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DUers who are worried about accepting Refugees! This will comfort you! (Original Post) Logical Nov 2015 OP
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #1
I don't mind allowing refugees in bigwillq Nov 2015 #2
And the terrorists love your thinking. The GOP does also. Wow, you scare me more than any terrorist. Logical Nov 2015 #3
You are obviously scared of reason Joe Turner Nov 2015 #5
LOL, "massive waves", that explains you. nt Logical Nov 2015 #6
I knew you had no argument Joe Turner Nov 2015 #7
You realize there is no proof any refugee did these terror acts? Also, fucking France is still.... Logical Nov 2015 #8
Most western nations have allowed high levels of Middle East Immigration Joe Turner Nov 2015 #9
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #34
First of all, most countries have not allowed much 'Middle East' immigration LeftishBrit Nov 2015 #35
10,000 in a country of LiberalElite Nov 2015 #11
Agreed Dem2 Nov 2015 #12
So where does it end? Joe Turner Nov 2015 #13
Donald is that you? Jesus! nt Logical Nov 2015 #14
No just a free thinking independent that looks at the facts Joe Turner Nov 2015 #16
LOL, sure you are. nt Logical Nov 2015 #19
This is right wing b.s. eom LiberalElite Nov 2015 #15
Nope, pure independent views that most Americans have Joe Turner Nov 2015 #17
"independent" that they got from where? eom LiberalElite Nov 2015 #18
From maybe something you don't have Joe Turner Nov 2015 #20
Where, exactly are you getting your information from? herding cats Nov 2015 #21
Visit Dearborn Mi sometime Joe Turner Nov 2015 #22
That doesn't tell me anyting. herding cats Nov 2015 #23
I draw my opinions from real life observations, friends, news Joe Turner Nov 2015 #24
According to you, you're basing your information on a fake report from a satire site. herding cats Nov 2015 #26
Satire isn't meant to be taken literally. herding cats Nov 2015 #29
You need something other than Straw Man arguments. Joe Turner Nov 2015 #25
Haha! herding cats Nov 2015 #27
You did use Dearborn MI to make your point to me. herding cats Nov 2015 #31
Do you really believe there are millions of Syrian refugees in the US already? uppityperson Nov 2015 #36
"massive waves"...? Bigmack Nov 2015 #30
Wow! There are DUers who want to keep refugees out? HuckleB Nov 2015 #4
word. unreal. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2015 #10
It isn't the refugees that frighten people here so much EL34x4 Nov 2015 #37
Perhaps they can wrap themselves around this... Historic NY Nov 2015 #28
Love that!!! nt Logical Nov 2015 #32
Dumbest fucking chart ever. Rex Nov 2015 #33
I agree! nt Logical Nov 2015 #38

Response to Logical (Original post)

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
2. I don't mind allowing refugees in
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:06 PM
Nov 2015

I think very few are a threat. I just think we should provide for folks already living here before we provide housing and such to folks from other countries.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
3. And the terrorists love your thinking. The GOP does also. Wow, you scare me more than any terrorist.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:23 PM
Nov 2015
 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
5. You are obviously scared of reason
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:39 PM
Nov 2015

Your response is frankly bizarre. You need to explain how letting in massive waves of Syrians that have no cultural connection to Western society, have no useful skills to contribute and belong to a religion that is at war with the modern world is a good thing for this country. Actually, it's folks like you that scare anyone who looks at this world objectively.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
8. You realize there is no proof any refugee did these terror acts? Also, fucking France is still....
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:51 PM
Nov 2015

letting them in. Keep being scared and trying to explain it away. But I get you.

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
9. Most western nations have allowed high levels of Middle East Immigration
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:02 PM
Nov 2015

for decades now. It makes little difference if the immigration is by refugee acts or regular immigration as the results are the same. Within areas of high Muslim populations in virtually every country there is social conflict and networks of terrorists. And if France chooses to continue their self-inflicted wounds it is their problem. Maybe they need to change out their politicians.

LeftishBrit

(41,212 posts)
35. First of all, most countries have not allowed much 'Middle East' immigration
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:55 AM
Nov 2015

Most Muslims in Europaean countries are of South Asian or Turkish origin. (France is somewhat exceptional due to the nature of its colonial history.)

Secondly, there is 'social conflict' everywhere (look at all the homicides in America); and for example most networks of terrorism in the UK over the years have stemmed from the Northern Ireland conflict - nothing to do with Islam.

