He did it because the harsh reality of world economics convinced him this was better than nothing.

He is wrong, but I can deal with him being wrong.

The FACT is until we have the guts to put massive tariffs on ALL imports, forcing those things to be made here, nothing will improve

in his post-presidential years will make what they gave to the Clintons look like a thousand-dollar shopping spree at Wal-Mart, provided he rams this through, with mostly Repig votes one might note.

He will be a billionaire by the time he has been out of office five years. Bet on it.

He sure as shit doesn't want to end up building houses for poor people like Jimmy Carter.

than any time since I cast my first vote for president - for Jimmy Carter in 1976.

And I was sold down the river, the same way that Clinton rewarded me for the two votes I gave him. The only reason I voted for Obama again in '12 was that he wasn't Mittwit. What an inspiration.

I neither forgive nor forget betrayal. Legitimate compromise I can live with. Flat out sale of the country to corporate interests and the oligarchy/banksters is unforgivable. Clinton did it with NAFTA, the Telecom Act and "financial reform" and Obama is doing it with TPP and TISA. As only Richard Nixon could go to China, only a Democratic president could finalize the final corporate burial of representative democracy.

Them's the facts.

to learn that you have been played.

Hence his teaming up with republicans to get it done.

and then I said would you apologize for that comment when it is proven wrong.

That is what this is about, of course he agrees with TPP

That would be Republicans and corporately-owned "Democrats."

Does that tell you nothing? That this is the ONLY thing the Repigs have ever agreed with him on?

Besides the TPP, there is the TTIP and TISA. Together, they mean corporate rule over all of us. All US presidents in recent decades have been proponents of ruthless globalisation at the behest of the money that buys elections.

The EU trade commissioner, Karel De Gucht, hoped to finish TTIP by the end of this tenure.

But people in Europe have risen up, collected 3 million signatures against it, got a public scrutiny of the ISDS chapter of TTIP, forced a divided vote in EU parliament and took to the streets in the hundreds of thousands.

And in the US?

Second, why is your first reaction to hearing about this debacle, "it's not his fault"?

Third, a lot of people here really hate job killing trade deals.

to liberal politics.

A place dedicated to liberal politics not surprisingly has many posts highly critical of "NAFTA on steroids".

by their own lawyers, whom they will appoint. Whose sole loyalty is to their clients' money.

Yeah, this isn't the final merger of feudalism and fascism.

You can't sue pretty much any company you do business with if you agreed to their terms, which are increasingly using arbitration to get out of the threat of lawsuits.

Of course, the company chooses the arbitrator, and the time and place of arbitration. And we poor fools have to pay their fees.

Corporations.

And for the same reasons.

provides oversight.

The actual tribunal arbiters are selected -- one by country, one by company, one by mutual agreement. How could it be fairer.

distinguished JUDGES from member nations, assigned RANDOMLY, holding public proceedings instead of bought-and-paid-for corporate lawyers working behind locked doors? Like a REAL court?

This garbage amounts to a corporate Star Chamber with predetermined results.