists on this issue.
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Text of TPP released (Original Post) eridani Nov 2015 OP
Climate change missing from full Trans-Pacific Partnership text Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2015 #1
As I predicted. joshcryer Nov 2015 #5
You're right. There's an Environment section but climate change is not directly addressed. pampango Nov 2015 #10
I know I'm right and here's the actual link. Not that bullshit you posted. Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2015 #11
I posted a link to a summary of the environmental chapter. The entire chapter is the same at pampango Nov 2015 #14
I prefer the link without the spin. I'm not offended as much as slightly grossed out by your Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2015 #15
Yep. That's the main weakness I see (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #19
Thanks Obama newfie11 Nov 2015 #2
We can still block it. The 99% all over the world hates this shit eridani Nov 2015 #3
I'm in a very red state newfie11 Nov 2015 #18
You'll have better luck: Republican voters strongly oppose the treaty Recursion Nov 2015 #20
I'm in a blue state with two Senators who voted for fast track eridani Nov 2015 #23
You've got to wonder newfie11 Nov 2015 #24
Why would he do what? What's wrong with an international trade agreement? randome Nov 2015 #13
This is not like any other trade agreement newfie11 Nov 2015 #17
I've read it, and it's pretty much like every other trade agreement Recursion Nov 2015 #21
We'll see if the people push back like they did on SOPA. joshcryer Nov 2015 #4
It isn't clear that this is the full text. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #6
That's what I've read too ... but I can't remember where. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #8
No, the negotiating positions are kept secret for 5 years. randome Nov 2015 #9
NPR says "text released' as if it's the whole text Triana Nov 2015 #16
No, that's the minutes of the negotiations you're thinking of Recursion Nov 2015 #22
K&R. If Hillary (assuming she's the nominee) wants any shot at winning the bullwinkle428 Nov 2015 #7
K&R. Glad the full text was finally released. Corporate power needs restriction, not expansion. Overseas Nov 2015 #12

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
5. As I predicted.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:45 AM
Nov 2015

TPP is a symptom of our globalized world, it will hurt jobs but no where near as badly as automation and self driving cars are over the next decade or two. The biggest issue is that it denies any possibility in the future of going clean.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
14. I posted a link to a summary of the environmental chapter. The entire chapter is the same at
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:22 AM
Nov 2015

the US site as it is at the New Zealand government's site.

Here's the link to the US site: https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/TPP-Final-Text-Environment.pdf

I meant to agree with you, not offend you.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,505 posts)
15. I prefer the link without the spin. I'm not offended as much as slightly grossed out by your
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:26 AM
Nov 2015

constant shilling. But hey, to each his own.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
2. Thanks Obama
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:39 AM
Nov 2015

I voted twice for him and this still blows me away!
How could he and why would he do this to the people of this country!

eridani

(51,907 posts)
3. We can still block it. The 99% all over the world hates this shit
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:41 AM
Nov 2015

Just keep bugging your representative. At least once a day, and hope that people in other countries do the same with their governments.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
18. I'm in a very red state
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:36 AM
Nov 2015

No bugging I've done has ever affected the outcome here. You can bet I will continue as I can't just accept what this will do.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. You'll have better luck: Republican voters strongly oppose the treaty
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:41 AM
Nov 2015

whereas Democratic voters are pretty much split.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
23. I'm in a blue state with two Senators who voted for fast track
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:44 AM
Nov 2015

They kept spewing emails about "trade," which never even once mentioned ISDS.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. Why would he do what? What's wrong with an international trade agreement?
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:20 AM
Nov 2015

I know it's fashionable to say that corporations are trying to turn us into farm animals with such agreements but if that's the case, the trade agreements for the past 200 years haven't gotten them closer to that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
17. This is not like any other trade agreement
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:33 AM
Nov 2015

It's released now, I suggest you read it.
How can you stand up for something like this unless you have no idea what's in it!

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
21. I've read it, and it's pretty much like every other trade agreement
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:41 AM
Nov 2015

What specifically do you see as different?

(Before you answer: the arbitration system including ISDS has been around for almost 50 years.)

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
4. We'll see if the people push back like they did on SOPA.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:41 AM
Nov 2015

Or if they push back like they did on NSA spying.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
6. It isn't clear that this is the full text.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:05 AM
Nov 2015

Despite the 6000 or so pages, it is my understanding that there are more sections that are kept secret for five years after ratification.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. No, the negotiating positions are kept secret for 5 years.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:55 AM
Nov 2015

No one can enforce a treaty if no one knows about it. The idea that portions of the TPP would be kept secret is nonsense.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
7. K&R. If Hillary (assuming she's the nominee) wants any shot at winning the
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:48 AM
Nov 2015

state of Ohio, I hope she maintains her opposition to it.

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