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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsText of TPP released
http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Treaties-and-International-Law/01-Treaties-for-which-NZ-is-Depositary/0-Trans-Pacific-Partnership-Text.phpIf the TPP is approved by Congress, this awful deal would offshore good-paying American jobs and drive down wages in the jobs that are left, increasing inequality by forcing Americans into competition with workers abroad paid less than 65 cents an hour. The pact is so poorly written, it would also enable products assembled from parts made in "third party" countries that aren't subject to any TPP obligations to enter the U.S. duty free. It also includes language that effectively bans "Buy American" and "Buy Local" preferences in many types of government purchasing.
The TPP would hand corporate polluters new tools for attacking future climate policies, including controversial investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) provisions that enable them to challenge U.S. laws, regulations and court decisions as "regulatory takings" in international tribunals that circumvent the U.S. and any other country's judicial system.
The TPP would also increase health care prices and reduce access to medicine through language designed to delay the introduction of low-cost generic medications and that enables pharmaceutical companies to challenge Medicare, Medicaid and other public health programs' cost-saving mechanisms. The TPP actually rolls back some of the hard-fought protections for access to medicine in trade agreements that were secured during the George W. Bush administration.
Unfortunately, this is the all-too-predictable result of negotiating a trade deal in secret with notorious human rights abusers like Malaysia, Vietnam and Brunei through a rigged process in which hundreds of corporate lobbyists had privileged access to the texts, while the American people were forbidden from even reviewing what negotiators were proposing in our names.
The bottom line is that, while the TPP is sure to benefit some Wall Street executives and other corporate elites, it would be a disaster for working families in the United States and throughout the world.
The only good news about the TPP is that we can still stop it. The timing on this beast is actually in our favor. A Congressional vote on the TPP can't be scheduled until next year at which point we'll be in the heart of election season. With your help, we can make sure a majority of elected officials listen to constituents rather than the corporate lobbyists on this issue.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)joshcryer
(62,277 posts)TPP is a symptom of our globalized world, it will hurt jobs but no where near as badly as automation and self driving cars are over the next decade or two. The biggest issue is that it denies any possibility in the future of going clean.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)the US site as it is at the New Zealand government's site.
Here's the link to the US site: https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/TPP-Final-Text-Environment.pdf
I meant to agree with you, not offend you.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)constant shilling. But hey, to each his own.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)I voted twice for him and this still blows me away!
How could he and why would he do this to the people of this country!
eridani
(51,907 posts)Just keep bugging your representative. At least once a day, and hope that people in other countries do the same with their governments.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)No bugging I've done has ever affected the outcome here. You can bet I will continue as I can't just accept what this will do.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)whereas Democratic voters are pretty much split.
eridani
(51,907 posts)They kept spewing emails about "trade," which never even once mentioned ISDS.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)How much corruption (money changing hands) goes on daily!
randome
(34,845 posts)I know it's fashionable to say that corporations are trying to turn us into farm animals with such agreements but if that's the case, the trade agreements for the past 200 years haven't gotten them closer to that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]
newfie11
(8,159 posts)It's released now, I suggest you read it.
How can you stand up for something like this unless you have no idea what's in it!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)What specifically do you see as different?
(Before you answer: the arbitration system including ISDS has been around for almost 50 years.)
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)Or if they push back like they did on NSA spying.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Despite the 6000 or so pages, it is my understanding that there are more sections that are kept secret for five years after ratification.
polly7
(20,582 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)No one can enforce a treaty if no one knows about it. The idea that portions of the TPP would be kept secret is nonsense.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]
Triana
(22,666 posts)But who knows? The whole damned thing is so vile and sneaky.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/05/454856994/text-of-landmark-trade-deal-is-released-and-the-real-debate-begins
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The complete text is public.
bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)state of Ohio, I hope she maintains her opposition to it.