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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:17 PM Nov 2015

Historic: Ohio Voters Just Banned Gerrymandering, Restoring Faith In Democracy

Historic: Ohio Voters Just Banned Gerrymandering, Restoring Faith In Democracy
by Steven Bernstein • November 4, 2015

Typically, laws are implemented through the legislative process by our elected representatives. Twenty-six states and Washington, D.C., however, allow for a system of referendums or public initiatives – a sort of veto right for their citizens, and Ohio is one of them. On Tuesday, Ohioans overwhelmingly approved an amendment to their state constitution called Issue 1– calling for a renewal in the democratic process by more fairly drawing up voting districts. In fact, according to Cleveland.com “with 92% of the vote counted this morning the issue was passing 72 percent to 28 percent with ‘yes’ votes in favor of the referendum outnumbering ‘no’ votes by 1.2 million.”

Issue 1 was sponsored by Common Cause Ohio and the League of Women Voters of Ohio to help organize fair districting in the election process, and they are jubilant over their victory. “For so long, these state legislative districts have been drawn to favor one party over the other” said Catherine Turcer of Common Cause. “This is an amendment that does renew faith in the democratic process.” Carrie Davis, executive director of the League of Women Voters of Ohio said: “Ohio voters sent a clear message today…They want districts to be fair and the winners to be determined by the voters.”

Winners to be determined by the voters – what a novel idea! Redistricting in order to gain a partisan advantage is known as gerrymandering, and has become one of the key tools in the Republican war chest to repress voters and entrench their stolen gains. Since districts are usually drawn up once in ten years based upon the census, district mapping has incredibly important long-term effects on the political process. In Ohio’s case that process is the responsibility of an apportionment board, made up of the governor, secretary of state, an auditor, and two legislators – one from each party. However, under Issue 1, while the redistricting process is still the responsibility of the apportionment board, the new amendment “ensures there will be at least two members from the minority party on the new seven-member board. There was only one Democrat on the five-member board that drew the current districts in 2011…Support from two members of the minority party is required to approve a map for the full decade. A map still can be approved by a majority vote, but without the two votes from the minority party, the whole process will have to be redone four years later” – not ten.

While it is hoped that by the end of four years term limits and subsequent elections will have pushed some apportionment board members out of office, the most important change is that the process is required to be fair and public. ..............


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Historic: Ohio Voters Just Banned Gerrymandering, Restoring Faith In Democracy (Original Post) L. Coyote Nov 2015 OP
The GOP can steal their votes via electronic vote flipping. nt valerief Nov 2015 #1
If you know how, so can you. But, that won't put you in jail unless you actually do. L. Coyote Nov 2015 #3
Done all the time. Paid for by the guys with all the money. valerief Nov 2015 #5
........................... HeartoftheMidwest Nov 2015 #11
I'm not into faith-based stolen elections. L. Coyote Nov 2015 #17
Actually, faith isn't a factor. HeartoftheMidwest Nov 2015 #18
About time! Best news ever! Rex Nov 2015 #2
Floridians banned gerrymandering several years ago as well. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2015 #4
It is illegal to do it anywhere in the USA. Rex Nov 2015 #6
Terrific. These sponsors probably know how to write a law that Hortensis Nov 2015 #7
Other states may follow the lead and place this idea on the ballot. L. Coyote Nov 2015 #10
and it cant be challenged in court? saturnsring Nov 2015 #8
A bizarre gerrymandering routine in Ohio was designed to eliminate Democrats from Congress. freshwest Nov 2015 #9
This is one of 3 reforms we need: SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #12
Iowa and NH white folks concerns dictate the primary process for months and months...a huge problem. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #14
And my state of SC SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #16
Remember who those white folks in Iowa voted for in the 2008 primary? Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #19
Kudos! Change the primary process, at a minimum.....would be a huge first step! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #13
A start but your praise is over the top daybranch Nov 2015 #15

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
3. If you know how, so can you. But, that won't put you in jail unless you actually do.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:27 PM
Nov 2015

"Can" is one thing, it isn't doing.

False stolen election fright is another. Destabalizing faith in election integrity in liberal niches is part of the voter suppression strategy.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
11. ...........................
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:56 PM
Nov 2015

B&^^$#^t.
The opposite is true.............more elections have been stolen, based on statistical analysis and exit polling data, than anyone has stood up and protested. We, the electorate, just roll over and let it continue.

