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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:30 PM Nov 2015

USA 1938: "Keep Out" = Should the US government permit 10,000 mostly Jewish refugee children?

What Americans thought of Jewish refugees on the eve of World War II

The results of the poll ... by the useful Twitter account @HistOpinion were published in the pages of Fortune magazine in July 1938. Fewer than 5 percent of Americans surveyed at the time believed that the United States should raise its immigration quotas or encourage political refugees fleeing the fascist states in Europe — the vast majority of whom were Jewish — to voyage across the Atlantic. Two-thirds of the respondents, meanwhile, agreed with the proposition that "we should try to keep them out."

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US Jan 20 ’39: Should the US government permit 10,000 mostly Jewish refugee children to come in from Germany?


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malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
1. It's the eternal paradox, that a nation of immigrants...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:49 PM
Nov 2015

... should so hate immigrants. But it has long been a part of our national fibre. John D. MacDonald noted this in relation to Florida, when it was suffering its influx of immigrants: all the new arrivals wanted to keep the "pure, unspoiled" Florida of their first residence, which was thought of rather sardonically by older cadres of residents who had seen that "unspoiled" state destroyed. And that's even before we spice the question with racial and religious hatred.

-- Mal

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
3. Notice the rephrasing of the question.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:01 PM
Nov 2015

In order to maximize the "Americans are heartless" meme.

The actual question was:

"What’s your attitude towards allowing German, Austrian & other political refugees to come into the US?"

No mention of Jews or children in the question. That's not to say the respondents didn't know that, just that I noticed it was rephrased for maximum effect..


DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
7. The post is slightly confusing, but the quoted article reports on two different opinion polls...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:00 PM
Nov 2015


... and I don't think the poster was trying to "maximize the "Americans are heartless" meme".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/17/what-americans-thought-of-jewish-refugees-on-the-eve-of-world-war-ii

Here's a link to the chart from July 1938 with the question you mention (I can't seem to get the image embedded):

http://twitter.com/HistOpinion/status/666390749882277889/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

As the article reports, that poll was done before Kristallnacht (Nov 9 and 10 1938). The "keep German, Austrian & other political refugees out" percentage reported is 67.4%

The question about allowing Jewish children and the chart in the post were from January 20, 1939. The "keeed p refugee children from Germany out" percentage reported drops to 61%. A few hearts were softened.






jwirr

(39,215 posts)
8. Everyone knew. At that time we knew what was going on in
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:15 PM
Nov 2015

those areas of the world and we also knew that other countries (UK and Canada) were not accepting Jewish refugees.

Many were force to go back to Europe and died in the concentration camps.

erronis

(15,324 posts)
12. I believe there were quite a few Jewish families who were able to relocate
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:15 PM
Nov 2015

Perhaps the receiving countries were more accepting if the refugees had some useful assets.

I have read of several families that sent their children to English schools - the parents didn't always make it out.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
13. I suspect that those who had relatives in other countries did
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:23 PM
Nov 2015

do that or used whatever method they could to get their children to safety.

I think the issue today is more because of the fear and hatred that we have been taught by both religion and media for the last 40 years. And that is pretty much what happened back then also.

Plus I think as soon as we start calling any group "refugee" they are in trouble. Although in our country of immigrants the word immigrant is not doing so well either.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
4. As long as humans believe that imaginary faith-based red and blue lines found only on maps
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:08 PM
Nov 2015

As long as humans believe that imaginary, faith-based red and blue lines found only on maps are more important than the non-fictional suffering, hunger and sickness of others, I see few chances of minimizing the importance of those lines as it applies to our everyday lives.

Most unfortunate that we've civilized our excuses for flinging poo at each other while perched in trees-- as our excuses are much more palatable to the incurious mind.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. That is the way we are going to have to start thinking if we
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:20 PM
Nov 2015

are going to deal with climate change in any significant way. I am specifically thinking of the areas of the world that are already not able to support their own population due to drought and flooding.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. And then just take some time to think about what you just
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:18 PM
Nov 2015

said means in the era of climate change. What are we going to do when migration becomes an even bigger problem if we cannot handle it now at the beginning?

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
14. we accept refugees from Russia and we accepted tens of thousands from USSR/Warsaw Pact
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:33 PM
Nov 2015

and we have refugees from many other places in the world, so these should be no different

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
17. AmeriKKKa! ah jeez...
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:31 PM
Nov 2015

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the US has been taking nonwhite refugees and immigrants for years and years.
why don't you knock it off

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