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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat I want to know is why the police didn't empty their guns on the PP shooter when he came
out? They certainly shoot black teenagers who have their hands up after they've committed a misdemeanor.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I'm more concerned that they didn't run him over to burger king before they booked him.
LiberalArkie
(15,730 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Roof wasn't taken to a Burger King, he was brought Burger King food at jail. That's actually quite common when someone's brought in and the jail kitchen is closed. Police departments use a post-arrest rights violation checklist, and "witholding food" is on that list. The cops will bring in food to avoid the appearance of a rights violation (and thus possible loss of the case).
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)of officers ready and waiting. It's apples and oranges, in this case. I commend the CSPD for their patience, professionalism and restraint.
sinkingfeeling
(51,482 posts)commend the CSPD for showing restraint.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)to a petty incident that spirals out of control, whether because of racial attitudes or lack of back-up or lack of training, etc. This was a big mass-killing spree that had hostages, potential explosives in the building, etc. Different situation altogether.
ret5hd
(20,535 posts)the CSPD's patience, professionalism or restraint.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)follow their example, and then we'd have less overreaction and brutality.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)...and they took him out for a burger afterwards
So I'm not surprised by this
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)He was given food. He wasn't 'taken out for a burger'.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)They actually went to burger king and brought it to him. HUGE difference
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)Insert Idiotic emoticon here.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)#WhitePrivilege
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)He got a free burger king meal out of it.
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)agenda.
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)Forgive me.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)That I don't want a white supremacist who gunned down a bunch of church ladies to be brought food from a fast food restaurant?
If you think that's an "agenda", then I can only wonder what your "agenda" is.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Though I doubt you'll pay it any mind.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)That's what I thought.
Carry on.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Special treatment when they are taken in whether it be food from a fast food restaurant, being handcuffed from the front instead of the back, being allowed visits from family, etc.
Meanwhile anyone else that isn't White is stripped naked, given prison clothes, thrown in a cell and held until their first arraignment.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)It's not unreasonable anger over racial violence, but I just want to insure you're well-informed.
1.) Are you aware that it's considered a human right violation to withhold food from a prisoner?
2.) That cases are thrown out over things like "The accused was not provided food for the 12 hours they were detained by police prior to his booking hearing" resulting in the release of violent criminals?
3.) That there is a check-list that is used to insure that no human right violations occur so that criminals don't have to be released after committing serious crimes?
4.) That the use of comfort items or luxuries are sometimes used to elicit willingness to give a statement in an arrestee...and that his statement following his arrest is likely the one piece of evidence that is going to make the difference whether he gets life or the needle? (I'm anti-DP, but I don't know your feelings on the issue.)
I mean I get why you're upset he was bought BK...I'd have much rather they offered him a stale bread and oily "cheese product" sandwich made with aseptic-foil-packet mayo too...but having been an anti-DP activist for 20 years (since age 15) and spent my share of time with evil people in prison sentenced to die, I get why these things are done. They're done because they aid in the fulfillment of justice.
That $2 burger is going to minimally put him in a 6x10' room for the rest of his life and probably get him strapped to a gurney.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I eat there once in a while. It's just cheap, quick , and easy fuel.
Their advertisements try to convince us that it's something special, though. That fits with your narrative.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)It doesn't matter. The point being, they gave him special treatment and got him food that he requested, something they would have never done if a black man or OMG! OMG! OMG! OH MY GOD!!!! ...an Arab Muslim man from Syria man walked in a white church and blew away a bunch of white church ladies during bible study.
Just a fact.
I don't think anyone regardless of race should get special treatment after doing what Dylan Storm Cloud Root Cellar did.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)That says nothing about the seriousness of mass shootings.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Is amusing to you?
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Burger King to be a real treat lol. The height of fine dining.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Just a black box.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Fine dining for sure!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)No wasting money on food, a trial, or a cell. What a simple solution. It's a shame that no one has ever thought of that in all of human history.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)I don't see what the problem is. This kind of thing happens every day in every police station for suspects and even convicted prisoners if they can help with a case. It happens for white, black, asian, and all other types of detainees every day.
Of course, don't let reality get in the way of your proselytizing.
xocet
(3,873 posts)atreides1
(16,100 posts)I worked at a country jail...in the inmate intake section! If they arrived after the last meal had been served, they waited until the next day...and were given breakfast, before they appeared before the judge!
Sometimes, if they were lucky...they might get a bologna sandwich, but outside food was not authorized!
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)Mass Arrest situations immediately come to mind. When we protested the RNC in New York, one of my friends was picked up. They were not processed quickly at all but were offered food (my friend refused the food). This could easily be seen as them just covering their bases to avoid additional claims of rights violations but it is done.
A criminal suspect is entitled to humane treatment, no matter how heinous the alleged crime. If you were not treated humanely, for instance if you were deprived of food and water or if you were beaten either during police questioning or while in a holding cell, your rights may have been violated.
malaise
(269,236 posts)How dare you present facts?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)There is a checklist, and if the suspect is not offered food (withholding food), a case can be thrown out. This is purely for informational purposes. Regular inmates are not typically treated in the same manner as high-profile cases.
TBF
(32,114 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)I read on the internet that Roof wore a cardboard crown and played on the playground at BK, while in custody.
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oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Chrome Bumper
(9 posts)Female, unaffiliated on her Colorado voter registration form and didn't want to be accused of being transphobic?
http://coloradovoters.info/by_number/6010/10372_robert_lewis_dear.html
I suppose that'll come out in the investigation.
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Chrome Bumper
(9 posts)We do that in Arizona too.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Ya think???!!!!!????
matt819
(10,749 posts)It's entirely possible that the police on the scene and managing the response were the kind of professionals that should be out there on our behalf. They should be commended and looked at as role models.
Or they're just as racist and unprofessional and they did not kill him because he's white.
It'll be interesting to learn which as the story unfolds.
PatrickforO
(14,599 posts)First, the guy was white. Not a Muslim, not a person of color, but white.
Second, remember this is Colorado Springs. Likely some, perhaps most, of the cops agreed with the shooter about Planned Parenthood.
And it's equally horrifying how little news we're getting about the shooter. He isn't being called a terrorist and probably won't be. The gun nuts will use this for more arguments in favor of armed vigilantes patrolling our streets posing as militia. The conservative 'christians' will remain silent, but secretly be pleased the guy did what he did. The corporate owned media will spin the notion that he is a mentally ill person and wasn't acting out of any ideology.
In the words of Bill Maher, "I have no proof, but I just know it's true that he's a Christian pro-life terrorist."
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)several other cops were wounded in trying to stop him.
nolabear
(42,001 posts)And everyone he's ever been associated with.
malaise
(269,236 posts)Remember he had a bag with a propane tank
valerief
(53,235 posts)mwrguy
(3,245 posts)No need for handwringing and pearl clutching. I agree-he is white there-fore alive.
I need someone in disagreement to factually explain to me why this isn't true.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The more media you have around ANY SWAT incident, regardless of the race of the suspect, the more likely the suspect will be arrested alive, and without any injuries.
That is your answer.
ck4829
(35,094 posts)There are racist cops, that can not be dismissed, but to not shoot this man after he shot several of them, killing one, shows restraint.
Iggo
(47,579 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I suspect that those negotiations were the reason he walked out alive.
Nothing to do with race, it was because they talked him down off whatever crazy cliff he was on and got him to walk out.
I know that doesn't fit the current meme about race
(Dons flame suit)
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)survives.
Now if he had been a black kid playing with a toy gun he would have been filled with lead in a heartbeat.
American priorities, yup.