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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:18 AM Nov 2015

Just curious: did nobody else hear the "Pyramids were for storing grain" thing growing up?

I remember that from tracts people would hand out at revivals or whatever. The idea was that Joseph had the Pyramids built in order to store up grain. And that because he knew famine was coming, he lowered taxes, production soared, and there was enough grain for the 7 years.

(For those who aren't familiar with the story, Pharaoh had a dream in which he saw 7 fat cows and 7 skinny cows, and the skinny cows ate the fat cows. Joseph, who was in prison, had a reputation for interpreting dreams, so Pharaoh summoned him. Joseph said that the dream meant there would be 7 years of plenty followed by 7 years of famine. Pharaoh put Joseph in charge of preparing for the famine, and he raised -- not lowered -- taxes and took the grain people paid their taxes in and stored it in granaries, with the result that Egypt still had food during the famine while Joseph's shithead brothers who had tried to kill him nearly starved to death in Canaan.)

Anyways, I guess I just am not really surprised to hear somebody say that because I kind of grew up with it, and I'm curious if anybody else did.

(EDIT, since apparently this wasn't clear: of course the pyramids are tombs, not silos. I'm not saying it's a sane idea I'm saying it's an idea I've heard for years and years.)

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Just curious: did nobody else hear the "Pyramids were for storing grain" thing growing up? (Original Post) Recursion Nov 2015 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Nov 2015 #2
The pyramids are not grain silos. They are tombs. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #5
Of course they're tombs. We laughed when we heard the idea 30 years ago too Recursion Nov 2015 #6
That's from a "Chick tract". NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #12
Sorry, I overreacted there. Deleted Recursion Nov 2015 #14
I never heard of "Chick Tracts" before annabanana Nov 2015 #83
I'm sorry. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #89
lol.. I'll take the hit in the name of annabanana Nov 2015 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author BooScout Nov 2015 #3
Well we thought it was crazy, too (tracts are always good for a laugh) Recursion Nov 2015 #4
I deleted..... BooScout Nov 2015 #8
Nope. Half-Century Man Nov 2015 #7
Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist... Recursion Nov 2015 #10
Inconceivable! NT flying rabbit Nov 2015 #67
I don't think that means what you think that means. nt Quackers Nov 2015 #74
Maybe that's why..... BooScout Nov 2015 #13
Question; part two Half-Century Man Nov 2015 #21
I did. bravenak Nov 2015 #9
Is he a Seventh day adventist for real? If yes, then i get it. bravenak Nov 2015 #11
Yeah, he's 7DA. Recursion Nov 2015 #15
Sabbath. My uncle. bravenak Nov 2015 #17
Good Morning Bravenak! BooScout Nov 2015 #16
Morning!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #18
A good sleep does wonders! BooScout Nov 2015 #19
I got the memory foam. The soft one. My God. bravenak Nov 2015 #22
I've had memory foam beds for 8 years. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #24
Yes it is. I cannot stop laying down testing it yet. Sooo nice. Worth the extra few hundred bucks. bravenak Nov 2015 #26
I know..... BooScout Nov 2015 #28
I skipped Sunday school a lot BooScout Nov 2015 #25
It is only certain sects of various protestant religions. bravenak Nov 2015 #27
I think I found my spirituality (or lack of it) BooScout Nov 2015 #29
I used to go down the street and hide to partake. bravenak Nov 2015 #32
Neither did I BooScout Nov 2015 #33
But the Seventh Day Adventists were murielm99 Nov 2015 #34
That's because they are Independent SDA. bravenak Nov 2015 #35
Joseph was one of my favorite Bible Stories and Pyramids were never mentioned dem in texas Nov 2015 #20
No. I lived in a family that embraced science and history. Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #23
Ha! I, too, was taken to the MoNH (NYC)! WinkyDink Nov 2015 #31
:) Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #54
No. I wasn't born into a stupid family. WinkyDink Nov 2015 #30
Catholic schools never mentioned it when I was growing up eridani Nov 2015 #36
Catholicism isn't fundamentalist Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #55
Good analysis. Evolution is always taught in Catholic biology classes eridani Nov 2015 #57
Never heard it once madokie Nov 2015 #37
Depends EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #38
That must be it. I lived next door to an SDA church in the 1980s (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #39
