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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:27 PM Nov 2015

trump says he saw it with his own eyes (on television)....the police / snopes say it didn't happen.

trump said thousands upon thousands of people were cheering in new jersey as 9/11 happened.

the police say IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

and his poll numbers rise.

is the truth totally irrelevant anymore?


Washington (CNN)Donald Trump twice repeated over the weekend that he saw people cheering in New Jersey after the September 11 attacks -- but his claims are being widely disputed as false.

Trump first made the claim at a campaign rally in Alabama on Saturday, where he said he "watched the World Trade Center go down" and watched in New Jersey, "as thousands of people were cheering as the building was coming down."

He doubled down on those claims in an interview Sunday with ABC's "This Week," even as George Stephanopoulos pushed back.

"There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey where you have large Arab populations," Trump said. "They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/23/politics/donald-trump-new-jersey-cheering-september-11/index.html


Trump Insists He Witnessed Cheering Muslims on 9/11

Trump was challenged by Stephanopoulos, who began by replaying footage of the candidate's 21 November 2015 remarks in Birmingham, Alabama. In that footage, Trump stated:

Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.

After they viewed the clip Stephanopoulos told Trump "police [in New Jersey said] that didn't happen" and that "those rumors have been on the Internet for some time," before asking whether Trump misspoke. Following a brief exchange, Trump responded:

There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down -- as those buildings came down. And that tells you something. It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don't like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good.


http://www.snopes.com/2015/11/22/donald-trump-cheering-911/
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trump says he saw it with his own eyes (on television)....the police / snopes say it didn't happen. (Original Post) spanone Nov 2015 OP
Woah. This might be the first "Trust the police!" post I've seen in months... Shandris Nov 2015 #1
It's a popularity contest and nothing more. Trump's hatred is popular NightWatcher Nov 2015 #2
So Trump's got the money to investigate. Didn't he send a gumshoe to Hawaii to check Obama's birth?… Journeyman Nov 2015 #3
His poll numbers are ONLY rising with those who think like him SummerSnow Nov 2015 #4
I was listening a bit to WABC-NYC radio this a.m., and more than a few callers said they, too, saw WinkyDink Nov 2015 #5
I have this strange premonition that Trump wasn't even there n2doc Nov 2015 #6
Total bullshit brush Nov 2015 #7
Maybe he was thinking of these guys: Karmadillo Nov 2015 #8
don't think so.....three does not equal thousands....although in trump world it may. spanone Nov 2015 #9
Where, of where, is Joseph Welch? His nation urgently KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #10
Some Palestinians in Gaza cheered. moondust Nov 2015 #11
he remembers seeing thousands and thousands....he remembers wrong...but won't admit it. spanone Nov 2015 #12
Narrative "trumps" Truth in Baggerworld. moondust Nov 2015 #16
sadly true. spanone Nov 2015 #17
Donald Trump's Fact-Free Weekend spanone Nov 2015 #13
I am glad snopes got on this quickly uppityperson Nov 2015 #14
a true leader would be trying to calm fears....trump is ramping them up...daily spanone Nov 2015 #15
 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
1. Woah. This might be the first "Trust the police!" post I've seen in months...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:30 PM
Nov 2015

...here!

My God, this guy is...touched. In a very, special way. That way of 'special' where the word is pronounced...specially, like in an old 80's 'Special' episode sitcom. "And tonight, a very SPECIAL Diff'rent Strokes..." That special.

It boggles the mind.

(If you didn't catch the playful sarcasm in the title, might I recommend a brush-up course! )

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. It's a popularity contest and nothing more. Trump's hatred is popular
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:33 PM
Nov 2015

with a large, dumb, racist group of Americans. Unfortunately, everyone else will vote in smaller percentages than these idiots.

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
3. So Trump's got the money to investigate. Didn't he send a gumshoe to Hawaii to check Obama's birth?…
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:33 PM
Nov 2015

It seems an easy thing for a loudmouth with money to prove: The Daily Show has no problems with backing up their assertions with video proof, let Trump do the same.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
5. I was listening a bit to WABC-NYC radio this a.m., and more than a few callers said they, too, saw
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:34 PM
Nov 2015

the cheering, BUT that the city was Paterson, NJ, not Jersey City.

Of course, the debunking by Snopes SAYS IT REALLY WAS 5 ISRAELIS.

WHATEVERTHEHELL. Say it never happened, but if it DID, the perps were JEWISH ("I tracked a friend of theirs down...." Yeah, right.).

http://www.snopes.com/2015/11/22/donald-trump-cheering-911/

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
6. I have this strange premonition that Trump wasn't even there
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:36 PM
Nov 2015

I'll bet that he was in Florida or somewhere else that day. Just a hunch.

brush

(53,785 posts)
7. Total bullshit
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:45 PM
Nov 2015

I lived in New York then and for several years after and I can tell you that none of that was ever reported or even hinted at.

It's nothing but a made-up lie to exploit the current anti-Muslim sentiment sweeping his stupid base.

If the Paris attacks hadn't happened he never would've conjured up this tale.

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
8. Maybe he was thinking of these guys:
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:50 PM
Nov 2015
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?

<edit>

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

<edit>

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

more...

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeline/2001/bergenrecord091201.html

Five Men Detained As Suspected Conspirators

by Paulo Lima
The Bergen Record [New Jersey newspaper]
September 12, 2001
http://www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm

Eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan's tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts. The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday.

However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. "There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted," the source said. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."

<edit>

Sources close to the investigation said the men said they were Israeli tourists, but police had not been able to confirm their identities. Authorities would not release their names. East Rutherford officers stopped the van after the FBI's Newark Office broadcast an alert asking surrounding police departments to look for a white Chevrolet van, police said.

"We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side," said Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig. "Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down."

more...
 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
10. Where, of where, is Joseph Welch? His nation urgently
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:53 PM
Nov 2015

Requires his services yet again, this time for a far greater threat than a mere drunken Senator from Wisconsin.

moondust

(19,991 posts)
11. Some Palestinians in Gaza cheered.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:29 PM
Nov 2015

And some others in the ME but I don't remember where. Some of those clips were shown on TV.

I'm not aware of anybody in the U.S. cheering publicly.

spanone

(135,844 posts)
12. he remembers seeing thousands and thousands....he remembers wrong...but won't admit it.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:31 PM
Nov 2015

that's the kind of candidate he is.

spanone

(135,844 posts)
13. Donald Trump's Fact-Free Weekend
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:33 PM
Nov 2015
?1448297169Over the last few days, Donald Trump has made the following statements:

Over the last few days, Donald Trump has made the following statements:

He twice claimed—despite no evidence that it happened—that “thousands” of Muslims in northern New Jersey were cheering as the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed on September 11, 2001;

He gave support to people who beat up a Black Lives Matter protester at one of his rallies, calling the activist “disgusting” and saying “maybe he deserved to get roughed up.”

He tweeted statistics that vastly overstate the percentage of homicides committed by blacks.

In other words, it was a fairly typical weekend for the Republican presidential frontrunner.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/donald-trumps-fact-free-weekend/417282/
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