Liberal talkers are banned?

If Rush had never been born I don't think these numbers would be any different. Many service members are right of center. Also, many older folks are veterans and they tend to lean conservative as well.

Maybe two, though it's been a couple years since I've heard it. Definitely once a week though.

It's a lot less than Rush, but your statement was still technically incorrect. I don't think it matters anyway. I don't think these numbers have anything to do with the radio. I'll bet most veterans have never heard one minute of Rush on Armed Forces Radio. Many served before he was even on.

I served from '05-'08 but never once listened to a minute of Rush. There was Armed Force Radio playing but it was just music. Generally from my experience, young people find talk radio boring.

There's no stations in the U.S. If they listen (and I'm sure they do) it's by tunning the poisonus AM dial like the rest of us...

and can develop outlook and habits.

Many veterans fall in rushbo's "target" audience...white males over 50...many who were conservative long before Rushbo found a microphone. Many had their view formed in the Vietnam era that looked at the Democrats at the ones who "sold out the military" and continue to drink the right wing kool-aid no matter how many Al Queda leaders President Obama kills.

The irony...as always...is the chickenhawks on hate radio and teevee never served a day but glammed onto this hate for their own political and personal gain.

Cheers...

He has that damned stuff on all the time.

I was Overseas ... unless you speak the local
language .. AFRN is the only thing to listen to ....

traded cassette tapes onboard the ship.

It was fun sneaking flight helmets and going up to the flight deck late at night and listening to the BBC. Good times.

Screw Romney and the horse he rode in on.

I guess explaining why I'm not surprised would be negatively stereotyping veterans


unlike the way those poll results do, of course.

who never voted for Obama to begin with.

Buncha bullshit, folks.

Given what he's done to get them home from Afghanistan and Iraq and decimating the al Qaeda gang, Obama is probably a lot more popular with younger veterans and military than is given credit for.

So it's odd they can support Mittens who was not one of them when he could have been.

I once told my moron brothers they were brainwashed.

What they don't seem to understand is, it's the contractors the republicans take care of. It's certainly not our soldiers and veterans.

PS: I take Gallup polls with a grain of salt.

Fewer future repub voters....

More Gallup right wing lies. You can see from the photos when he visits the troops that they love him.

this is accurate. we know that it's accurate. denial is stupid.

those are active troops. let me give you some basic (very basic) info: The majority of veterans are older white males. Older white males are the LEAST likely to support the President.

Critical thinking. Always a good thing to engage in.

Condescend much.

So according to you the majority of veterans are racist.

and I didn't say that the majority of vets are racists. I said the majority of vets are older white males and older white males are the demographic least likely to support the president. Draw your own conclusions.

uggh

Since interjections always elevate the discussion.

Trust me, the older vets that live in this area are white, extremely conservative, narrow-minded, and live in gated communities to keep the people of other colors away from them. They are the worst neighbors you could have. And those are the SAME demographic that Gallup used in the last election, showing that Bush was preferred. I'm not impressed with the poll at all.

I don't think it really means much. They could be happy just to meet a President whether it's Obama or Bush in the photos.

Or some where they look bored.

They may like being in the pic with a POTUS but they just don't seem so excited about HIM being there, more just being wherever they are.

The last one:

That one girl is sticking her head in there to get in the photo. they don't seem to be engaged with Dubya at all.

Why would they, as vets, want to elect somebody who wanted to prolong our wars over somebody who is trying to end them?

This poll is hogwash. I don't buy it. Polls can be manipulated. I think vets are much smarter than we realize.

I've got some similar ones from when Bush visited Ft. Benning.

They were just as "smiley" and just as excited.

PS. Bush did have hands like a girl. To be fair though he probably soaked em in anti-bacterial spray or something.

I'd suggest you try it sometime.

and, dearie, I spend so much time here fighting right wing memes- such as in the thread about instituting intelligence tests for voting, that I find your doggie doo doo insinuation as lame as it is mindless. trust you to post such garbage.

I know my own brother who was in the Army is a right winger.

Veterans are likely to be older and white, and they support Romney at about the same rate veterans do. It's just statistics. I'd imagine it's closer among active-duty or recently retired veterans, but I wouldn't know for sure.

And after the poll was completed, they asked if I could be put on a list for future polling. In other words, they do not call people randomly.

American Legion is the same way, a fucking blizzard of right wing talking points every time you walk in the door.