No, this is the first time I ever heard of it and I went to a holy roller Pentecostal church B Calm Nov 2015 #40
I know there's a difference but I can't remember Recursion Nov 2015 #41
My aunt was a 7 day adventist, all I remember is she went to church on Saturday and eating pork B Calm Nov 2015 #42
Just Pork? ProfessorGAC Nov 2015 #48
I remember she couldn't eat shell fish like shrimp, crab, lobster, etc. B Calm Nov 2015 #53
sounds almost Jewish. littlewolf Nov 2015 #97
Oh I forgot she couldn't wear make up and nail polish, something about being a Jezebel. B Calm Nov 2015 #69
Never heard it either. What kind of a gran storage structure ... BlueStreak Nov 2015 #79
Nope. I wasn't plagued by religious nuts growing up. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #43
Nope, never heard that claim. It seems to me too glaringly, obviously asinine to be taken Marr Nov 2015 #44
Didja hear the one about the talking snake? jberryhill Nov 2015 #47
I've always been a fan of weird religious crap jberryhill Nov 2015 #45
I know it's in one of the Chick tracts (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #46
There was a thread on this yesterday jberryhill Nov 2015 #49
So who was buried in the pyramids? Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #50
It's dogma of a religion. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #51
I've never heard it Marrah_G Nov 2015 #52
I've never heard it until now. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2015 #56
No. I heard the story of Joseph storing up grain against the famine years, but nothing about storing merrily Nov 2015 #58
If Ben Carson's beliefs are based on Chick tracts, his campaign will be colorful. yardwork Nov 2015 #59
Never, and we went to church every time the church door was open. n/t patricia92243 Nov 2015 #60
I don't know what a revival is. postulater Nov 2015 #61
We had those too Recursion Nov 2015 #62
Heard this in Bible class when reading the story of Joseph and his brothers. BUT never kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #63
Color Ben gone. Newly rich but "GONE." nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #64
Nope, and I grew up in a conservative church denomination. tanyev Nov 2015 #65
The notion goes back hundreds of years FBaggins Nov 2015 #66
As I mentioned (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #68
Never hatrack Nov 2015 #70
I teach mythology Generic Other Nov 2015 #71
Never heard of that until Ben Carson confirmed that he believed it ck4829 Nov 2015 #72
No. I heard the story about Joseph and the Pharaoh's dream, but no pyramids were involved Orangepeel Nov 2015 #73
No. Raised fundie so knew the Joseph story riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #75
That's because the OP got the story wrong. Rex Nov 2015 #77
. Rex Nov 2015 #76
so the pyramids are not specifically mentioned as granaries - just that grain was stored DrDan Nov 2015 #78
Yes, actually I have heard it before LibertyLover Nov 2015 #80
I had never heard this before kcr Nov 2015 #81
No, and I was raised Southern Baptist and had the bible drummed into me from Tanuki Nov 2015 #82
I studied archaeology in college. This was one of the nuttier theories my professor debunked. bklyncowgirl Nov 2015 #84
Nope. Never. Not once, ever. Iggo Nov 2015 #85
Nope. I was fortunate enough not to grow up around imbeciles. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #86
so clearly there must be evidence of the grain that was stored.... dhill926 Nov 2015 #87
Not me. krispos42 Nov 2015 #88
Here's what appears to be good research on the myth BootinUp Nov 2015 #90
Nope. There were some good archaeology books in my home. struggle4progress Nov 2015 #91
Never heard it, grew up Mormon in Utah (nt) TacoD Nov 2015 #92
Freeper Carsonoids are doubling down. Now their saying Joseph built the early stepped pyramids Monk06 Nov 2015 #94
Grew up an atheist with parents who never mentioned religion. Codeine Nov 2015 #95
Not me GP6971 Nov 2015 #96
Before this broke, Fred Clark pointed out how Joseph used the famine to confiscate Egyptian land muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #98
Joseph/famine/yes - not anything to do with "pyramids" n/t UTUSN Nov 2015 #99
No, and I was raised in a very Baptist home. DawgHouse Nov 2015 #100

Response to Recursion (Original post)

Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #1)

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
5. The pyramids are not grain silos. They are tombs.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:27 AM
Nov 2015

I've heard the grain silo stories. But to imply that the pyramids are grain storage buildings is certifiable.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
6. Of course they're tombs. We laughed when we heard the idea 30 years ago too
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:29 AM
Nov 2015
I've heard the grain silo stories.

