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whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:59 PM Nov 2015

These are the NRA gun nuts who are going to stop the terrorists

Last edited Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:25 PM - Edit history (15)



America lives with terrorism every day.

Shot Dead Over Texting
MIAMI — An argument over texting at the movies ended in a cellphone user’s death on Monday afternoon when a retired police officer in the audience shot him at a theater near Tampa, Fla., the authorities said.

Two couples were among patrons at a matinee of “Lone Survivor” at the Grove 16 movie theater in Wesley Chapel, about 20 miles northeast of Tampa, when one of the men, a retired Tampa police officer, got angry because the man in front of him was using his phone during the previews, despite being asked to stop several times, said Douglas Tobin, a Pasco County sheriff’s office spokesman.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/14/us/florida-man-is-shot-to-death-for-texting-during-movie-previews.html

Man in Theater Shoots Self in Ass
A 56-year-old man whom police say has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon accidentally shot himself in the buttocks inside the Century 14 movie theaters in downtown Sparks on Tuesday night. No one else was hurt as about 30 people were watching The Bourne Legacy. Witnesses told police the man immediately got up, apologized to those around him, and left the theater before cops arrived. He later was found seeking medical treatment at a Reno hospital. Time for metal detectors?
http://deadline.com/2012/08/ass-accidentally-shoots-self-in-ass-in-nevada-movie-theater-no-one-else-hurt-319688/

Man accidentally shoots himself at Oklahoma ‘Muslim-free’ gun store
An Oklahoma man accidentally shot himself Tuesday after dropping his firearm in the same gun shop being guarded by armed citizens after it received threats for declaring itself a Muslim-free business.

The unidentified man was inside the Save Yourself Survival and Tactical Gear store in Oktaha when he dropped his .45 Colt revolver, which discharged and shot him in the right arm, according to multiple reports.
http://www.guns.com/2015/08/19/man-accidentally-shoots-himself-at-oklahoma-muslim-free-gun-store/

Open-Carry Militia Mom ‘Murders’ Family
Along with Dunnachie’s civic mindedness—she was a Republican election judge—and her penchant for right-wing and fringe causes, including the open carry of firearms, both husband and wife were members of the 3%ers Texas, according to former members of the group and posts on social media. The group is part of a greater modern militia movement named for what adherents claim is the share of colonists who fought during the American Revolutionary War.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/16/open-carry-militia-mom-murders-family.html

Armed citizen’s gun accidentally discharges in front of military recruiting center
LANCASTER, Ohio (WCMH)-Police in Lancaster say no one was hurt when a gun of one of the armed citizens guarding a military recruiting center discharged. According to Lancaster police, officers responded Thursday to the military recruiting station in the 1500 block of River Valley Boulevard, on the report of an accidental discharge of a gun. Christopher Reed told police he was standing in front of the military recruiting station with his AR-15 rifle to guard military personal, when a man asked to look at his gun. Reed said he attempted to clear the ammunition from the gun, and accidentally fired it into the pavement.
http://nbc4i.com/2015/07/23/armed-citizens-gun-accidentally-discharges-in-front-of-military-recruiting-center/

Boy Shoots Dad in Dressing Room
OKLAHOMA CITY - A young boy accidentally shot his father and himself Saturday night, when he got his hands on the father's loaded gun at the Bass Pro Shops in downtown Oklahoma City.
According to police, the incident happened in the men's dressing room when the father was trying on a waist-band holster.
http://www.news9.com/story/24871735/police-boy-accidentally-shoots-dad-self-at-okc-bass-pro-shops

Man in Theater Shoots Own Leg
Salina, Kan. - It was a scare for those at a Kansas movie theater after a man’s gun goes off- shooting himself in the leg.
The shooting happened inside a Salina movie theater at Central Mall during a showing Friday night.
Inside that movie theater, witnesses say emotions went from feeling danger and fear- to helping the man who police say accidentally shot himself in the leg.
http://www.news9.com/story/24871735/police-boy-accidentally-shoots-dad-self-at-okc-bass-pro-shops

3 injured when man’s gun goes off in Sanford Cracker Barrel
Deputies said the weapon fell out of the gun owner’s holster while he was walking through the dining room of the Cracker Barrel at 200 Hickman Circle in Sanford.

Deputies said William Hoback was talking to the checkout counter when his gun slipped out of his holster and fired. The bullet hit a kettle, which sent fragments flying.

