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JEB

(4,748 posts)
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:37 PM Nov 2015

Hang Onto Your Wallets: Negative Interest, the War on Cash, and the $10 Trillion Bail-in

By Ellen Brown

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Hang-Onto-Your-Wallets-Ne-by-Ellen-Brown-Bail-in_Interest-rate-Manipulation_Public-Banking-151121-631.html

In uncertain times, "cash is king," but central bankers are systematically moving to eliminate that option. Is it really about stimulating the economy? Or is there some deeper, darker threat afoot?

Remember those old ads showing a senior couple lounging on a warm beach, captioned "Let your money work for you"? Or the scene in Mary Poppins where young Michael is being advised to put his tuppence in the bank, so that it can compound into "all manner of private enterprise," including "bonds, chattels, dividends, shares, shipyards, amalgamations . . . ."?

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Again, to the ordinary observer, this would seem to signal that negative interest rates won't work and the approach needs to be abandoned. But not to our undaunted central bankers, who have chosen instead to plug this hole in their leaky theory by moving to eliminate cash as an option. If your only choice is to keep your money in a digital account in a bank and spend it with a bank card or credit card or checks, negative interest can be imposed with impunity. This is already happening in Sweden, and other countries are close behind. As reported on Wolfstreet.com:

The War on Cash is advancing on all fronts. One region that has hogged the headlines with its war against physical currency is Scandinavia. Sweden became the first country to enlist its own citizens as largely willing guinea pigs in a dystopian economic experiment: negative interest rates in a cashless society. As Credit Suisse reports, no matter where you go or what you want to purchase, you will find a small ubiquitous sign saying "Vi hanterar ej kontanter" ("We don't accept cash&quot . . . .


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Much more in this thought provoking article.

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Hang Onto Your Wallets: Negative Interest, the War on Cash, and the $10 Trillion Bail-in (Original Post) JEB Nov 2015 OP
I never carry cash yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #1
I am 63 and buy and sell junk and antiques and art JEB Nov 2015 #2
Wow. Never would have thought that yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #3
Cash is the preferred means of transactions in my area. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2015 #5
you have hit on the most important point questionseverything Nov 2015 #11
Not only sees and controls, but can flip a switch and you have ZERO money. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2015 #15
2000 francs? France wouldn't let me withdraw ANY francs. mathematic Nov 2015 #17
I have to amend my comment with more up to date info: dixiegrrrrl Nov 2015 #20
That is because of your generous income, most americans that live paycheck to paycheck Rex Nov 2015 #4
I don't think it has anything to do with generous income. I don't see much difference between Waldorf Nov 2015 #6
Do you see a difference between 165k a year and 20k? Rex Nov 2015 #7
Of course they don't live the same lifestyle. Does that make the lower income person ineligble Waldorf Nov 2015 #9
No that makes them not have as much money in the bank to spend on whatever they desire. Rex Nov 2015 #16
I have no use for a debit card and have JEB Nov 2015 #18
I have a debit and credit card and never use them. Rex Nov 2015 #19
Yesterday I sold my unused and unneeded snow blower to a passerby magical thyme Nov 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #10
I almost never use a debit card anymore HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #8
I use mostly debit cards now Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #12
A couple of my favorite restaurants don't take cards. X_Digger Nov 2015 #13
Negative interest rates wouldn't be a box of chocolates for banks either. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #14
check this out dixiegrrrrl Nov 2015 #22
the real reason for it is Dodd-Frank and "bail-ins" and is why I hate Dodd-Frank magical thyme Nov 2015 #23
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. I never carry cash
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:45 PM
Nov 2015

I would imagine very few Americans carry cash anymore. It's a past custom and becoming more rare every year.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
2. I am 63 and buy and sell junk and antiques and art
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:00 PM
Nov 2015

and about half of my transactions, buying or selling are in cash. Real street level capitalism is done with cash.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. Wow. Never would have thought that
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:02 PM
Nov 2015

Of course I never do those activities so probably not aware of it.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
5. Cash is the preferred means of transactions in my area.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:13 PM
Nov 2015

Lots of income not being reported, taxes not being paid, and there is a small discount for using cash.
In fact, many small merchants around here will not take credit cards at all.

Which is why France, as an example, is forbidding cash transactions of certain sizes.
France has also banned bank withdrawals of more than 2,000 francs. They started limiting withdrawals at 10,000 francs, have lowered it every few months.

Once a society goes cashless, the Gov. sees and controls all transactions.
and money becomes worthless, essentially.
Tis a Fed bank dream.

questionseverything

(9,660 posts)
11. you have hit on the most important point
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:26 PM
Nov 2015

Once a society goes cashless, the Gov. sees and controls all transactions.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this


tracing every transaction was what the patriot act was all about

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
15. Not only sees and controls, but can flip a switch and you have ZERO money.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:01 PM
Nov 2015

Ever watch Minority Report?


