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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust curious: did nobody else hear the "Pyramids were for storing grain" thing growing up?
I remember that from tracts people would hand out at revivals or whatever. The idea was that Joseph had the Pyramids built in order to store up grain. And that because he knew famine was coming, he lowered taxes, production soared, and there was enough grain for the 7 years.
(For those who aren't familiar with the story, Pharaoh had a dream in which he saw 7 fat cows and 7 skinny cows, and the skinny cows ate the fat cows. Joseph, who was in prison, had a reputation for interpreting dreams, so Pharaoh summoned him. Joseph said that the dream meant there would be 7 years of plenty followed by 7 years of famine. Pharaoh put Joseph in charge of preparing for the famine, and he raised -- not lowered -- taxes and took the grain people paid their taxes in and stored it in granaries, with the result that Egypt still had food during the famine while Joseph's shithead brothers who had tried to kill him nearly starved to death in Canaan.)
Anyways, I guess I just am not really surprised to hear somebody say that because I kind of grew up with it, and I'm curious if anybody else did.
(EDIT, since apparently this wasn't clear: of course the pyramids are tombs, not silos. I'm not saying it's a sane idea I'm saying it's an idea I've heard for years and years.)
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NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)I've heard the grain silo stories. But to imply that the pyramids are grain storage buildings is certifiable.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Thank you. That was my question.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)BTW, I wasn't attacking your family, I was attacking the people who actually believe and pass out Chick tracts. I grew up in the SE and learned to associate those with mental illness quite early.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And, yes, it was from Chick tracts and the ones that are even crazier (usually mimeographed by some dude in a basement).
annabanana
(52,791 posts)weird weird shit
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)You had probably never laid eyes on such a horrible thing and my reference to it probably made you google it.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)oppo research.
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)I just didn't realize it was not better-known crazy.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)I was afraid I my first reply would offend you and that was not my intent.
I have never heard that story about the pyramids.
I grew up in the South and DH grew up in the UK. Neither one of us had ever heard it. I am thankful it finally shut DH up when I tell him Carson is crazy though. He can no longer half defend Carson.
He hates Hillary too....sometimes I wonder why I married him, lol
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)My question is, if such monumental structures were needed to store grain safely; just how big were the fucking rats?
Why don't those rats rule the world now?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)flying rabbit
(4,636 posts)Quackers
(2,256 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)The Egyptians thought cats were sacred........because they got rid of all those big rats?
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)It there were cats big enough to subdue rats that need a 400 million ton stone building to keep them away from the wheat; Were are the religious texts honoring the cleaners of the litter boxes?
You can't let the cats figure out they can crap in the desert, the country would vanish in mountains of cat shit.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Lived near a 7DA church for a while. Saturday nights were loud.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hated going over his house.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Bought a new bed and slept for hours earlier. Best purchase in a long time. Feel so GOOD!
BooScout
(10,406 posts)I wish my hip would let me get one some nights. I just got a new bed too......but didn't get a memory foam....that was a mistake I think.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am so delighted.
My shoulder and back are out of wack. Next time do the memory foam. I was trying to get this nice spring matteress but my husband was not having it. So thankful he is bossy.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)It's totally worth it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)We just got rid of one.....but I was pissed because it started getting sections where the foam would split (if that makes sense) and it started doing that after about 2 years....we lived with it a long time, but finally had to replace it and I didn't want to get another one because of that. Now I am sorry.....even with the splits in the foam......it did wonders for my hip and now the pain is back with a vengeance.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)But I was raised Methodist, so either it wasn't taught by the Methodists or I missed it when I was out partaking behind the Baptist church where my friends that skipped Sunday school always met up.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Stories like that are big in certain black churches I been to. My grandma was a holy roller Seventh Day Adventist. Boy oh boy! I learned all type of untrue things. I learned very early how to hold crazy stuff in my head and not believe it. Probably why I'm an atheist now.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Partaking behind the Baptist church.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Never got caught once!
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Which is amazing, lol
murielm99
(30,755 posts)quick to point out that that is not part of their belief system.
I do not belong to that church, but I know some Adventists. They are not as crazy as some people here are saying.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The conservative christian type.
Like LDS vs FDLS.
dem in texas
(2,674 posts)I had a good grounding in studying the Bible when I was a child and the Pyramids were never mentioned in anyway. Also a few years back, I read a great book about finding King Tut's tomb in the 1920's. The book had a section of photographs taken right after the tomb was opened and there would be very little room to store grain in the rooms, only enough to feed a few people. And it took more than 7 years to build a Pyramid; something like 20 or 30 years. It may work for Fox News viewers, but it sure doesn't work for me. It's ridiculous!