Three people were hit by the shrapnel, including a restaurant manager and Hoback’s fiancé. The third victim’s leg was badly cut and he had to go to the hospital.
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/man-not-charged-after-gun-goes-sanford-cracker-bar/npD4w/

Man Shoots Self in Leg
Burlington police say a 30-year-old man shot himself in the leg while putting a handgun back in a holster. Police say they don't know why the man, whose name was not released, had taken his gun from his holster in a grassy area near the intersection of Cherry and St. Paul Streets at about 11:15 a.m.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2014/11/25/man-shoots-self-leg-burlington/70109330/

Man Shoots Self in Head, Uses Neosporin
KTUU reports an Anchor Point man accidentally shot himself in the head while handling his gun. Instead of immediately going to the hospital, the man just put Neosporin on the wound for five days. Yes, Neosporin. According to the ointment's website, it's to be used for, "First aid to help prevent infection in minor: cuts, scrapes, burns," according to Neosporin. Gunshot wounds to the head? Not mentioned. Alaska's Peninsula Clarion identifies the man as 43-year-old James Doppler and says he was "negligently" handling the gun.
http://www.ktuu.com/news/news/man-visits-hospital-with-5dayold-head-wound-from-gunplay/26010442

Man Shoots Self Cleaning Gun
CLAREMONT, N.H. - New Hampshire police say a man is recovering after he accidentally shot himself. Claremont police tell us that the man was cleaning his gun Saturday night when it went off. He was taken to the hospital and is expected to be okay.
http://www.wcax.com/story/24925372/man-shoots-self-while-cleaning-gun

Hialeah man accidentally shoots self at gun range
HIALEAH, Fla. (WSVN) -- According to Hialeah Police, a South Florida man accidentally shot himself in the chest at a local gun range.
http://www.wsvn.com/story/27319712/hialeah-man-accidentally-shoots-self-at-gun-range

Man accidentally shoots self in N. Richland Hills parking lot
he man was in his car in a strip center parking lot on the 5300 block of Rufe Snow Drive, examining his gun when he accidentally discharged the gun into his leg, per Det. Keith Bauman with North Richland Hills PD. The man was taken by helicopter to a local hospital. He was conscious and talking at the time. Police say he had a concealed handgun license.
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/2015/02/21/man-accidentally-shoots-self-in-n-richland-hills-parking-lot/23801651/

Man accidentally shoots self during gun safety class at pawn shop
A 23-year-old man accidentally shot himself during a gun safety class at a pawn shop, according to the Orange County Sheriff's Office. It happened at Instant Replay Pawn Shop and Shooting Range on Colonial Drive between Dean and Rouse roads, said Lt. Paul Hopkins. The gun went off accidentally and the bullet grazed his leg, Hopkins said. A family member took him to the hospital.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-accidental-shooting-gun-class-orlando-20150620-story.html

Boy Shoots Girl After Joking About Shooting Her Breasts
Officials said the boy allegedly told Williams he was going to shoot one of her breasts. Despite suffering a gunshot to the upper left torso region, Williams is expected to recover. Pompano Beach paramedics treated her, and Broward Sheriff Fire Rescue took her by helicopter to Broward Health Medical Center, where she remained hospitalized Tuesday. At Tuesday's court hearing, officials said the young shooting suspect was on probation, but didn't say what led to the probation.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-05-28/news/fl-pompano-girl-shot-folo-20130528_1_pompano-beach-shooting-boy-gun

Toddler shoots, kills mom at Walmart
HAYDEN — A Blackfoot, Idaho woman died Tuesday at the Hayden Wal-Mart store after her 2-year-old son accidentally shot her with a gun she was carrying in her purse. (...) “She was not the least bit irresponsible,” Terry Rutledge said. “She was taken much too soon.”
http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_8e8da1da-9064-11e4-8d23-4b8d13426db6.html

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Man Shoots Waitress Telling Him He Cannot Smoke in restaurant
Around 1 a.m. Friday morning, officials say 45-year-old Johnny Max Mount walked into a Biloxi Waffle House on Hwy. 90, near the Coast Coliseum. As other customers dined, Mount reportedly argued with a Waffle House employee, identified by a restaurant spokesperson only as "Julie", who told Mount he couldn't smoke inside the establishment. Following the argument, police say Mount pulled a 9 mm handgun from underneath his shirt, and shot the employee in the head.
http://www.wlox.com/story/30614080/police-argument-over-cigarette-leads-to-murder-at-biloxi-waffle-house

Phoenix man shoots self by accident while trying to show gun wouldn’t fire
A 23-year-old Phoenix man was in critical condition after shooting himself in the head by accident while trying to show that a handgun could not be fired while he had the safety mechanism engaged. The Navajo County Sheriff’s Office said Christen Reece fired his handgun Wednesday while shooting with six other people outside Overgaard in eastern Arizona.
http://ktar.com/story/610481/man-shoots-self-while-trying-to-show-gun-wouldnt-fire/

Man 'shoots himself in penis and tries to blame black guy'
After the 43-year-old took himself to hospital suffering from a gun shot wound in a place that was particularly painful, he told police that he had been the victim of an attempted hold-up by a “black guy”.

