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What I want to know is why the police didn't empty their guns on the PP shooter when he came (Original Post) sinkingfeeling Nov 2015 OP
He wasn't going for his waistband gwheezie Nov 2015 #1
Maybe they brought him one at the station. Just being courteous to a prisoner. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #3
Well...that's what they did with Roof. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #12
They had snipers everywhere. They had a fairly controlled situation and lots TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #2
Yes, apples and oranges, this guy actually killed people instead of swiping some cigars. I too sinkingfeeling Nov 2015 #5
Well, by apples and oranges I mean it wasn't one or two officers responding TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #10
I REALLY don't think the OP was questioning... ret5hd Nov 2015 #6
I didn't say he or she did. I'm just saying other law enforcement agencies could certainly TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #7
You saw the video of how they took Dylan Storm Roof Cellar into custody 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #4
That's not the truth. Not sure you care. Action_Patrol Nov 2015 #14
oh I'm sorry my mistake 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #15
It's common practice. Still not sure you care Action_Patrol Nov 2015 #16
Kill a bunch of black church ladies and get a free mail at ...I mean FROM burger king 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #17
Enjoy your Saturday. Action_Patrol Nov 2015 #19
At least I get to but those church ladies he gunned down won't anymore. Hey, at least... 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #20
Stay classy Action_Patrol Nov 2015 #21
Do not dare get in the way of that one's Tipperary Nov 2015 #27
It was 100% my fault for bothering to engage. Action_Patrol Nov 2015 #29
What agenda might that be? 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #31
See post 12. cwydro Nov 2015 #33
I saw it, whats your point? n/t 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #34
Never mind. cwydro Nov 2015 #37
The point that I'm making is that it seems like White terrorists and mass murders are given... 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #35
I just want to make sure you understand some things, then I'll let you get back to you anger. Chan790 Nov 2015 #60
Do many adults think BK is something special? pintobean Nov 2015 #36
Don't try to change the subject 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #38
That made me lol. You brought up the subject. pintobean Nov 2015 #41
I don't find any of this funny n/t 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #42
I find your antics amusing. pintobean Nov 2015 #43
So pointing out that White terrorists and mass murderers are often given special treatment... 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #44
It seems that this poster considers Tipperary Nov 2015 #45
It is! Have you seen this? pintobean Nov 2015 #50
The image does not work for me. Tipperary Nov 2015 #57
It's a BK kids meal ad for Plants vs Zombies toys pintobean Nov 2015 #58
Oh very good! Tipperary Nov 2015 #59
Should we starve him to death? pintobean Nov 2015 #24
I guess jail food is too good for a guy who just gunned down a bunch of black church ladies 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #28
The cops traded Burger King food in exchange for his cooperation on a statement Calista241 Nov 2015 #65
Wow. Talk about intentionally missing the point. You win the prize. n/t xocet Nov 2015 #26
Where is it a common practice? atreides1 Nov 2015 #39
It's not just in special cases although this would count. Action_Patrol Nov 2015 #40
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Nov 2015 #46
Big, big, BIG cases with massive media coverage follow the rules by the book. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #54
It's not "common practice" when the perp is black. nt TBF Nov 2015 #66
Ok Action_Patrol Nov 2015 #67
No, really pintobean Nov 2015 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #8
White man, yes? oldandhappy Nov 2015 #9
yes niyad Nov 2015 #52
He wasn't carrying a bag of Skittles, and, oh, yeah, he was white. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #11
I wonder if they already knew that she identifies as Chrome Bumper Nov 2015 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #18
No, UAF means no party, unaffiliated Chrome Bumper Nov 2015 #22
Maybe because not every cop is a murderer? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #25
To be fair matt819 Nov 2015 #30
I believe there are two reasons: PatrickforO Nov 2015 #32
Yeah, the cops sympathized with him so much that one was killed TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #47
I'm really glad they didn't. We need to know a lot about this man. nolabear Nov 2015 #48
My take is that they were not sure if he was wearing explosives malaise Nov 2015 #49
Because he was as white as the snow falling. nt valerief Nov 2015 #51
Because he's white mwrguy Nov 2015 #53
This. fredamae Nov 2015 #56
Partly it was a critical incident with many, many, many media outlets on the perimeter nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #55
Maybe these cops are just more professional ck4829 Nov 2015 #61
He's white and they were on live. Iggo Nov 2015 #62
Most news feeds said they were negotiating with him when he was inside riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #63
White man armed to the teeth on a terror mission in PP workinclasszero Nov 2015 #64

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
1. He wasn't going for his waistband
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:23 PM
Nov 2015

I'm more concerned that they didn't run him over to burger king before they booked him.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
12. Well...that's what they did with Roof.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:40 PM
Nov 2015

Roof wasn't taken to a Burger King, he was brought Burger King food at jail. That's actually quite common when someone's brought in and the jail kitchen is closed. Police departments use a post-arrest rights violation checklist, and "witholding food" is on that list. The cops will bring in food to avoid the appearance of a rights violation (and thus possible loss of the case).