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Saturdays were spent at the Museum of Natural History. Then off to Kendo practice.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)But then, according to quite a few fundies, Catholics aren't really Christian.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Catholicism is often conservative, but when it comes to the Bible, it is not fundamentalist at all, and it accepts historical-critical approaches to the Bible. So they would not say stuff like this.
eridani
(51,907 posts)I remember being shocked meeting anti-evolutionists for the first time in college.
madokie
(51,076 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)how old you are...
It was a popular thing in some circles in the 80s-90s. Especially in SDA circles.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)when I was young.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)There are adventists and pentecostals and assembly of God and I cannot remember which is which...
B Calm
(28,762 posts)was a no no. LOL
ProfessorGAC
(65,150 posts)My dad was a milkman. Delivered milk to supermarkets and had one hospital in the southwest suburbs. It was 7DA, and the cafeteria was meatless. They had these soy burgers in cans (like the size of a paint can) that just looked terrible. They served no meat. Didn't even have a meat cooler in a hospital with over 400 beds.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)I guess it was dirty or something. Strange religion. .
littlewolf
(3,813 posts)the Jewish were forbidden to eat Pork
and shellfish, it was considered unclean.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)is 98% solid inside. Seems to me if you wanted to store grain, you might think about having a little space inside where you could actually put some grain.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)seriously by an adult.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...and I missed that one entirely.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)About a crank archaeologist named Ron Wyatt who was big with Seventh Day Adventists.
Chick is more fundagelical, and I would expect him to be more of the "SDA is a cult" bent.
But I did run into some of Wyatt's stuff on the ark.
It could be a function of the local SDA population. Not too many where I grew up.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)If they were tombs?
I don't believe they were for storing grain nor as tombs. Pyramids like chichen itza served an entirely different purpose and I think the grave meme are just as uniformed.
https://m.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)This is just SDA teachings, which my Dad would have called 'as fake as all religion' and my Mum would have called 'blasphemy'.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)But I am from New england I and I don't think we have many churches of that religion here.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)the grain in the pyramids.
yardwork
(61,698 posts)I can't wait to hear his views on Catholics. I'm surprised he didn't go off on Halloween.
patricia92243
(12,598 posts)postulater
(5,075 posts)We had carnivals.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I miss the funnel cakes
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)heard, the pyramids built to only to store grain.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)tanyev
(42,600 posts)Not batshit crazy Fundies, at least not at the time, but very conservative.
FBaggins
(26,757 posts)Plenty of medieval art depicts it... though it has been decades since it was at all reasonable.
But Joseph didn't lower taxes... he increased them. The grain was the tax.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)hatrack
(59,592 posts)I grew up reading about Ancient Egypt and the Mayas and early China (yes, I was a geek), and the Pyramids were tombs, end of story.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)and I look for commonalities in the stories as well as connections between peoples. In Mesopotamia, the goddess Ishtar was the one first credited with storing grain in anticipation of 7 years of famine. The Joseph account echoes her story of filling granaries in anticipation of a famine and her story predates his by centuries. The Ishtar story is one Abraham's tribe took with them when they left Mesopotamia.
ck4829
(35,084 posts)Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)I don't remember the details of the tale well enough to say where the grain was supposedly stored.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Never heard the grain was stored in the pyramids
Rex
(65,616 posts)I guess they shouldn't have gone with the first thing they found on google.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)in Egypt by Joseph.
Just a broad assumption.
LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)It's one of the pyramidiots' theories.
kcr
(15,318 posts)It's possible maybe I'd heard it second hand from a fundie and just forgot.
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)earliest childhood. According to the King James translation, the grain from the seven years of plenty was put up in storehouses throughout the cities of Egypt (see verses 48 and 56 at the link below). No mention was ever made of the pyramids, and frankly, this type of confabulation was frowned upon. I don't see how Carson can claim this as an article of faith, if that is what he is doing, since there is no biblical basis for it (and of course, no historical or archaeological basis either).
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+41&version=KJV
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)Back in the day, before decipherment of hieroglyphics, there were all sorts of theories--mostly based on the Bible--or the Koran for folks of the Muslim persuasion. They also had the Greek historian Herotodus who clearly said that they were tombs but not everyone read the ancient Greek authors and lots of people read the Bible so the theory stuck.