Mr Watson required surgery after the September 6 incident. Two days after the surgery, Watson was re-interviewed and told officers he was examining the gun, placed it in his pocket and the gun discharged, striking him in the penis. He refused to tell officers who was selling the gun and where the gun is now.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/man-shoots-himself-in-penis-and-tries-to-blame-black-guy-a6671031.html

Teen shoots two children in accidental shooting in Orlando
Deputies said it appears a neighborhood friend in his teens showed up holding a gun. They said he accidentally shot two children. One child was hit in the foot and another child hit in the hand. A third child went to the hospital with gun-powered burns.
http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2015/10/26/deputies_3_kids_inju.html

Child Shot in Family Photo Shoot with Guns
Hamilton County releases more information on the accidental shooting of a 13 year old Sunday night in Harrison. The department says that the preliminary investigation found that the young teen was accidentally shot by a family member while posing for photos with firearms. And the firearms were illegally obtained.
http://www.wdef.com/news/story/New-Details-on-13-Year-Old-Shot-in-the-Face/HDyZISX2N0eNNHHSV9gEkg.cspx

Man Jokes Around, Shoots and Kills Friend
The Gazette reports 24-year-old Benjamen Sinclair has been charged with manslaughter in the death of 30-year-old Ethan Montoya early Sunday morning. An arrest affidavit says he told investigators he thought the 9 mm handgun was unloaded when he pointed it at and said goodnight to Montoya in a joking manner. Montoya was shot in the upper left part of his chest.
http://fox21news.com/ap/man-says-he-accidentally-killed-friend-in-colorado-springs/

Man Shoots Up Planned Parenthood, Kills Three, Wounds Nine
A gun battle erupted inside a Planned Parenthood center here on Friday when a man armed with an assault-style rifle opened fire at the clinic and began shooting at officers as they rushed to the scene. The authorities reported that three people were killed, a police officer and two civilians, and nine were wounded before the suspect finally surrendered more than five hours after the first shots were fired.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/28/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting.html

Militia Men Shoot Five at Black Lives Matter Protest
But Allen ‘Lance’ Scarsella’s Facebook photo shows a mole above his eyebrow that suggests he is the passenger who calls himself Black Powder Ranger in the video. Scarella’s cover photo shows ‘Bonnie Blue’ Confederate flag, captioned, ‘This isn’t the somalian flag, (by the way).’ He lists among his ‘like’ several gun shops and pro-gun groups associated with the III Percent militia movement, as well as the OAF Nation military veterans militia group.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/white-supremacist-video-foreshadows-minneapolis-shooting-article-1.2446801
http://www.realcourage.org/2015/11/minnesota-men-identified/

Two Year Old Shoots Self With Shotgun
The 2-year-old victim has been identified as Abigail Newman. A 911 caller, who said she was the only adult at home with four children, said the victim had been shot in the neck by a shotgun that was left on a table. "...It was loaded on the table and I didn't know it, and a little girl is shot," she tells the dispatcher. The caller's name was redacted from the 911 recording. The woman later tells the dispatcher the gun is her husband's and was left on a table by the bed. She says her husband is at work.
http://www.blueridgenow.com/2-year-oredld-dies-from-accidental-gunshot?Title=Victim-named-in-accidental-shooting-loaded-gun-was-on-table-

Two Year Old Shoots Self
ACWORTH, Ga. -- Authorities said a 2-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed himself at a home in Acworth Tuesday evening. According to Acworth Police Officer Youlanda Leverette, the 2-year-old was able to get ahold of a family handgun that was left on a bed when the boy's father stepped away Tuesday evening. The child got the gun and shot himself in the head. Authorities said the child's father was home, the mother was at work.
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/acworth/2015/10/27/2-year-old-boy-shoots-kills-himself-acworth-home/74717706/

Yes, Another Two Year Old Shoots Self
Rashunn Hill Jr. is charged with culpable negligence for allowing the gun to be within reach of his young son who accidentally shot himself at his home in the Cypress Court Apartments on Seminole Avenue.

Police say Hill left the handgun on top of a couch while he went to work. The child, who was home with his mother at the time of the shooting, discharged the gun and injured his thumb.