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. They had snipers everywhere. They had a fairly controlled situation and lots
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:27 PM
Nov 2015

of officers ready and waiting. It's apples and oranges, in this case. I commend the CSPD for their patience, professionalism and restraint.

sinkingfeeling

(51,482 posts)
5. Yes, apples and oranges, this guy actually killed people instead of swiping some cigars. I too
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:30 PM
Nov 2015

commend the CSPD for showing restraint.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
10. Well, by apples and oranges I mean it wasn't one or two officers responding
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:36 PM
Nov 2015

to a petty incident that spirals out of control, whether because of racial attitudes or lack of back-up or lack of training, etc. This was a big mass-killing spree that had hostages, potential explosives in the building, etc. Different situation altogether.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
7. I didn't say he or she did. I'm just saying other law enforcement agencies could certainly
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:32 PM
Nov 2015

follow their example, and then we'd have less overreaction and brutality.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
4. You saw the video of how they took Dylan Storm Roof Cellar into custody
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:28 PM
Nov 2015

...and they took him out for a burger afterwards

So I'm not surprised by this

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
20. At least I get to but those church ladies he gunned down won't anymore. Hey, at least...
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:58 PM
Nov 2015

He got a free burger king meal out of it.



 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
31. What agenda might that be?
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:22 PM
Nov 2015

That I don't want a white supremacist who gunned down a bunch of church ladies to be brought food from a fast food restaurant?

If you think that's an "agenda", then I can only wonder what your "agenda" is.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
35. The point that I'm making is that it seems like White terrorists and mass murders are given...
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:34 PM
Nov 2015

Special treatment when they are taken in whether it be food from a fast food restaurant, being handcuffed from the front instead of the back, being allowed visits from family, etc.

Meanwhile anyone else that isn't White is stripped naked, given prison clothes, thrown in a cell and held until their first arraignment.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
60. I just want to make sure you understand some things, then I'll let you get back to you anger.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 03:36 PM
Nov 2015

It's not unreasonable anger over racial violence, but I just want to insure you're well-informed.

1.) Are you aware that it's considered a human right violation to withhold food from a prisoner?

2.) That cases are thrown out over things like "The accused was not provided food for the 12 hours they were detained by police prior to his booking hearing" resulting in the release of violent criminals?

3.) That there is a check-list that is used to insure that no human right violations occur so that criminals don't have to be released after committing serious crimes?

4.) That the use of comfort items or luxuries are sometimes used to elicit willingness to give a statement in an arrestee...and that his statement following his arrest is likely the one piece of evidence that is going to make the difference whether he gets life or the needle? (I'm anti-DP, but I don't know your feelings on the issue.)

I mean I get why you're upset he was bought BK...I'd have much rather they offered him a stale bread and oily "cheese product" sandwich made with aseptic-foil-packet mayo too...but having been an anti-DP activist for 20 years (since age 15) and spent my share of time with evil people in prison sentenced to die, I get why these things are done. They're done because they aid in the fulfillment of justice.

That $2 burger is going to minimally put him in a 6x10' room for the rest of his life and probably get him strapped to a gurney.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
36. Do many adults think BK is something special?
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:37 PM
Nov 2015

I eat there once in a while. It's just cheap, quick , and easy fuel.

Their advertisements try to convince us that it's something special, though. That fits with your narrative.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
38. Don't try to change the subject
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:43 PM
Nov 2015

It doesn't matter. The point being, they gave him special treatment and got him food that he requested, something they would have never done if a black man or OMG! OMG! OMG! OH MY GOD!!!! ...an Arab Muslim man from Syria man walked in a white church and blew away a bunch of white church ladies during bible study.

Just a fact.

I don't think anyone regardless of race should get special treatment after doing what Dylan Storm Cloud Root Cellar did.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
44. So pointing out that White terrorists and mass murderers are often given special treatment...
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:25 PM
Nov 2015

Is amusing to you?

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
45. It seems that this poster considers
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:28 PM
Nov 2015

Burger King to be a real treat lol. The height of fine dining.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
24. Should we starve him to death?
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:06 PM
Nov 2015

No wasting money on food, a trial, or a cell. What a simple solution. It's a shame that no one has ever thought of that in all of human history.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
65. The cops traded Burger King food in exchange for his cooperation on a statement
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 07:41 PM
Nov 2015

I don't see what the problem is. This kind of thing happens every day in every police station for suspects and even convicted prisoners if they can help with a case. It happens for white, black, asian, and all other types of detainees every day.