Brownback in Kansas, Bevin in Kentucky,....the list goes on and on.

If anything, the public needs to demand MORE transparency, and more reviews of questionable elections. When those elections stand up to the scrutiny by unbiased experts, and nonpartisans from both sides, THEN we can have "faith" in elections.



L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
17. I'm not into faith-based stolen elections.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:54 PM
Nov 2015

You can't just declare elections stolen without proving it. Or do you just repeat other declarations of the faith variety without critical assessment?

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
18. Actually, faith isn't a factor.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:13 PM
Nov 2015

Funny you should word it that way.
There's already plenty of documented proof of vote suppression, vote tampering, and of outright theft of elections.
To believe otherwise would be to have FAITH that everything's fine.
Not every election is stolen. Not every election needs to be stolen.
But enough that are critical have been.


Edited for spelling....darn you, f.lux!!!!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,190 posts)
4. Floridians banned gerrymandering several years ago as well.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:29 PM
Nov 2015

And yet the Republicans here still managed to do it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. It is illegal to do it anywhere in the USA.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:33 PM
Nov 2015

That doesn't mean shit to some and they do it anyway. Texas is horrible.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Terrific. These sponsors probably know how to write a law that
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:43 PM
Nov 2015

will not be reversed by the courts. Hope, hope!

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
8. and it cant be challenged in court?
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:59 PM
Nov 2015

Support from two members of the minority party is required to approve a map for the full decade. A map still can be approved by a majority vote, but without the two votes from the minority party, the whole process will have to be redone four years later” – not ten

so every 4 years they redo the process give the minority dems the middle finger and go on for another 4 years and it cant be challenged in court

where's the benefit we only lost our right to sue over it

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. A bizarre gerrymandering routine in Ohio was designed to eliminate Democrats from Congress.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:08 PM
Nov 2015

They made up a district which pitted Kucinich against Kaptur, IIRC. It did not make any demograpic sense, and it was done exactly the same way to deny Democrats who were in safe districts in Texas from getting elected. That gave us Louie Gohmert and other such horrors.

I love that the League of Women Voters was heard on this and want them to moderate the state and national debates again. The media corporations have ruined them and we are left with trivia and gotcha moments.

Best example are the GOP circus with no issues talked about that effect the lives of Americans. Not even RWNJs are helped by this stuff usually, unless facism is their true goal.

May this law prove to be effective and we can start taking control back from the grifters and crooks.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
12. This is one of 3 reforms we need:
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:58 PM
Nov 2015

2- Get rid of ridiculous primary process. Nationalize it so that Iowa, NH and SC - three of the most atypical states in the nation- don't get to select the finalists or often the candidates before any other states have a say. (and I'm from SC and I know it isn't fair)

3- Get the tons of corrupting cash out of elections. I would prefer public financing, but limits on individual donors, prohibitions on corporate donors and strict accountability and transparancy would be a huge step forward.

But, of all three, what Ohio did is the most important.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
16. And my state of SC
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:06 PM
Nov 2015

Dem primary is a majority of black voters and the Rep primary is some of the most racist white voters in the country - neither of which relates to the national population. I can't believe that millions of voters in California and elsewhere basically have no say in the process - other than to try to buy the election if they have sufficient $$$ to do so.
My unsolicited solution: a lottery to draw all 50 states in 5 groups and then have 10 random states hold primaries every 2 weeks. Next election the first 10 go to the last primary, so after 5 elections each state has been treated equally.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
15. A start but your praise is over the top
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:53 PM
Nov 2015

Yes Gerrymandering in Ohio for the Ohio Senate and the Ohio House has been dramatically reduced, but do not forget that this Gerrymandering of state elections will continue until 2021 and Gerrymandering of representatives for the US House of representatives is still legal. While we celebrate this important achievement, we must turn our eys to amending the state constitution further instilling democracy. We should start right away to gather signatures to push another amendment which would both start the process in 2017 and also expand the law to cover Congressional representatives from Ohio. According to past discussions I have had with a representative of Common Cause, I know we can legally do this. Lets get started, and build upon this early victory to restore real democracy in Ohio.

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