Officias say the parents did not call 911, but rather they received a call Thursday morning from the Gulf Coast Medical Center saying the child was being treated for minor injuries.
http://www.winknews.com/2015/10/29/fmpd-2-year-old-accidentally-shot/

Seventeen Year Old Playing With His New Gun, Shoots Girlfriend
A 17-year-old Port Arthur man toying with a new gun accidentally fired a shot that grazed his 16-year-old girlfriend’s ear Friday morning. The incident occurred about 10 AM Oct. 30 at Sunset Way Apartments, 3280 Central Mall Blvd. Port Arthur Police Maj. Raymond Clark said the female was treated at The Medical Center of Southeast Texas. No charges will be filed in the incident.
http://www.panews.com/2015/10/30/man-accidently-shoots-girlfriend-in-ear/

Two Shot at Expo Idaho gun show after rifle discharges
For the second time in three years, an accidental gun discharge has injured someone at a gun show at Expo Idaho in Garden City.

A 74-year-old gun vendor from Washington told investigators he was securing a Savage Arms B Mag .17-caliber bolt-action rifle with a plastic zip tie when the weapon discharged, an Ada County Sheriff’s Office official said. There was a shell in the rifle, and he mistakenly fired it, according to Sheriff’s Office spokesman Patrick Orr. The bullet went through a cardboard box, two table covers and a metal cane, then struck the leg of the 51-year-old holding the cane and the leg of a 64-year-old man standing nearby.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article42319527.html

Woman Shoots Self in Foot, Again
A woman reportedly shot herself in the foot with a .45 caliber semi automatic handgun after someone approached her front door on the 1200 block of Jackson Street. A second round reportedly passed through a wall and over a sleeping roommate. Admitting she was unfamiliar with the weapon, the woman was ticketed for prohibited use of a weapon and reckless endangerment. The woman reportedly shot herself in the same foot earlier this year.
http://www.cortezjournal.com/article/20151109/COMMUNITY01/151109843/Police-blotter-

These are just a few. When it comes to gun nut stupidity, there are thousands of examples.


More here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/15/1439214/-As-the-Founders-intended-the-woman-with-the-foot-so-tyrannical-she-shot-it-twice-GunFAIL-CLXV
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These are the NRA gun nuts who are going to stop the terrorists (Original Post) whereisjustice Nov 2015 OP
They are furiously posting on the Internet their 'logical superiority.' nt onehandle Nov 2015 #1
How do you TeddyR Nov 2015 #2
Examples of people that misuse firearms resulting in gun violence... beevul Nov 2015 #3
NOT talking about guns here... Bigmack Nov 2015 #5
The same HAS been said... beevul Nov 2015 #9
Yeah, you're the victim here. Totally. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #12
I guess I struck a nerve... beevul Nov 2015 #14
Do you feel the gun owners listed above have proven they are irresponsible B Calm Nov 2015 #24
Yes, though I haven't read the details of each, so I reserve the right to make an exception. beevul Nov 2015 #25
No on your question. I think we're on the same page here. Now all we need to do B Calm Nov 2015 #26
Education would go a long ways in preventing alot of what the OP has listed. beevul Nov 2015 #27
Yes it would, it should be a law! B Calm Nov 2015 #28
Certainly it should be taught to every individual at some point. beevul Nov 2015 #29
Indeed, you irritate my sensibilities, because you so clearly fit the profile but just don't care Electric Monk Nov 2015 #30
Well! beevul Nov 2015 #33
Most gun owners do not carry them around. nt Logical Nov 2015 #11
Please point me to who said they did. N/T beevul Nov 2015 #18
You did. nt Logical Nov 2015 #19
I did what? N/T beevul Nov 2015 #22
I like the guy who shoots himself in the head and his first thought is neosporin. Initech Nov 2015 #4
Yes. He was described as negligently handling his gun - LiberalElite Nov 2015 #23
even The Dark VP Cheney himself was involved in a gun stupidity shooting Sunlei Nov 2015 #6
Not only gun nut stupidity, but also mass shootings. mnhtnbb Nov 2015 #7
+1 daleanime Nov 2015 #10
The voices told me to stay home today and clean the guns underpants Nov 2015 #8
Also... jmowreader Nov 2015 #13
Thanks... I added it to the list... “She was not the least bit irresponsible,” - amazing. whereisjustice Nov 2015 #15
Well- ruffburr Nov 2015 #16
Guns and Stupid belong together. Which would be fine if the combination was not terrorizing Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #17
WOW! It's GUNZ DISCUSSION again. Wait. When did it end? Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #20
justice. Do you want them to? Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Nov 2015 #31
A classic: tblue37 Nov 2015 #32
K&R! Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #34
Nov. 27 Update - Too Many Fucking Idiots with Their Goddamn Guns ~ ! whereisjustice Nov 2015 #35
 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
2. How do you
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:13 PM
Nov 2015