Of course, don't let reality get in the way of your proselytizing.

atreides1

(16,100 posts)
39. Where is it a common practice?
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Nov 2015

I worked at a country jail...in the inmate intake section! If they arrived after the last meal had been served, they waited until the next day...and were given breakfast, before they appeared before the judge!

Sometimes, if they were lucky...they might get a bologna sandwich, but outside food was not authorized!



Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
40. It's not just in special cases although this would count.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:53 PM
Nov 2015

Mass Arrest situations immediately come to mind. When we protested the RNC in New York, one of my friends was picked up. They were not processed quickly at all but were offered food (my friend refused the food). This could easily be seen as them just covering their bases to avoid additional claims of rights violations but it is done.

A criminal suspect is entitled to humane treatment, no matter how heinous the alleged crime. If you were not treated humanely, for instance if you were deprived of food and water or if you were beaten either during police questioning or while in a holding cell, your rights may have been violated.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
54. Big, big, BIG cases with massive media coverage follow the rules by the book.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:46 PM
Nov 2015

There is a checklist, and if the suspect is not offered food (withholding food), a case can be thrown out. This is purely for informational purposes. Regular inmates are not typically treated in the same manner as high-profile cases.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
23. No, really
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:01 PM
Nov 2015

I read on the internet that Roof wore a cardboard crown and played on the playground at BK, while in custody.

Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

 

Chrome Bumper

(9 posts)
13. I wonder if they already knew that she identifies as
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:41 PM
Nov 2015

Female, unaffiliated on her Colorado voter registration form and didn't want to be accused of being transphobic?

http://coloradovoters.info/by_number/6010/10372_robert_lewis_dear.html

I suppose that'll come out in the investigation.

Response to Chrome Bumper (Reply #13)

matt819

(10,749 posts)
30. To be fair
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:20 PM
Nov 2015

It's entirely possible that the police on the scene and managing the response were the kind of professionals that should be out there on our behalf. They should be commended and looked at as role models.

Or they're just as racist and unprofessional and they did not kill him because he's white.

It'll be interesting to learn which as the story unfolds.

PatrickforO

(14,599 posts)
32. I believe there are two reasons:
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:23 PM
Nov 2015

First, the guy was white. Not a Muslim, not a person of color, but white.

Second, remember this is Colorado Springs. Likely some, perhaps most, of the cops agreed with the shooter about Planned Parenthood.

And it's equally horrifying how little news we're getting about the shooter. He isn't being called a terrorist and probably won't be. The gun nuts will use this for more arguments in favor of armed vigilantes patrolling our streets posing as militia. The conservative 'christians' will remain silent, but secretly be pleased the guy did what he did. The corporate owned media will spin the notion that he is a mentally ill person and wasn't acting out of any ideology.

In the words of Bill Maher, "I have no proof, but I just know it's true that he's a Christian pro-life terrorist."

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
47. Yeah, the cops sympathized with him so much that one was killed
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:28 PM
Nov 2015

several other cops were wounded in trying to stop him.

nolabear

(42,001 posts)
48. I'm really glad they didn't. We need to know a lot about this man.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:28 PM
Nov 2015

And everyone he's ever been associated with.

malaise

(269,236 posts)
49. My take is that they were not sure if he was wearing explosives
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:29 PM
Nov 2015

Remember he had a bag with a propane tank

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
56. This.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:49 PM
Nov 2015

No need for handwringing and pearl clutching. I agree-he is white there-fore alive.

I need someone in disagreement to factually explain to me why this isn't true.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
55. Partly it was a critical incident with many, many, many media outlets on the perimeter
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:49 PM
Nov 2015

The more media you have around ANY SWAT incident, regardless of the race of the suspect, the more likely the suspect will be arrested alive, and without any injuries.

That is your answer.

ck4829

(35,094 posts)
61. Maybe these cops are just more professional
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 03:40 PM
Nov 2015

There are racist cops, that can not be dismissed, but to not shoot this man after he shot several of them, killing one, shows restraint.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
63. Most news feeds said they were negotiating with him when he was inside
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:39 PM
Nov 2015

I suspect that those negotiations were the reason he walked out alive.

Nothing to do with race, it was because they talked him down off whatever crazy cliff he was on and got him to walk out.



I know that doesn't fit the current meme about race

(Dons flame suit)

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
64. White man armed to the teeth on a terror mission in PP
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:43 PM
Nov 2015

survives.

Now if he had been a black kid playing with a toy gun he would have been filled with lead in a heartbeat.

American priorities, yup.

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