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Help: I need the source for the true whites killed by blacks stat (Original Post) grasswire Nov 2015 OP
Try this VMA131Marine Nov 2015 #1
good stuff, thanks grasswire Nov 2015 #5
An article from HuffPo: Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #2
he won't believe huffpo grasswire Nov 2015 #3
ignore him. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #4
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to mwrguy Nov 2015 #6
here... spanone Nov 2015 #7
I posted this earlier G_j Nov 2015 #8
Here: herding cats Nov 2015 #9
Here too: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #10
he wont believe you or your sources . i had a friend who thought van jones was a monster for saturnsring Nov 2015 #11
thanks everyone grasswire Nov 2015 #12
I believe that it came directly from Trump's flabby ass. 11 Bravo Nov 2015 #13

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
1. Try this
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:46 PM
Nov 2015

Link: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/murder

Overview
In 2014, the estimated number of murders in the nation was 14,249. This was a 0.5 percent decrease from the 2013 estimate, a 3.2 percent decrease from the 2010 figure, and a 14.9 percent drop from the number in 2005.

There were 4.5 murders per 100,000 people. The murder rate fell 1.2 percent in 2014 compared with the 2013 rate. The murder rate was down from the rates in 2010 (6.1 percent) and 2005 (20.8 percent). (See Table 1/1A)

Of the estimated number of murders in the United States, 46.0 percent were reported in the South, 20.5 percent were reported in the Midwest, 20.5 percent were reported in the West, and 13.1 percent were reported in the Northeast. (See Table 3)


One problem with the table is that it doesn't account for all homicides in the US. The table accounts for about 5700 homicides but the summary page that links to this table says there were over 14,000 homicides in the US in 2014. What this means is that the FBI did not have full demographic data on victims and offenders for the remaining 8300 homicides and this is noted in the small print of the table.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. An article from HuffPo:
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:46 PM
Nov 2015

Donald Trump Tweets A Wildly Inaccurate Graphic To Portray Black People As Murderers

Real estate mogul and reality television star Donald Trump on Sunday tweeted a chart of racist and wildly inaccurate crime statistics, just a day after supporters physically assaulted a Black Lives Matter protester at one of his rallies.

The statistics, purported to be gathered by a Crime Statistics Bureau in San Francisco this year, appear to be fabricated. The Crime Statistics Bureau cited in Trump's tweet does not exist. The FBI, which does gather official crime statistics for the U.S., has not yet released them for this year.

Last year's FBI statistics show that the numbers in Trump's tweet are incorrect and appear to be aimed at perpetuating racist myths about black people and crime.

In 2014, about 82 percent of murders involving white victims were committed by other white people, while only 14 percent were committed by black people, according to the FBI.

Among murders involving black victims, just under 90 percent were committed by other black people, while 7 percent were committed by white people.

Crime experts have concluded that homicides are most likely to occur among people of the same race because people are usually murdered by someone they already know, and most people primarily know people of their own race.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-inaccurate-tweet_56524c0de4b0879a5b0b6c10

G_j

(40,367 posts)
8. I posted this earlier
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:58 PM
Nov 2015

We Found Where Donald Trump’s “Black Crimes” Graphic Came From

Straight out of the white supremacist fever swamp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027374405

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
9. Here:
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:00 PM
Nov 2015
The statistics that Trump seemed to support had a huge margin of error: by about 66%, for both claims. From the FBI's 2014 report on U.S. homicides, of the 3,021 Caucasian murder victims, 2,488 of their assailants were white, or 82%.

BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTER BEATEN AND KICKED AFTER DISRUPTING DONALD TRUMP'S SPEECH

Trump's statistics ring just as wrong for whites killed by blacks. While the fear-mongering graphic claims it's at 81%, it's really 15%, according to the FBI's statistics — much less than the mogul's tweet would suggest.

The other "data" suggested blacks killed by whites were at 2% while blacks killed by blacks were at 97%. Again, wrong.

The real numbers behind blacks killed by whites in 2014 are at least three times more than Trump's tweet suggested, at 7%. Blacks killed by blacks are 7% less than the bogus numbers in the presidential candidate's tweet, at 89%

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/fact-checking-donald-trump-questionable-statistics-tweet-article-1.2443285


The chart on homicides by race from the FBI is here: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2014.xls

I just ran the first numbers and the hold up, I'm assuming the rest will as well.



 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
10. Here too: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:13 PM
Nov 2015

Lots of interesting data collected between 1980 and 2008

84% of white victims were killed by whites
93% of black victims were killed by blacks.
 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
11. he wont believe you or your sources . i had a friend who thought van jones was a monster for
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:14 PM
Nov 2015

something glenn beck accused him of even though van jones wasn't there. his absence was verified by his boss at the time. she wouldn't believe me. she said she knows I don't like g.b. so I told her where to read about it she called it a liberal source I told her regardless of the source v.j.'s boss is the one accounting for him and she said well he's in on it too. so don't waste your time (if that's your real reason) save your breath

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
12. thanks everyone
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:17 PM
Nov 2015

lots of proof provided by you cohorts.

He's a good cousin and I love him dearly but he is sooo brainwashed by RW radio and cop culture.

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