Thank you. That was my question.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
12. That's from a "Chick tract".
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:32 AM
Nov 2015

BTW, I wasn't attacking your family, I was attacking the people who actually believe and pass out Chick tracts. I grew up in the SE and learned to associate those with mental illness quite early.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. Sorry, I overreacted there. Deleted
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:34 AM
Nov 2015

And, yes, it was from Chick tracts and the ones that are even crazier (usually mimeographed by some dude in a basement).

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
89. I'm sorry.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:17 PM
Nov 2015

You had probably never laid eyes on such a horrible thing and my reference to it probably made you google it.

Response to Recursion (Original post)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. Well we thought it was crazy, too (tracts are always good for a laugh)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:25 AM
Nov 2015

I just didn't realize it was not better-known crazy.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
8. I deleted.....
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:30 AM
Nov 2015

I was afraid I my first reply would offend you and that was not my intent.

I have never heard that story about the pyramids.

I grew up in the South and DH grew up in the UK. Neither one of us had ever heard it. I am thankful it finally shut DH up when I tell him Carson is crazy though. He can no longer half defend Carson.

He hates Hillary too....sometimes I wonder why I married him, lol

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
7. Nope.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:30 AM
Nov 2015

My question is, if such monumental structures were needed to store grain safely; just how big were the fucking rats?


Why don't those rats rule the world now?

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
13. Maybe that's why.....
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:33 AM
Nov 2015

The Egyptians thought cats were sacred........because they got rid of all those big rats?

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
21. Question; part two
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:46 AM
Nov 2015

It there were cats big enough to subdue rats that need a 400 million ton stone building to keep them away from the wheat; Were are the religious texts honoring the cleaners of the litter boxes?

You can't let the cats figure out they can crap in the desert, the country would vanish in mountains of cat shit.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
18. Morning!!!
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:37 AM
Nov 2015

Bought a new bed and slept for hours earlier. Best purchase in a long time. Feel so GOOD!

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
19. A good sleep does wonders!
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:43 AM
Nov 2015

I wish my hip would let me get one some nights. I just got a new bed too......but didn't get a memory foam....that was a mistake I think.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
22. I got the memory foam. The soft one. My God.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:47 AM
Nov 2015

I am so delighted.
My shoulder and back are out of wack. Next time do the memory foam. I was trying to get this nice spring matteress but my husband was not having it. So thankful he is bossy.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
26. Yes it is. I cannot stop laying down testing it yet. Sooo nice. Worth the extra few hundred bucks.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:51 AM
Nov 2015

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
28. I know.....
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:54 AM
Nov 2015

We just got rid of one.....but I was pissed because it started getting sections where the foam would split (if that makes sense) and it started doing that after about 2 years....we lived with it a long time, but finally had to replace it and I didn't want to get another one because of that. Now I am sorry.....even with the splits in the foam......it did wonders for my hip and now the pain is back with a vengeance.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
25. I skipped Sunday school a lot
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:50 AM
Nov 2015

But I was raised Methodist, so either it wasn't taught by the Methodists or I missed it when I was out partaking behind the Baptist church where my friends that skipped Sunday school always met up.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
27. It is only certain sects of various protestant religions.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:54 AM
Nov 2015

Stories like that are big in certain black churches I been to. My grandma was a holy roller Seventh Day Adventist. Boy oh boy! I learned all type of untrue things. I learned very early how to hold crazy stuff in my head and not believe it. Probably why I'm an atheist now.

murielm99

(30,755 posts)
34. But the Seventh Day Adventists were
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:12 AM
Nov 2015

quick to point out that that is not part of their belief system.

