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Stinky The Clown

(67,819 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:35 AM Nov 2015

What is the non violent way forward?

Personally, I'm not sure there is one. I have never seen any possibility of finding compromise with fanatics - religious or otherwise - of any stripe. When the fanatics are hellbent on destroying you, what options remain?

fa·nat·ic
fəˈnadik/
noun
noun: fanatic; plural noun: fanatics

1. a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause.

synonyms: zealot, extremist, militant, dogmatist, devotee, adherent; More
sectarian, bigot, partisan, radical, diehard;
informal: maniac
"a religious fanatic"

informal: a person with an obsessive interest in and enthusiasm for something, especially an activity.
"a fitness fanatic"

adjective
adjective: fanatic

1. filled with or expressing excessive zeal.
"his fanatic energy"
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What is the non violent way forward? (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Nov 2015 OP
IMO very few, if any, sadly. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2015 #1
What is the non violent solution to dealing with home invaders? Kalidurga Nov 2015 #2
Of course there isn't one. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #3
We fix what we broke. Octafish Nov 2015 #4
In which countries do you think the US should build factories and schools? oberliner Nov 2015 #5
We will be doing this at the expense of our own country cap Nov 2015 #10
Every country we attacked for no good reason. Octafish Nov 2015 #12
Perhaps they don't want us there building schools and factories oberliner Nov 2015 #15
It'd be worth a try! elias49 Nov 2015 #16
send our war criminals off to the Hague madokie Nov 2015 #6
Hyperbolically speaking ... ananda Nov 2015 #7
Were there problems in the world before oil? The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #8
Quit doing business with the countries that support them TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #9
We try to find their money tree, and cut it down. GliderGuider Nov 2015 #11
Right on madokie Nov 2015 #14
Cut off their funding using our Five Eyes spy network and NATO alliance riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #13

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. What is the non violent solution to dealing with home invaders?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:59 AM
Nov 2015

Or any number of situations where someone wants to act violently? Sometimes you have to use force. One should always work toward a peaceful, non violent solution of course. But, it it's not possible then one has to work toward inflicting the least amount of harm especially on people that are innocent. That being said I will not lose sleep over dead terrorists. But, I do weep for some of the misguided efforts in the war against terrorism.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
3. Of course there isn't one.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:59 AM
Nov 2015

The choice facing Iraq and Syria is not violence vs non-violence, it's violence with Western involvement vs violence without Western involvement.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. We fix what we broke.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:05 AM
Nov 2015

Start with water and hospitals, go from there...farms, schools, factories...

Better than destroying, which just begets more destruction, like killing does.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. In which countries do you think the US should build factories and schools?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:19 AM
Nov 2015

Can you explain what exactly you are envisioning here?

cap

(7,170 posts)
10. We will be doing this at the expense of our own country
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:32 AM
Nov 2015

Also China is the lowest cost and increasingly best value contractor for large scale projects.


Not nixing your proposal but just pointing out trade offs.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. Every country we attacked for no good reason.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:36 AM
Nov 2015

Start with Iran for what we did in 1953 and Guatemala for 1954 and work forward.

Edward Bernays, 'Father of Modern Propaganda,' helped CIA overthrow democracy in Guatemala in 1954. Please scroll down to pages 10-12 for specifics:

http://www.slideshare.net/PatrickWarren09/use-of-propaganda-in-the-cia-controlled-guatemalan-revolution-of-1954-removed-a-democratically-elected-leader-7291102

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. Perhaps they don't want us there building schools and factories
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:16 PM
Nov 2015

In fact, American-made schools and factories could even be seen as provocative in places where we have caused damage.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
6. send our war criminals off to the Hague
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:21 AM
Nov 2015

would be a good start.
The whole of the bush/cheney administration would be where to find them

ananda

(28,877 posts)
7. Hyperbolically speaking ...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:23 AM
Nov 2015

... get rid of those 3 billion barrels of oil and
move to clean, alternative energy, leaving us
no fucking reason at all to stay in the ME,
where we have no business interfering anyway.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,219 posts)
9. Quit doing business with the countries that support them
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:29 AM
Nov 2015

Quit buying their oil and quit selling them anything, especially military equipment.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
11. We try to find their money tree, and cut it down.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:35 AM
Nov 2015

That will take lots of intelligence work, international diplomatic "violence" etc. It will be far more effective than a direct armed response - but not as viscerally satisfying of course.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
13. Cut off their funding using our Five Eyes spy network and NATO alliance
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:41 AM
Nov 2015

Seek out ways to integrate disaffected immigrant populations instead of marginalizing them

Work towards humanitarian goals in the ME, not military goals.

Get our troops out of the ME - we're doing far, far more damage being there wreaking havoc

Move the world off oil and onto renewables asap




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