Some are pretty decent, some are loud mouths and some are pretty right wing blow hards. My husband is a vet and he's one of the youngest ones there....he's a Vietnam era veteran. All Legions are a clamoring for new folks. We go once in a great while.......don't really care for the place.

Bullfuckingshit is all I got to say.

white males.

Just about ever 70-90 year old I know served in the military in some capacity. Mostly in the Korean war or after it. My guess is because of the draft back then a vastly larger percentage of males spent some time in the active service and then of course back them many of them got degrees through the GI Bill. While we've been at war for nearly the entire century so far, I seems like because there is no draft, vastly thinner selection of the country is serving or and over again in the military. I have to admit after 10+ years of war I'm surprised the veteran population is still so old and so mono-racial in make up.

Do veterans realize Romney's a draft dodger....who avoided the Vietnam war by obtaining an 18 month deferment to serve in France? If the Gallup is right, vets are largely ignorant or don't like a black commander in chief. Come on! Do vets prefer a chickenhawk!!??!!

Or that is the way they tell it.

Go to another country to convert people to your religion, no problem.

Daddy get's you in a National Guard unit which will never see war, no problem.

Those the only choices?

Condescending much?

My educated guess is you are a big Romney fan.

I'm betting there are more Vietnam Vets around than Iraq, or Iran vets... simply the numbers of soldiers deployed...plus many of them I'm sure haven't woke up to the fact that the GOP is no longer the "security party"..

Most veterans are currently older white males and older white males are overwhelmingly Republican.

to 1948) to spin Repig.

I find it hard to believe that Vietnam-era vets support that fucking draft dodging hypocritical piece of shit. Same goes for WWII and Korean War-era vets. But I suppose stranger things have happened.

Romney announces idea to privatize veterans health care:

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/romney-spit-balls-his-way-to-privatizing-veterans-benefits.php

edit to fix link

Not at all. I don't trust Gallup much, anyway, but I'm an "older white male vet" who thinks Romney is a piece of shit that contributed to the financial mess we're trying to scratch our way out of.

Not a chance.

and cuts veteran's benefits he will find a way to blame it on Obama, and the fools will believe him.

I'm beginning to think that the people of the United States get exactly the government they deserve.

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I know, right? How likely is that.

The responses here calling bullshit on a result that is exactly what any informed person would have predicted are kind of light on reality.

Veterans skew old and male. As expected. And Obama does poorly among men in general and older men in particular.

But to say that veterans are a "white" cohort is seriously dumb. Every American demographic cohort that doesn't specify race is going to be predominantly white. You can't very well dismiss an American political poll for including white people.

There aware 21.8 million military veterans in the United States in 2010. Of those, 2.4 million were black.

That's 11%. The black general population is 12.6%. Take this poll sample and arbitrarily increase the black veteran rate to 12.6% and the basic result will be the same.

Veterans are, as a group, just more right wing than the general population.

And everybody knows that. Sheesh.

I'm forever gobsmacked by the mentality that denies reality.

A critical reader would look at the Reuters poll and say, "Since this result is counter to every bit of demographic and political information have about the United States, including the most recent election, I should not uncritically accept this headline without seeing whether there is an explanation for a jarringly out-lying result."

It is not a poll of veterans. It is veterans and their families.

Also, it is not a usual presidential preference poll. It has 23% undecided/don't know enough, which means the people polled are not pushed to chose, as most presidential polls do.

When you do not encourage respondents to chose it favors the incumbent because people tend to know less about the challenger.

It's an odd poll, but that's fine. There is room in the world for all sorts of polls. But the article desribing the poll is just bogus. It mis-states the results of the poll itself, comparing veterans with veterans&families as apples to apples.

And this is the problem. People uncritically accepting a weird and surprising poll simply because they would prefer the result and dismissing a more methodologically conventional poll with very normal results in line with everything we know about past elections, including how veterans voted in 2008 because they do not like the result.

And there it is...

the amount denial over a demographic that skews heavily with older, white men having a strong preferene for Romney isn't that shocking.

(To coin a phrase...)

Are you asserting that veterans don't vote Republican by a margin of 20% or more in election after election?

besides propaganda.

Plus I'm saying 2) before you accept this kind of statement, you have a long list of questions to ask about the result. I remember that Bush couldn't claim the military vote if you don't.

