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bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I think very few are a threat. I just think we should provide for folks already living here before we provide housing and such to folks from other countries.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Joe Turner
(930 posts)Your response is frankly bizarre. You need to explain how letting in massive waves of Syrians that have no cultural connection to Western society, have no useful skills to contribute and belong to a religion that is at war with the modern world is a good thing for this country. Actually, it's folks like you that scare anyone who looks at this world objectively.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Joe Turner
(930 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)letting them in. Keep being scared and trying to explain it away. But I get you.
Joe Turner
(930 posts)for decades now. It makes little difference if the immigration is by refugee acts or regular immigration as the results are the same. Within areas of high Muslim populations in virtually every country there is social conflict and networks of terrorists. And if France chooses to continue their self-inflicted wounds it is their problem. Maybe they need to change out their politicians.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,212 posts)Most Muslims in Europaean countries are of South Asian or Turkish origin. (France is somewhat exceptional due to the nature of its colonial history.)
Secondly, there is 'social conflict' everywhere (look at all the homicides in America); and for example most networks of terrorism in the UK over the years have stemmed from the Northern Ireland conflict - nothing to do with Islam.
Of course, ruthless terrorist-recruiters have recruited a small number of people among Europaean Muslims; but to ban Muslim refugees because of this would be like banning all white Protestants because of the Ku Klux Klan.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)+300,000,000 is hardly a "massive wave". What scares me is people who believe right-wing propaganda.
Propaganda indeed.
Joe Turner
(930 posts)You think 10K? We have millions already here. We should be so lucky it was only 10K. It never ends. There are many areas in U.S. that have become Muslim enclaves that have asserted their mores and religious laws as they see fit. This is an anathema to the very foundation of this country. Whether you are cool with that or not.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Joe Turner
(930 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Joe Turner
(930 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Joe Turner
(930 posts)being productive citizens, working hard, raising families and having a real love of country.
herding cats
(19,568 posts)This specifically is what I'd like you to address:
I'm not sure what this means exactly, but I'd like you to explain where you got you information and link to it, please.
Joe Turner
(930 posts)perhaps you will get a feel for it.
herding cats
(19,568 posts)Please, explain your words. With verifiable links.
A quick google gives me this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/sharia.asp
Origins: On 28 October 2013, the National Report published an article positing Dearborn, Michigan (a city with a historically large Muslim population), had become the first U.S. city to implement Sharia law:
In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into affect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene.
The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.
By the following day links and excerpts referencing this article were being circulated via social media, with many of those who encountered the item mistaking it for a genuine news article. However, the article was just a bit of satire from the National Report, a web site that publishes outrageous fictional stories such as "IRS Plans to Target Leprechauns Next," "Boy Scouts Announce Boobs Merit Badge," and "New CDC Study Indicates Pets of Gay Couples Worse at Sports, Better at Fashion Than Pets of Straight Couples."
Don't tell me you're basing your beliefs on a satire site?!
Joe Turner
(930 posts)reading, travel. And I draw my conclusions from that mix of sources. How do you form your opinions? Regarding links: I don't link common knowledge or need to prove the hundreds of examples of Islamic terrorism not to mention 911 that have occurred in the last 50 years.
herding cats
(19,568 posts)Seriously?
herding cats
(19,568 posts)noun
noun: satire
the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
synonyms: mockery, ridicule, derision, scorn, caricature; More
irony, sarcasm
"he has become the subject of satire"
a play, novel, film, or other work that uses satire.
plural noun: satires
"a stinging satire on American politics"
synonyms: parody, burlesque, caricature, lampoon, skit; More
informalspoof, takeoff, sendup
"a satire on Canadian politics"
a genre of literature characterized by the use of satire.
Joe Turner
(930 posts)herding cats
(19,568 posts)I mean, you're kidding here, right?
herding cats
(19,568 posts)I mean, if you're not making a joke here, then explain your reasoning, and now your claim about me making a straw man argument against you for pointing to the only evidence of any kind of incident in Dearborn MI was based on a report from a satire site.
If you're not trying in some strange way to be funny, then I'm leaning toward being insulted here.
You did bring it up Dearborn MI first here, so we both know your latter claim doesn't apply, right?
Please, come back and defend your stance so I can perhaps possibly understand how a report from a satire site lead you to to your words here, or know that you're just joshing with all of us over this.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Bigmack
(8,020 posts)10,000 this year? WTF?
Over 500,000 Vietnamese and mountain tribes people came here after the war. Many were culturally connected to the West... many were not. Certainly not the Hmong and other mountain tribes folks.
(Positive Racism alert!) Those Hmong had NO connection to Western culture - well, maybe the CIA, if that's Western culture - and they did extremely well. Our little town got an entire extended family...60 or so people... from granny to babies. In a few years, the honor roll at the local High School was filled with Hmong names, and everybody had cars, houses, jobs, and kids. Here's the racism.... I think their culture of hard work and prizing education made them better Americans than some of the slobs in the community. I would gladly trade a dozen of our Murikans for one of them.
Same general story with the Vietnamese.
And these Syrians tend to be a cut above your usual refugees, too.
http://www.ibtimes.com/europe-refugee-crisis-facts-wealthy-educated-syrians-risking-lives-leave-war-2089018
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)It's the political price that Democrats may have to pay for them next November.