I do not belong to that church, but I know some Adventists. They are not as crazy as some people here are saying.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
20. Joseph was one of my favorite Bible Stories and Pyramids were never mentioned
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:45 AM
Nov 2015

I had a good grounding in studying the Bible when I was a child and the Pyramids were never mentioned in anyway. Also a few years back, I read a great book about finding King Tut's tomb in the 1920's. The book had a section of photographs taken right after the tomb was opened and there would be very little room to store grain in the rooms, only enough to feed a few people. And it took more than 7 years to build a Pyramid; something like 20 or 30 years. It may work for Fox News viewers, but it sure doesn't work for me. It's ridiculous!

























 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
23. No. I lived in a family that embraced science and history.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:49 AM
Nov 2015

Saturdays were spent at the Museum of Natural History. Then off to Kendo practice.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
36. Catholic schools never mentioned it when I was growing up
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:15 AM
Nov 2015

But then, according to quite a few fundies, Catholics aren't really Christian.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
55. Catholicism isn't fundamentalist
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:21 AM
Nov 2015

Catholicism is often conservative, but when it comes to the Bible, it is not fundamentalist at all, and it accepts historical-critical approaches to the Bible. So they would not say stuff like this.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
57. Good analysis. Evolution is always taught in Catholic biology classes
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:23 AM
Nov 2015

I remember being shocked meeting anti-evolutionists for the first time in college.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
38. Depends
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:42 AM
Nov 2015

how old you are...

It was a popular thing in some circles in the 80s-90s. Especially in SDA circles.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
40. No, this is the first time I ever heard of it and I went to a holy roller Pentecostal church
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:47 AM
Nov 2015

when I was young.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
41. I know there's a difference but I can't remember
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:48 AM
Nov 2015

There are adventists and pentecostals and assembly of God and I cannot remember which is which...

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
42. My aunt was a 7 day adventist, all I remember is she went to church on Saturday and eating pork
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:54 AM
Nov 2015

was a no no. LOL

ProfessorGAC

(65,150 posts)
48. Just Pork?
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:07 AM
Nov 2015

My dad was a milkman. Delivered milk to supermarkets and had one hospital in the southwest suburbs. It was 7DA, and the cafeteria was meatless. They had these soy burgers in cans (like the size of a paint can) that just looked terrible. They served no meat. Didn't even have a meat cooler in a hospital with over 400 beds.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
53. I remember she couldn't eat shell fish like shrimp, crab, lobster, etc.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:15 AM
Nov 2015

I guess it was dirty or something. Strange religion. .

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
97. sounds almost Jewish.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:55 PM
Nov 2015

the Jewish were forbidden to eat Pork
and shellfish, it was considered unclean.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
79. Never heard it either. What kind of a gran storage structure ...
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:02 AM
Nov 2015

is 98% solid inside. Seems to me if you wanted to store grain, you might think about having a little space inside where you could actually put some grain.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
44. Nope, never heard that claim. It seems to me too glaringly, obviously asinine to be taken
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:59 AM
Nov 2015

seriously by an adult.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
49. There was a thread on this yesterday
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:10 AM
Nov 2015

About a crank archaeologist named Ron Wyatt who was big with Seventh Day Adventists.

Chick is more fundagelical, and I would expect him to be more of the "SDA is a cult" bent.

But I did run into some of Wyatt's stuff on the ark.

It could be a function of the local SDA population. Not too many where I grew up.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
50. So who was buried in the pyramids?
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:12 AM
Nov 2015

If they were tombs?