And I'm saying 3) The Viet Nam war ended as much because of revolt in the ranks as anything else. Now Gallup is telling me those same guys who stood down in that clusterfuck and who are now watching their kids and grandkids in yet another, similar clusterfuck, are favoring fucking Romney?

You don't have enough information to slur me with denial OR to accept what this article says.

Have a nice day.

2) Yes, accusing someone of denial is a slur, not an argument.

3) No, not having enough information is not having enough information. Maybe being uninformed is the same as disagreement in your mind but they are two different things.

4) Don't include me in any canned observations of this day that uses the dead as a justification for bad policy that feeds the lives of many young people into a grinder for the material benefit of the few. Thanks.

and military absentee ballots are not counted in the NEP. Plus, the 2004 NEP had problems as I said in my other post to SpartanDem.

I tried to save you the effort. The Bush Campaign never claimed the military vote in 2004 because they had no basis to do so. Since then, right leaning outlets have used Mitofsky's NEP numbers to claim it for Bush but they never cite the source because then they would have to acknowledge you can't "exit poll" deployed military and that the NEP that year was so screwed up they don't do them any more.

The veteran vote is much more significant than the active duty vote, being considerably larger.

1) There was no reason not to, a poll on what veterans think about the presidential race seems like a relevant story for today.

2 Your memory is wrong. Bush in 2004 got 57% of the veteran vote, McCain took 54% so this poll's numbers are consistant with past elections.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/12/the-veteran-vot/

3) In other words, you don't like the results. There were certainly a lot of Vietnam soldiers who were very active in opposing the war, but that isn't a scientific survey that tells you about the majority of veterans political views then or now. The polls show pretty consistently 1/3 of them identify as Republican.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118684/Military-Veterans-Ages-Tend-Republican.aspx

who earned three purple hearts in Vietnam and who killed almost as many Vietcong as the Chimp.

Well, you're wrong. It has been shown time and again that veterans are overwhelmingly conservative. Yes, there are liberal vets, and liberal veterans groups, but overall, the population of veterans is, and has consistently been conservative.

That's reality, and every Democratic presidential candidate in post WWII America has had to deal with it.

Vets aren't overwhelmingly conservative, they are overwhelmingly Republican..

Republicans aren't remotely conservative any more and haven't been for at least thirty years.

on the back window of my car. It's a bit tattered, and I'm going to replace it with another one. It has generated several discussions in parking lots. Some agree with the sticker. Others do not. I welcome either discussion. I will tell the person why I support Obama as a veteran. Gladly.

if you know anything about the demographics of this group it's not all that shocking. Calling the poll a lie simply because you don't like the result is something I'd expect from Freepers. Funny, how recent polls from Gallup showing Obama with a lead Romney or supporting his decision to come out in favor of gay marriage no one took issue with those results. But this one is lies and propaganda, I could on how immature, etc this is, but I digress.

What I really wanted to talk about is their breakdown on the data. First, thing to note is veteran women actually prefer Obama. Second thing is Gallup points out some trends that could positively effect Democrats

at face value is what I would expect from Freepers -- it must be true, an authority said so.

Go figure.

. . . you know, as long as HE wasn't the one doin' the fightin' and dyin'.

Hope that hatred and bitterness is worth the stupidity.

I try to correct him, but he doesn't want to listen. He was a fanatical Obama supporter in 2008, I don't know what happened to him. I wonder if he was brainwashed by RW nuts while in Iraq.

I cannot understand it, other than being around the RW nuts in Iraq. Unlike Bush that abused the National Guard by sending them on endless deployments to hide the fact that he would have to have a draft, or actually pay better benefits if he sent more of our regular troops, President Obama has increased Vet services and assistance to their families, in a way that Bush couldn't. I've seen my very liberal son-in-law who is now in the Navy, turning into a bit of a jerk, around guys from Red States, without much education.

The fact is fewer in our society have served in the military.

Not saying that's a good thing but that's the way it is.

I dont' know how they plan to reconcile voting for Romeny but homing for more assistance?

I can only imagine that it's the older retirment aged vets that are scewing the direction of the entier Vet voting base.

At least once a month, I give some ignorant college student a lesson in the difference between a poll and propaganda (or push polls). They call me up, learning to do push polls in some marketing class, I always say yes, I always insist on answering questions honestly - ESPECIALLY the ones that the poll doesn't give me a legitimate answer for.

since Michelle does so much for the military families and gets nothing for it...

Is all I read from this.