Plus, with no money our dollars are actually debt instruments, look at one)
the Gov't/banks can do what it has been doing for some time...creating money out of thin air.
just zeros and ones... binary money.
Just as they "value" derivatives, which are actually future bets, contracts that have no actual cash value until they are put into play.
Yet Bank of America got the Gov't to agree to insure them in FDIC accounts.

mathematic

(1,440 posts)
17. 2000 francs? France wouldn't let me withdraw ANY francs.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:03 PM
Nov 2015

I always suspected that anti-Fed paranoia was rooted in some bizarre place that time forgot.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
20. I have to amend my comment with more up to date info:
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:45 PM
Nov 2015

France has banned any transaction over €1,000 Euros from using physical cash.
Spain has already banned cash transactions over €2,500.
Uruguay has banned cash transactions over $5,000

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
4. That is because of your generous income, most americans that live paycheck to paycheck
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:06 PM
Nov 2015

carry cash.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
6. I don't think it has anything to do with generous income. I don't see much difference between
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:13 PM
Nov 2015

$100 in my wallet or $100 in my checking account.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. Do you see a difference between 165k a year and 20k?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:15 PM
Nov 2015

Do you think both groups live the same lifestyle? They don't.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
9. Of course they don't live the same lifestyle. Does that make the lower income person ineligble
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:24 PM
Nov 2015

to have a debit card?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. No that makes them not have as much money in the bank to spend on whatever they desire.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:03 PM
Nov 2015

Or sometimes they don't have a bank account so no debit card. Just nothing left over to spend after the monthly bills are paid.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. I have a debit and credit card and never use them.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:19 PM
Nov 2015

'Cash is king' anyone saying otherwise has no clue what it is like in the real world imo.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
21. Yesterday I sold my unused and unneeded snow blower to a passerby
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:14 PM
Nov 2015

for $100 cash. I would not have accepted a check because I could have been robbed so easily. It enabled me to quickly finish cleaning out my garage and quickly raise a little cash that I need to tide me over right now. I could deposit it in my checking account, but that would require a 15 mile trip to the credit union. Instead, I'll spend it directly at the supermarket and to get my oil&filter changed.

If they (we) are stupid enough to go down that road, I hope communities come up with an alternate system (such as have taken over in Greece) so that we can continue to function as a community on a day-to-day basis.

Response to Rex (Reply #4)

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. I almost never use a debit card anymore
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:21 PM
Nov 2015

I discontinued credit cars a dozen years ago.

Everywhere I go I see people still paying with cash.


 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
14. Negative interest rates wouldn't be a box of chocolates for banks either.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:35 PM
Nov 2015

Negative interest rates = deflation.

In a fractional reserve system, banks create money by loaning it to people. Why borrow money when it'll be worth less tomorrow?

No loans=no new money. No new money=no capital to service existing debt.

People are endlessly creative. If banks force negative interest on their depositors while maintaining high interest on their loans, it will spur interest in alternative currencies.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
22. check this out
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:20 PM
Nov 2015
Banks in the US and Europe are trying to develop a cashless transactions system… The concept is to establish a comprehensive ledger for a business or a person that records everything received and spent, and all of the assets held – mortgages, investment portfolios, debts, contractual financial obligations, and anything else of market value including pleasure boats, automobiles, and other machinery.

Governments would very much like such ledgers to exist because they could view everything that is taking place financially in real time, including ability to evaluate net worth, patterns of spending and of earned and unearned income, and of course, an instant assessment of all taxable activities.
his is not a dreamy idea. Blythe Masters, the JP Morgan architect of organized market trading of modern asset backed securities like mortgage backed securities and collateralized debt obligations…is leading a new business effort to develop a universal cashless system. Not only is she gathering significant investor interest, but the Federal Reserve and various US Government agencies have become keenly interested in the potential usefulness and efficiencies of a universal cashless system.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-21/former-senior-aide-four-presidents-outlines-how-and-why-elites-want-end-physical-cas
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
23. the real reason for it is Dodd-Frank and "bail-ins" and is why I hate Dodd-Frank
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:30 PM
Nov 2015

The "tax payers won't ever have to bail out banks again" was pure subterfuge. We'll still have to bail them out, but through bail-ins, such as have taken place in Greece.

The giant Too-Big-To-Jail banksters are on the hook for trillions in derivatives. When they blow, they want our money trapped in the banks for them to confiscate.

It really is that simple. Just look at what they did to Greece. That is the plan for us. Cashless is just the first preparatory step.

Read the last 2 paragraphs of the OP article. That is what it is all about.

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