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tecelote

(5,122 posts)
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:41 AM Nov 2015

Why Poor Areas Vote For Politicians Who Want To Slash The Safety Net

Who turned my blue state red?

It is one of the central political puzzles of our time: Parts of the country that depend on the safety-net programs supported by Democrats are increasingly voting for Republicans who favor shredding that net.

In his successful bid for the Senate in 2010, the libertarian Rand Paul railed against “intergenerational welfare” and said that “the culture of dependency on government destroys people’s spirits,” yet racked up winning margins in eastern Kentucky, a former Democratic stronghold that is heavily dependent on public benefits. Last year, Paul R. LePage, the fiercely anti-welfare Republican governor of Maine, was re-elected despite a highly erratic first term — with strong support in struggling towns where many rely on public assistance. And earlier this month, Kentucky elected as governor a conservative Republican who had vowed to largely undo the Medicaid expansion that had given the state the country’s largest decrease in the uninsured under Obamacare, with roughly one in 10 residents gaining coverage.

It’s enough to give Democrats the willies as they contemplate a map where the red keeps seeping outward, confining them to ever narrower redoubts of blue. The temptation for coastal liberals is to shake their heads over those godforsaken white-working-class provincials who are voting against their own interests.

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Why Poor Areas Vote For Politicians Who Want To Slash The Safety Net (Original Post) tecelote Nov 2015 OP
I live in an area where there's low pay and good jobs are scarce...... dmosh42 Nov 2015 #1
+1 Especially your last sentence. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #2
I agree with both views. tecelote Nov 2015 #3
I think your last sentence is very true. IMO this stems from religion wherein they RKP5637 Nov 2015 #8
Another thing that's really ironic is that many of the 'old timers', remember the Depression days... dmosh42 Nov 2015 #12
One of the most amazing things I've seen over the decades is the development of brainwashed RKP5637 Nov 2015 #13
They've been brainwashed in church. ladyVet Nov 2015 #21
Perhaps the worry that THEY (Blacks, Hispanics, etc.) do not 'take advantage' of the system that pampango Nov 2015 #4
Yes. Fear of THEM. tecelote Nov 2015 #5
True. Let us hope that THEY will treat US better than too many of US have treated THEM. pampango Nov 2015 #6
Yes. And, I suspect so. tecelote Nov 2015 #9
Fear and hate are strong motivating factors for voters Democat Nov 2015 #7
So true. As Democrats and liberals it is difficult sometimes to decide when to play fear/hate game pampango Nov 2015 #10
For this simple reason - HughBeaumont Nov 2015 #11
the dependency and intergenerational stuff is all BS treestar Nov 2015 #14
I think many people see their own bad circumstances as being bad luck. alphafemale Nov 2015 #15
Good response. YoungDemCA Nov 2015 #17
The Dems need to tie public assistance with education and volunteering Yavin4 Nov 2015 #16
"God, Guns, and Guts," coined by an evil genius Republican, I presume. WinkyDink Nov 2015 #18
I think these parts of the article are important to keep in mind YoungDemCA Nov 2015 #19
A lot of tribalism. moondust Nov 2015 #20
What's wrong with Maine is Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2015 #22
LBJ had this figured out 50 years ago hifiguy Nov 2015 #23
Excellent quote! Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2015 #24

dmosh42

(2,217 posts)
1. I live in an area where there's low pay and good jobs are scarce......
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:00 AM
Nov 2015

and like your post, I often wondered why they are so Republican. In my ten years since I moved here(NC), I think it has much to do with the churches which teach plenty of that old time hate about races, outsiders, unions, etc. Then the population doesn't have a high regard for education or anything different that might help advance their situation. Some people I know who work at the local hospital even rant against Obamacare with a complete lack of understanding how it might work, especially for the lowest levels of poverty. Sometimes I just think the people themselves have a low sense of their worth in this world.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
3. I agree with both views.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:14 AM
Nov 2015

The downtrodden need to vote. And, as you said so well. "...people themselves have a low sense of their worth in this world."