"Accidentally" shoot yourself in the chest at a range? Unless he/she dropped the gun, that sounds a lot like someone who shouldn't own a gun. You NEVER point the gun at yourself or someone else unless you intend to harm that person. I've seen some people at a range who made me a bit nervous but never seen someone point the gun at themselves.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
3. Examples of people that misuse firearms resulting in gun violence...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:31 PM
Nov 2015

Examples of people that misuse firearms resulting in gun violence, do not negate that 80+ million people own 300+ million of them.

The .1 percent of people who are the misusers are responsible for the gun violence they engage in.

The other 99.9 percent are not simply going to disappear because you ignore that they exist.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
9. The same HAS been said...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:03 PM
Nov 2015
...but the same could be said about Muslims and terrorists.


The same HAS been said, right here on DU. The logic is conveniently overlooked when referring to gun owners.
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
14. I guess I struck a nerve...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:46 PM
Nov 2015

I guess I struck a nerve, with at least one of the folks who tend to overlook the logic being referred to.



If you don't like it pointed out, then don't do it.


Not that I expected any less from someone who calls other DUers "Glib sociopathic gunthusiasts".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=159415

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
24. Do you feel the gun owners listed above have proven they are irresponsible
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 07:09 PM
Nov 2015

and their right to own a gun should be taken away?

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
25. Yes, though I haven't read the details of each, so I reserve the right to make an exception.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 07:13 PM
Nov 2015

Do you feel the 99.9 percent, those who haven't proven they are irresponsible, should have their right to own a gun taken away?

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
26. No on your question. I think we're on the same page here. Now all we need to do
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 07:19 PM
Nov 2015

is get legislation passed to get guns out of the hands of irresponsible gun owners!

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
27. Education would go a long ways in preventing alot of what the OP has listed.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 07:26 PM
Nov 2015

As it does with every other thing.

Unfortunately, many resist the idea.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
29. Certainly it should be taught to every individual at some point.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 07:29 PM
Nov 2015

It being 'gun safety education'.

But many many people are against the idea.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
30. Indeed, you irritate my sensibilities, because you so clearly fit the profile but just don't care
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:47 AM
Nov 2015
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
33. Well!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:10 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Mon Nov 16, 2015, 04:43 PM - Edit history (3)

you irritate my sensibilities


Well! Whos the delicate flower now, eh?

On edit: Anything remotely pro-gun 'irritates your sensibilities', and as proof, I submit you blocking me from GCRA for a genuinely misplaced, deleted post which you never even read, and then sending me a nasty PM:


You were blocked for being a gun nut who posted in GCRA. It doesn't matter what you posted in GCRA.


Like I said, anything remotely pro-gun irritates your delicate sensibilities.



(note to potential jurors: The term 'delicate flower' has been hurled at pro-gun folks ad nauseum, keep this in mind if/when placing your vote)

Initech

(100,105 posts)
4. I like the guy who shoots himself in the head and his first thought is neosporin.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:42 PM
Nov 2015

"It's just a flesh wound!!!"

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
23. Yes. He was described as negligently handling his gun -
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 07:02 PM
Nov 2015

hell, he also negligently mishandled HIS HEAD!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. Guns and Stupid belong together. Which would be fine if the combination was not terrorizing
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:54 PM
Nov 2015

the country like ISIS can only dream of.

My favorite is the example of Guns, Stupid, and Racist:

Man accidentally shoots himself at Oklahoma ‘Muslim-free’ gun store
An Oklahoma man accidentally shot himself Tuesday after dropping his firearm in the same gun shop being guarded by armed citizens after it received threats for declaring itself a Muslim-free business.

The unidentified man was inside the Save Yourself Survival and Tactical Gear store in Oktaha when he dropped his .45 Colt revolver, which discharged and shot him in the right arm, according to multiple reports.
http://www.guns.com/2015/08/19/man-accidentally-shoots-himself-at-oklahoma-muslim-free-gun-store/


P.S. "Being guarded because of threats to the gun shop" is another example of the overwhelming paranoia common to so many gun-lovers, as well.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
20. WOW! It's GUNZ DISCUSSION again. Wait. When did it end?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 06:57 PM
Nov 2015



I KNEW the culture warriors would link the NRA to the Paris tragedy. Took 'em a little while, but more (ahem) "creativity" has to be used to outdue the infamous NRA-Boston Bombing link.

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