Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
34 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Obama, not going with the flow... (Original Post) kpete Nov 2015 OP
K&R nt TheBlackAdder Nov 2015 #1
The GOP will lose their minds over this. Bubzer Nov 2015 #2
Just send them to the transcript of his statement ... LannyDeVaney Nov 2015 #3
Nice! I'll need to remember that one! Bubzer Nov 2015 #8
Temporary jobs anyway ErikJ Nov 2015 #12
Oh they are out there in twitter land... Historic NY Nov 2015 #17
She should do something about this dandruff problem. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #32
No, he's not. herding cats Nov 2015 #4
Many, many miles of the Keystone Pipeline have already been completed. bvar22 Nov 2015 #5
Agreed. HeartoftheMidwest Nov 2015 #18
I hadn't heard about those, but that would fit with the way they operate. bvar22 Nov 2015 #20
There's zero chance they will call off their lawyers and abandon this. They may wait for prices to GoneFishin Nov 2015 #24
Great cartoon Gothmog Nov 2015 #6
Is this a brave position he's taking, or due to the market it's no longer feasible? NightWatcher Nov 2015 #7
Or could it be look at this, not at that, focus on this! Phlem Nov 2015 #9
Exactly! A great diversion from the much more horrible TPP! ananda Nov 2015 #13
then why not triangulate and approve it knowing it wouldn't happen?nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #19
K&R nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #10
K & R SunSeeker Nov 2015 #11
Obama Power houston16revival Nov 2015 #14
Then he pushes for the TPP FiveGoodMen Nov 2015 #16
He's too busy opening the massive sewer pipe of TPP. EEO Nov 2015 #15
HA!! 7962 Nov 2015 #23
still can't believe people still think 5000 people or more PatrynXX Nov 2015 #21
Its really ridiculous this took 7 years. The oil's coming anyway. 7962 Nov 2015 #22
Thank you Mr. President. Thank you! lonestarnot Nov 2015 #25
I have to think the recent election up in Canada had something to do with this? kentuck Nov 2015 #26
TransCanada asks U.S. to suspend Keystone pipeline application NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #27
+1 BeanMusical Nov 2015 #33
K&R! You done good Mr. President! riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #28
Hold on before the cheap champagne is unscrewed Rafale Nov 2015 #29
KnR! Hekate Nov 2015 #30
Anything that pisses off the right wing wackos... 63splitwindow Nov 2015 #31
Veto now...TPP lawsuit later d_legendary1 Nov 2015 #34

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
2. The GOP will lose their minds over this.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:04 PM
Nov 2015

Expect to see a lot of attacks about Obama being a job destroyer.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
3. Just send them to the transcript of his statement ...
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:07 PM
Nov 2015

he basically destroyed ANY right-wing "argument". Here is his best line, verbatim:

"So while our politics have been consumed by a debate over whether or not this pipeline would create jobs and lower gas prices, we’ve gone ahead and created jobs and lowered gas prices."


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
5. Many, many miles of the Keystone Pipeline have already been completed.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:12 PM
Nov 2015
Mobilization of equipment and services, including construction, for the project started in 2008. Site of first construction was in North Dakota at the U.S.-Canadian border in May 2008 with Canadian construction getting under way during June 2008. Completion on the pipeline section to Cushing is scheduled for the fourth quarter of 2010.

Although Keystone is several months from completion, TransCanada has started filling completed sections of the pipeline system.

Here is a quick tale-of-the tape for the Keystone project:

*Total length is 2,148 miles.

*1,379 total miles of new pipeline was built in the U.S., including 1,084 miles of the U.S. mainline from the U.S.-Canadian border to markets in Wood River and Patoka as Phase I and 295 miles from Nebraska to Cushing as Phase II.





I don't see the Resource Extraction Corporation just abandoning the multi-millions they have already spent. I expect something far more nefarious.
(Yes. You are right. I don't trust these guys.
I've known them far too long. They won't throw all this away.)

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
18. Agreed.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:47 PM
Nov 2015

The oil companies also have a little-discussed and largely unknown pipeline ( actually, maybe six running parallel to each other ) that runs from Dakota through Minnesota and through Wisconsin, down somewhere near Chicago.

The oil companies have quietly been testing those pipes for strength, and are planning to increase the amount of tar sludge running through them.

Maybe while everyone concentrates their ire on the Keystone line, it has been used as a diversion for what's REALLY going on through the Upper Midwest?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
20. I hadn't heard about those, but that would fit with the way they operate.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:11 PM
Nov 2015

I can't say Keystone was just a distraction.
We are talking thousands of miles of completed (and already filled) pipeline.
They aren't going to throw those Millions and Millions away.

It is already a Done Deal....I'm just waiting for the "Gotcha" from the Obama Administration
sometime after the pipeline is actually in use.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
24. There's zero chance they will call off their lawyers and abandon this. They may wait for prices to
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:31 AM
Nov 2015

sky-rocket again, but they are not done. No way.

Anyway, what's to stop the new administration from approving it anyway?

This is political theater.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. Is this a brave position he's taking, or due to the market it's no longer feasible?
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:40 PM
Nov 2015

I thought that because of the price of oil, several projects had been shelved. I'm glad it's been stopped but I thought it had more to do with market conditions than anything else.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
9. Or could it be look at this, not at that, focus on this!
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:54 PM
Nov 2015

Because the TPP just burned holes in my eyes.


houston16revival

(953 posts)
14. Obama Power
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:35 PM
Nov 2015

goes to clean energy future again!

GOP are going to be livid.

But technology is the future, coal and oil are the past and present.

You gotta say, Obama keeps policy making around progressive themes and
it will be a long hard unwinding in most instances if the GOP even gets the chance.

And maybe ringing that liberal liberty bell will move us a hair left for a change.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
16. Then he pushes for the TPP
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:27 PM
Nov 2015

after which it probably won't be up to the US President or Congress whether it gets built.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
21. still can't believe people still think 5000 people or more
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:11 PM
Nov 2015

are needed to connect pre built pipes and weld them together. No it's 50 jobs and they'll be going down the line connecting the dots. Be a major waste of money to have almost 5000 people just standing around watching

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
22. Its really ridiculous this took 7 years. The oil's coming anyway.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:24 PM
Nov 2015

Always has been. Hell, a huge pipeline already exists. Now, there will just be more sent in railcars. Whoop dee do. I try to look for "victories" that actually mean something

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
26. I have to think the recent election up in Canada had something to do with this?
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:25 AM
Nov 2015

The liberals are now in charge in Canada.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
31. Anything that pisses off the right wing wackos...
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:14 AM
Nov 2015

is, by that criteria alone, the right thing to do. That is how absolutely screwed up their world view currently is.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Obama, not going with the...