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
8. I think your last sentence is very true. IMO this stems from religion wherein they
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:54 AM
Nov 2015

are told they are sinners, basically told they are the scum of the earth and need to repent. So much of religion is utterly hateful and depressing, and it locks them into their situation IMO. Many are brainwashed from birth. They are bred to have a low sense of worth IMO in this world. It's horrible.

dmosh42

(2,217 posts)
12. Another thing that's really ironic is that many of the 'old timers', remember the Depression days...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:51 AM
Nov 2015

and still vote Democratic as they remember FDR put a lot of effort into starting gov't programs for jobs in TN and NC. The now generation rebel against gov't like it's socialistic and it never happened here. I have to say I'm originally from the north and of low income Irish background, but I knew many of the Irish immigrants always knew which politicians were on their side and voted heavily in Dem majorities. Many of them didn't have much education, but they knew the Repubs weren't doing anything to help them. Many of these people in my area seem to have blinders on and refuse to use their logic to figure things out.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
13. One of the most amazing things I've seen over the decades is the development of brainwashed
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:29 PM
Nov 2015

and uninformed information limited Americans who vote in their own worst interest and are proud of it for bizarre reasons. With all of the information available today, I am amazed at those clinging to their ignorance. When I was a kid, many knew and understood what was going on. Today, they are just fodder for politicians wanting to take away their rights and cast them into the ditch!

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
21. They've been brainwashed in church.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:57 PM
Nov 2015

Add to that the dropping quality of our educational system, and the preponderance of right-wing radio, and you've got a winning trifecta. At least for the liars and thieves who are robbing this country blind.

My Grandpa didn't even finish the second grade. He was a drunk, had a mean temper at times, but worked at a mill and supported his family. He was always talking to people to get them to vote, even offering to drive them to the polls. He loved FDR with a passion, and I think he would embrace Bernie Sanders with joy. He always said the Democrats are for the common man, while the Republicans were for the rich.

He didn't care one bit about church, though. Maybe that's what saved him.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
4. Perhaps the worry that THEY (Blacks, Hispanics, etc.) do not 'take advantage' of the system that
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:27 AM
Nov 2015

is screwing me. It is weird that you can be trained to hate THEM so much that you shoot yourself in the foot in order to disadvantage THEM.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
6. True. Let us hope that THEY will treat US better than too many of US have treated THEM.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:50 AM
Nov 2015

And with less fear and paranoia and more "we are all in this together".

pampango

(24,692 posts)
10. So true. As Democrats and liberals it is difficult sometimes to decide when to play fear/hate game
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:31 AM
Nov 2015

which the polls may dictate and when to take the 'higher' road which liberals usually want to take by nature. Perhaps the key is where a particular policy lies on our personal list of priorities. If we value it highly, we don't want our politicians playing 'politics' and pandering on it. If it is not so important to us, we don't mind if they do what the polls say is popular.

republicans seem to have no reservations about playing the fear and hate card on a regular basis. There seems to be no 'higher' road for them than getting elected which enables them to legislate for the 1%.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
11. For this simple reason -
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:42 AM
Nov 2015
It's far more important to these people that citizens they deem economically, culturally or socially inferior to them DON'T get what every other industrialized nation considers a human right than it is EVERY American citizen HAVING these rights.

Maine's governor doesn't seem to get that it's kind of difficult to better yourself when you have no economic means or opportunity to do so. Fast food and low paying service work isn't buying you a degree AND helping you survive, and all the "tough love" bloviating and draconian cuts aren't going to make it so. This isn't 1993 anymore.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
14. the dependency and intergenerational stuff is all BS
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:40 PM
Nov 2015

the stats show most people are on welfare temporarily and most of them are white.

Yet people will think as if there are people on welfare permanently vs. people never on welfare. Reagan really sold this BS, or, people WANT to believe it.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
15. I think many people see their own bad circumstances as being bad luck.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:43 PM
Nov 2015

Or the fault of a social program to a minority.

They see other poor people in their same circumstance as being lazy.