Of course, ruthless terrorist-recruiters have recruited a small number of people among Europaean Muslims; but to ban Muslim refugees because of this would be like banning all white Protestants because of the Ku Klux Klan.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
11. 10,000 in a country of
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:13 PM
Nov 2015

+300,000,000 is hardly a "massive wave". What scares me is people who believe right-wing propaganda.

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
13. So where does it end?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:24 PM
Nov 2015

You think 10K? We have millions already here. We should be so lucky it was only 10K. It never ends. There are many areas in U.S. that have become Muslim enclaves that have asserted their mores and religious laws as they see fit. This is an anathema to the very foundation of this country. Whether you are cool with that or not.

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
20. From maybe something you don't have
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:36 PM
Nov 2015

being productive citizens, working hard, raising families and having a real love of country.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
21. Where, exactly are you getting your information from?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:44 PM
Nov 2015

This specifically is what I'd like you to address:

There are many areas in U.S. that have become Muslim enclaves that have asserted their mores and religious laws as they see fit.


I'm not sure what this means exactly, but I'd like you to explain where you got you information and link to it, please.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
23. That doesn't tell me anyting.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:50 PM
Nov 2015

Please, explain your words. With verifiable links.

A quick google gives me this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/sharia.asp

"City in Michigan First to Fully Implement Sharia Law" — Is there any validity to this story?


Origins: On 28 October 2013, the National Report published an article positing Dearborn, Michigan (a city with a historically large Muslim population), had become the first U.S. city to implement Sharia law:
In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into affect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene.

The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.
By the following day links and excerpts referencing this article were being circulated via social media, with many of those who encountered the item mistaking it for a genuine news article. However, the article was just a bit of satire from the National Report, a web site that publishes outrageous fictional stories such as "IRS Plans to Target Leprechauns Next," "Boy Scouts Announce Boobs Merit Badge," and "New CDC Study Indicates Pets of Gay Couples Worse at Sports, Better at Fashion Than Pets of Straight Couples."


Don't tell me you're basing your beliefs on a satire site?!

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
24. I draw my opinions from real life observations, friends, news
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:56 PM
Nov 2015

reading, travel. And I draw my conclusions from that mix of sources. How do you form your opinions? Regarding links: I don't link common knowledge or need to prove the hundreds of examples of Islamic terrorism not to mention 911 that have occurred in the last 50 years.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
29. Satire isn't meant to be taken literally.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:10 AM
Nov 2015
Satire:

noun
noun: satire

the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
synonyms: mockery, ridicule, derision, scorn, caricature; More
irony, sarcasm
"he has become the subject of satire"
a play, novel, film, or other work that uses satire.
plural noun: satires
"a stinging satire on American politics"
synonyms: parody, burlesque, caricature, lampoon, skit; More
informalspoof, takeoff, sendup
"a satire on Canadian politics"
a genre of literature characterized by the use of satire.


herding cats

(19,568 posts)
31. You did use Dearborn MI to make your point to me.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:49 AM
Nov 2015

I mean, if you're not making a joke here, then explain your reasoning, and now your claim about me making a straw man argument against you for pointing to the only evidence of any kind of incident in Dearborn MI was based on a report from a satire site.

If you're not trying in some strange way to be funny, then I'm leaning toward being insulted here.

You did bring it up Dearborn MI first here, so we both know your latter claim doesn't apply, right?

Please, come back and defend your stance so I can perhaps possibly understand how a report from a satire site lead you to to your words here, or know that you're just joshing with all of us over this.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
30. "massive waves"...?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:15 AM
Nov 2015

10,000 this year? WTF?

Over 500,000 Vietnamese and mountain tribes people came here after the war. Many were culturally connected to the West... many were not. Certainly not the Hmong and other mountain tribes folks.

(Positive Racism alert!) Those Hmong had NO connection to Western culture - well, maybe the CIA, if that's Western culture - and they did extremely well. Our little town got an entire extended family...60 or so people... from granny to babies. In a few years, the honor roll at the local High School was filled with Hmong names, and everybody had cars, houses, jobs, and kids. Here's the racism.... I think their culture of hard work and prizing education made them better Americans than some of the slobs in the community. I would gladly trade a dozen of our Murikans for one of them.
Same general story with the Vietnamese.

And these Syrians tend to be a cut above your usual refugees, too.
http://www.ibtimes.com/europe-refugee-crisis-facts-wealthy-educated-syrians-risking-lives-leave-war-2089018

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
37. It isn't the refugees that frighten people here so much
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:34 AM
Nov 2015

It's the political price that Democrats may have to pay for them next November.

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