I don't believe they were for storing grain nor as tombs. Pyramids like chichen itza served an entirely different purpose and I think the grave meme are just as uniformed.


https://m.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
51. It's dogma of a religion.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:13 AM
Nov 2015

This is just SDA teachings, which my Dad would have called 'as fake as all religion' and my Mum would have called 'blasphemy'.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
52. I've never heard it
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:14 AM
Nov 2015

But I am from New england I and I don't think we have many churches of that religion here.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
58. No. I heard the story of Joseph storing up grain against the famine years, but nothing about storing
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:27 AM
Nov 2015

the grain in the pyramids.

yardwork

(61,698 posts)
59. If Ben Carson's beliefs are based on Chick tracts, his campaign will be colorful.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:31 AM
Nov 2015

I can't wait to hear his views on Catholics. I'm surprised he didn't go off on Halloween.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
63. Heard this in Bible class when reading the story of Joseph and his brothers. BUT never
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:43 AM
Nov 2015

heard, the pyramids built to only to store grain.

tanyev

(42,600 posts)
65. Nope, and I grew up in a conservative church denomination.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:46 AM
Nov 2015

Not batshit crazy Fundies, at least not at the time, but very conservative.

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
66. The notion goes back hundreds of years
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:53 AM
Nov 2015

Plenty of medieval art depicts it... though it has been decades since it was at all reasonable.

But Joseph didn't lower taxes... he increased them. The grain was the tax.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
70. Never
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:05 AM
Nov 2015

I grew up reading about Ancient Egypt and the Mayas and early China (yes, I was a geek), and the Pyramids were tombs, end of story.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
71. I teach mythology
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:01 AM
Nov 2015

and I look for commonalities in the stories as well as connections between peoples. In Mesopotamia, the goddess Ishtar was the one first credited with storing grain in anticipation of 7 years of famine. The Joseph account echoes her story of filling granaries in anticipation of a famine and her story predates his by centuries. The Ishtar story is one Abraham's tribe took with them when they left Mesopotamia.

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
73. No. I heard the story about Joseph and the Pharaoh's dream, but no pyramids were involved
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:17 AM
Nov 2015

I don't remember the details of the tale well enough to say where the grain was supposedly stored.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
77. That's because the OP got the story wrong.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:29 AM
Nov 2015

I guess they shouldn't have gone with the first thing they found on google.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
78. so the pyramids are not specifically mentioned as granaries - just that grain was stored
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:30 AM
Nov 2015

in Egypt by Joseph.

Just a broad assumption.

kcr

(15,318 posts)
81. I had never heard this before
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:16 AM
Nov 2015

It's possible maybe I'd heard it second hand from a fundie and just forgot.

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
82. No, and I was raised Southern Baptist and had the bible drummed into me from
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:25 AM
Nov 2015

earliest childhood. According to the King James translation, the grain from the seven years of plenty was put up in storehouses throughout the cities of Egypt (see verses 48 and 56 at the link below). No mention was ever made of the pyramids, and frankly, this type of confabulation was frowned upon. I don't see how Carson can claim this as an article of faith, if that is what he is doing, since there is no biblical basis for it (and of course, no historical or archaeological basis either).

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+41&version=KJV

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
84. I studied archaeology in college. This was one of the nuttier theories my professor debunked.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:42 AM
Nov 2015

Back in the day, before decipherment of hieroglyphics, there were all sorts of theories--mostly based on the Bible--or the Koran for folks of the Muslim persuasion. They also had the Greek historian Herotodus who clearly said that they were tombs but not everyone read the ancient Greek authors and lots of people read the Bible so the theory stuck.

The granary story--I refuse to call it a theory--was pretty well debunked early on by William Flinders Petrie and other early archaeologists. The idea that the pyramids were built by space aliens or refugees from Atlantis of course became more much more widespread in popular culture. I suppose it stuck in certain Fundamentalist circles (I've seen pamphlets to that effect) but it was pretty much underground until Dr. Ben opened his mouth.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
86. Nope. I was fortunate enough not to grow up around imbeciles.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:54 AM
Nov 2015

I had no idea at the time what a priceless gift that was...

dhill926

(16,351 posts)
87. so clearly there must be evidence of the grain that was stored....
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:56 PM
Nov 2015

some little bits anyway....molecules maybe. Or something.....right? Hmmm...

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
88. Not me.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:10 PM
Nov 2015

And it's a dumbass idea anyway. It would have been much easier to build many smaller silos than one large one. It's not like the pyramid was hollow and they just could pour in grain at the top until it was full.

