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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDenial of Reproductive Rights and Calling it what it IS: SLAVERY
Reproductive Rights and the Long Hand of Slave Breeding
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Scratch at modern life and theres a little slave era just below the surface, so were right back to your argument.
Pamela Bridgewaters argument, expressed over the past several years in articles and forums, and at the heart of a book in final revision called Breeding a Nation: Reproductive Slavery and the Pursuit of Freedom, presents the most compelling conceptual and constitutional frame I know for considering womens bodily integrity and defending it from the right.
In brief, her argument rolls out like this. The broad culture tells a standard story of the struggle for reproductive rights, beginning with the flapper, climaxing with the pill, Griswold v. Connecticut and an assumption of privacy rights under the Fourteenth Amendment and concluding with Roe v. Wade. The same culture tells a traditional story of black emancipation, beginning with the Middle Passage, climaxing with Dred Scott, Harpers Ferry and Civil War and concluding with the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments. Both stories have a postscripta battle royal between liberation and reactionbut, as Bridgewater asserts, Taken together, these stories have no comprehensive meaning. They tell no collective tale. They create no expectation of sexual freedom and no protection against, or remedy for, reproductive slavery. They exist in separate spheres; that is a mistake. What unites them but what both leave out, except incidentally, is the experience of black women. Most significantly, they leave out the lost chapter of slave breeding.
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THE REST: http://www.thenation.com/article/reproductive-rights-and-long-hand-slave-breeding/
hueymahl
(2,498 posts)This is the equivalent of invoking hitler every time you don't like what your neighborhood association does. This type of rhetoric does not help the cause, it just makes us sound infantile and unreasonable. It disengages discourse. And is kind of silly.
Triana
(22,666 posts)Thus, your opinion is - shall we say - uninformed? Yea. Your "I'll never be enslaved by the American Taliban" due to my sex" privilege is noted.
hueymahl
(2,498 posts)And uninformed.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Your bias is noted... and uniformed.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Comparing denial of reproductive rights to a neighborhood association is far sillier.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Since you are apparently in no position to become pregnant, your opinion is not based on personal experience or potentialities.
It's neither hyperbolic nor BS. I advise listening to what is being said.
hueymahl
(2,498 posts)And I think it hurts the cause of reproductive freedom to make on over-the-top comparison to slavery.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)That argument taps into existing cultural acceptance of ending a life, and short-circuits anti-abortionist rhetoric about murder without getting into perpetual parsings about timing of life-beginning and the moment when rights of personhood are bestowed by culture.
Abortion is a self-defense, and the things that are defended against are the consequences of subjugation of a person's reproductive functions to the will of society. What is the effect of a fancy word like subjugation if not enduring the burdens of enslavement to the will of others?
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)That's like saying you support ISIS if you drink sugary sodas or you're a pedophile if you own guns or you're a rapist for going over the speed limit in a school zone.
Those are two vastly separate issues and I don't see how putting shocking labels on people or changing the definition of things helps. Slavery is wrong, denying women the right to certain medical procedures is wrong but they are not one in the same and as far as I'm aware none of the so-called "pro-life" people are trying to forcefully breed women so they can turn their future children into slaves.
Triana
(22,666 posts)FORCING sex and childbearing on women is what anti-abortion/anti-contraception and pro-rape politicians want. It's slavery. Full stop. Disagree all you want. Doesn't change anything.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)but if you want to call someone speeding in a school zone a rapist, so be it but it doesn't make it true and before you take what I said out of context here's what I originally said.
Those are two vastly separate issues and I don't see how putting shocking labels on people or changing the definition of things helps. Slavery is wrong, denying women the right to certain medical procedures is wrong but they are not one in the same and as far as I'm aware none of the so-called "pro-life" people are trying to forcefully breed women so they can turn their future children into slaves.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)I guess calling abortion providers murderers is an accurate depiction, then?
The RW has held the megaphone for so long, womens rights activists can't get heard unless they up the level of rhetoric to match that of the subjugators.
I will allow it.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)No and why should pro-women rights activists resort to RW extremist tactics?
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Like Fisk, Howard, Spelman, Tuskegee?
Because the white slave masters raped their female slaves, and produced half-breed children. And because the children were half-white, the slave masters wanted to send some of them to college, and there were no colleges for Black people.
In fact, for many years it was illegal for a white person to teach a slave to read.
Triana
(22,666 posts)Women today get as about much support or protection under the law as those female slaves did. OK maybe a little more but not much. They're basically subjected to the "too bad, so sad - sucks to be you - what did you to to tempt him?" attitude by lawmakers and law enforcement alike. Then, if they get pregnant, those same want women to be forced to carry and give birth. Much like the female negro slaves. There's really not a heck of a lot of difference. I agree w/ the article I put in the OP: scratch the surface of the vehement anti-abortion/anti-contraception, pro-rape contingent and that's what's underneath. Basically the humanity of women and any agency they would otherwise have as humans is totally disregarded and they are thought to be of no use in this world other than as incubators and servants at male convenience.
It's not ridiculous at all - it's what is happening - it's the basis, IMO of the war on women. Their human rights are being thwarted and denied in the same way female slaves were - and for the same reason.
Sexual and reproductive slavery for women, and slave labor is what Republicans want to "take their country back" to. Make no mistake - slavery is an ideal to be pursued with conservatives. It's something they dearly want to get back to.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Just making a historical point.