These beliefs and simmering distrusts are exploited and nurtured by the right wing along with the golden ring that they too will some day be rich and be able to reap all thesee benefits so long as you keep voting for the exploiters and playing the Lottery.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
16. The Dems need to tie public assistance with education and volunteering
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:14 PM
Nov 2015

Beyond giving someone benefits, tie it attending school, a job training program, or volunteering in the community. This would do two things: counters the political resentment towards giving people benefits and it gives people a better sense of worth.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
19. I think these parts of the article are important to keep in mind
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:59 PM
Nov 2015
But this reaction misses the complexity of the political dynamic that’s taken hold in these parts of the country. It misdiagnoses the Democratic Party’s growing conundrum with working-class white voters. And it also keeps us from fully grasping what’s going on in communities where conditions have deteriorated to the point where researchers have detected alarming trends in their mortality rates.

In eastern Kentucky and other former Democratic bastions that have swung Republican in the past several decades, the people who most rely on the safety-net programs secured by Democrats are, by and large, not voting against their own interests by electing Republicans. Rather, they are not voting, period. They have, as voting data, surveys and my own reporting suggest, become profoundly disconnected from the political process.

The people in these communities who are voting Republican in larger proportions are those who are a notch or two up the economic ladder — the sheriff’s deputy, the teacher, the highway worker, the motel clerk, the gas station owner and the coal miner. And their growing allegiance to the Republicans is, in part, a reaction against what they perceive, among those below them on the economic ladder, as a growing dependency on the safety net, the most visible manifestation of downward mobility in their declining towns.


snip:
That pattern is right in line with surveys, which show a decades-long decline in support for redistributive policies and an increase in conservatism in the electorate even as inequality worsens. There has been a particularly sharp drop in support for redistribution among older Americans, who perhaps see it as a threat to their own Social Security and Medicare. Meanwhile, researchers such as Kathryn Edin, of Johns Hopkins University, have pinpointed a tendency by Americans in the second lowest quintile of the income ladder — the working or lower-middle class — to dissociate themselves from those at the bottom, where many once resided. “There’s this virulent social distancing — suddenly, you’re a worker and anyone who is not a worker is a bad person,” said Edin. “They’re playing to the middle fifth and saying, ‘I’m not those people.’

Meanwhile, many people who in fact most use and need social benefits are simply not voting at all. Voter participation is low among the poorest Americans, and in many parts of the country that have moved red, the rates have fallen off the charts. West Virginia ranked 50th for turnout in 2012; also in the bottom 10 were other states that have shifted sharply red in recent years, including Kentucky, Arkansas and Tennessee.


Bolding mine.

A lot of working-class/lower-middle income people really resent the reality that people poorer than them receive disproportionately more (direct) government assistance than they do. They are especially angered when "irresponsible" people (single mothers with lots of kids, drug addicts/alcoholics, people who are persistently unemployed) continue to receive "handouts"; thus, they don't want to pay any of their income (taxes) to support "those people" (and yes, there's definitely a significant racial element to it).

I also think there's another aspect of this that doesn't get talked about much: How the tax code has become more regressive in recent decades - the same period where real wages have stagnated, inequality has grown, and social mobility for lower and middle-income Americans has rapidly declined. When working people are making less money overall and simultaneously shouldering more of the burden of funding the US government, anti-tax populism grows among the working class.

As our economy becomes more of a zero-sum game, as poverty increases and working and middle class Americans become more financially insecure, and as more good-paying working-class jobs are automated or off-shored, feelings of solidarity with their fellow working men and women (let alone the poorest Americans or "illegals&quot have rapidly declined (Notice how low the unionization rate is these days, particularly in the private sector?).

All of these factors together, along with social, religious, and racial conservatism, have conspired to make a significant segment of the American white working class very hostile to liberalism (which has actually changed a lot too since the days of the New Deal) in recent decades.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
20. A lot of tribalism.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:59 PM
Nov 2015

Identity politics based on race, religion, name origin (northern European), family tradition, etc.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
22. What's wrong with Maine is
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:39 PM
Nov 2015

that unfortunately some of those country bumpkins are straight up dumbasses. It doesn't doesn't take much to fool them. They see Lepage as one of them and they would be right. He is a dumbass.

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