Grain has to be stored properly to keep bugs and rodents from eating it. And you have to dry it out first so it doesn't rot. A large mass of grain encased in stone isn't the best recipe for air circulation.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
94. Freeper Carsonoids are doubling down. Now their saying Joseph built the early stepped pyramids
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:38 PM
Nov 2015

that were used to store grain and Moses built the other ones, the purpose of which are unknown but they are definitely not tombs.

Then one poster goes on to suggest that they built the Giza pyramids of solid rock with the plan to hollow them out to make graneries later. Moses just didn't get around to that part I guess.

The contempt of the right wing hoi polloi for ration judgement of any kind in favour of hyper subjectivity and emotion is staggering and quite dangerous

To them to say, I think 'it' could have happened in such and such a way according to bible based retrodiction, contradicts evidence that ]'it' happened in an entirely reasonable way according to all available evidence and existing pharonic texts.

They hate rationality. It is as simple as that

muriel_volestrangler

(101,354 posts)
98. Before this broke, Fred Clark pointed out how Joseph used the famine to confiscate Egyptian land
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:21 PM
Nov 2015

and set up the Pharaoh as the tyrannical owner of the whole country. It's a story of how a major figure in Jewish mythology was an evil bastard. Just substitute, say, 'Montgomery Burns' for 'Joseph':

Joseph and the Appalling Tyrannical Despot

Here is the part of this story I mean, from Genesis 47, describing how Pharaoh – with Joseph’s vital help – exploits a massive famine to turn his people into landless serfs and debt-slaves:

Now there was no food in all the land, for the famine was very severe. The land of Egypt and the land of Canaan languished because of the famine. Joseph collected all the money to be found in the land of Egypt and in the land of Canaan, in exchange for the grain that they bought; and Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh’s house.

When the money from the land of Egypt and from the land of Canaan was spent, all the Egyptians came to Joseph, and said, “Give us food! Why should we die before your eyes? For our money is gone.”

And Joseph answered, “Give me your livestock, and I will give you food in exchange for your livestock, if your money is gone.” So they brought their livestock to Joseph; and Joseph gave them food in exchange for the horses, the flocks, the herds, and the donkeys. That year he supplied them with food in exchange for all their livestock.

When that year was ended, they came to him the following year, and said to him, “We cannot hide from my lord that our money is all spent; and the herds of cattle are my lord’s. There is nothing left in the sight of my lord but our bodies and our lands. Shall we die before your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land in exchange for food. We with our land will become slaves to Pharaoh; just give us seed, so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate.”

So Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh. All the Egyptians sold their fields, because the famine was severe upon them; and the land became Pharaoh’s. As for the people, he made slaves of them from one end of Egypt to the other. … So Joseph made it a statute concerning the land of Egypt, and it stands to this day.

That’s a tale of reprehensible exploitation, oppression and enslavement. It betrays that “something in the soul that cries out for freedom” of which Martin Luther King Jr. spoke, echoing the prophets of the same scriptures that tell us the story of Joseph.

Perhaps it’s not surprising that a modern, Western reader would recoil from Joseph’s behavior in this story, but it isn’t simply my own 21st-century, democratic sensibility that is put off by this. The authors and compilers of the rest of the Pentateuch also share my discomfort with this story. Joseph and Pharaoh, the story says, conspired to amass wealth and consolidate power by preying on the hungry. That behavior is condemned and forbidden by each of the other four books of Moses – a prohibition that is frequently grounded in the reminder that “you were once slaves in Egypt.”
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Ultimately, not wholly satisfied with any of these defenses or even with their cumulative effect, Calvin settles on simply warning his readers not to follow Joseph’s example:

Let those who are too intent on wealth beware lest they should falsely employ Joseph’s example as a pretext: because it is certain that all contracts which are not formed according to the rule of charity are vicious in the sight of God; and that we ought, according to that equity which is inwardly dictated to us by a secret instinct of nature, so to act towards others as we wish to be dealt with ourselves.


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/10/23/joseph-and-the-appalling-tyrannical-despot/

DawgHouse

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100. No, and I was raised in a very Baptist home.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:25 PM
Nov 2015

The pyramids were tombs. Never heard they were used for storing the Pharaoh's grain.

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