The granary story--I refuse to call it a theory--was pretty well debunked early on by William Flinders Petrie and other early archaeologists. The idea that the pyramids were built by space aliens or refugees from Atlantis of course became more much more widespread in popular culture. I suppose it stuck in certain Fundamentalist circles (I've seen pamphlets to that effect) but it was pretty much underground until Dr. Ben opened his mouth.
Iggo
(47,564 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I had no idea at the time what a priceless gift that was...
dhill926
(16,351 posts)some little bits anyway....molecules maybe. Or something.....right? Hmmm...
krispos42
(49,445 posts)And it's a dumbass idea anyway. It would have been much easier to build many smaller silos than one large one. It's not like the pyramid was hollow and they just could pour in grain at the top until it was full.
Grain has to be stored properly to keep bugs and rodents from eating it. And you have to dry it out first so it doesn't rot. A large mass of grain encased in stone isn't the best recipe for air circulation.
BootinUp
(47,179 posts)struggle4progress
(118,330 posts)TacoD
(581 posts)Monk06
(7,675 posts)that were used to store grain and Moses built the other ones, the purpose of which are unknown but they are definitely not tombs.
Then one poster goes on to suggest that they built the Giza pyramids of solid rock with the plan to hollow them out to make graneries later. Moses just didn't get around to that part I guess.
The contempt of the right wing hoi polloi for ration judgement of any kind in favour of hyper subjectivity and emotion is staggering and quite dangerous
To them to say, I think 'it' could have happened in such and such a way according to bible based retrodiction, contradicts evidence that ]'it' happened in an entirely reasonable way according to all available evidence and existing pharonic texts.
They hate rationality. It is as simple as that
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I got lucky.
GP6971
(31,201 posts)It's the first I've heard of it.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,354 posts)and set up the Pharaoh as the tyrannical owner of the whole country. It's a story of how a major figure in Jewish mythology was an evil bastard. Just substitute, say, 'Montgomery Burns' for 'Joseph':
Here is the part of this story I mean, from Genesis 47, describing how Pharaoh with Josephs vital help exploits a massive famine to turn his people into landless serfs and debt-slaves:
Now there was no food in all the land, for the famine was very severe. The land of Egypt and the land of Canaan languished because of the famine. Joseph collected all the money to be found in the land of Egypt and in the land of Canaan, in exchange for the grain that they bought; and Joseph brought the money into Pharaohs house.
When the money from the land of Egypt and from the land of Canaan was spent, all the Egyptians came to Joseph, and said, Give us food! Why should we die before your eyes? For our money is gone.
And Joseph answered, Give me your livestock, and I will give you food in exchange for your livestock, if your money is gone. So they brought their livestock to Joseph; and Joseph gave them food in exchange for the horses, the flocks, the herds, and the donkeys. That year he supplied them with food in exchange for all their livestock.
When that year was ended, they came to him the following year, and said to him, We cannot hide from my lord that our money is all spent; and the herds of cattle are my lords. There is nothing left in the sight of my lord but our bodies and our lands. Shall we die before your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land in exchange for food. We with our land will become slaves to Pharaoh; just give us seed, so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate.
So Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh. All the Egyptians sold their fields, because the famine was severe upon them; and the land became Pharaohs. As for the people, he made slaves of them from one end of Egypt to the other. So Joseph made it a statute concerning the land of Egypt, and it stands to this day.
Thats a tale of reprehensible exploitation, oppression and enslavement. It betrays that something in the soul that cries out for freedom of which Martin Luther King Jr. spoke, echoing the prophets of the same scriptures that tell us the story of Joseph.
Perhaps its not surprising that a modern, Western reader would recoil from Josephs behavior in this story, but it isnt simply my own 21st-century, democratic sensibility that is put off by this. The authors and compilers of the rest of the Pentateuch also share my discomfort with this story. Joseph and Pharaoh, the story says, conspired to amass wealth and consolidate power by preying on the hungry. That behavior is condemned and forbidden by each of the other four books of Moses a prohibition that is frequently grounded in the reminder that you were once slaves in Egypt.
...
Ultimately, not wholly satisfied with any of these defenses or even with their cumulative effect, Calvin settles on simply warning his readers not to follow Josephs example:
Let those who are too intent on wealth beware lest they should falsely employ Josephs example as a pretext: because it is certain that all contracts which are not formed according to the rule of charity are vicious in the sight of God; and that we ought, according to that equity which is inwardly dictated to us by a secret instinct of nature, so to act towards others as we wish to be dealt with ourselves.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/10/23/joseph-and-the-appalling-tyrannical-despot/
UTUSN
(70,725 posts)DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)The pyramids were tombs. Never heard they were used for storing the Pharaoh's grain.