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Triana

(22,666 posts)
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:26 AM Nov 2015

Denial of Reproductive Rights and Calling it what it IS: SLAVERY



Reproductive Rights and the Long Hand of Slave Breeding

. . .

“Scratch at modern life and there’s a little slave era just below the surface, so we’re right back to your argument.”

Pamela Bridgewater’s argument, expressed over the past several years in articles and forums, and at the heart of a book in final revision called Breeding a Nation: Reproductive Slavery and the Pursuit of Freedom, presents the most compelling conceptual and constitutional frame I know for considering women’s bodily integrity and defending it from the right.

In brief, her argument rolls out like this. The broad culture tells a standard story of the struggle for reproductive rights, beginning with the flapper, climaxing with the pill, Griswold v. Connecticut and an assumption of privacy rights under the Fourteenth Amendment and concluding with Roe v. Wade. The same culture tells a traditional story of black emancipation, beginning with the Middle Passage, climaxing with Dred Scott, Harpers Ferry and Civil War and concluding with the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments. Both stories have a postscript—a battle royal between liberation and reaction—but, as Bridgewater asserts, “Taken together, these stories have no comprehensive meaning. They tell no collective tale. They create no expectation of sexual freedom and no protection against, or remedy for, reproductive slavery. They exist in separate spheres; that is a mistake.” What unites them but what both leave out, except incidentally, is the experience of black women. Most significantly, they leave out “the lost chapter of slave breeding.”

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THE REST: http://www.thenation.com/article/reproductive-rights-and-long-hand-slave-breeding/
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Denial of Reproductive Rights and Calling it what it IS: SLAVERY (Original Post) Triana Nov 2015 OP
Hyperbolic BS hueymahl Nov 2015 #1
You are listed as Male. No uterus. Triana Nov 2015 #2
Sexist comment hueymahl Nov 2015 #5
Your bias is noted... LanternWaste Nov 2015 #14
Slavery is restricted freedom. Denial of reproductive rights is restricted freedom. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #3
No, actually, it is not. MineralMan Nov 2015 #4
I am listening to what is being said hueymahl Nov 2015 #6
I think it's on the right track...because abortion is an act of self-defense HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #8
I disagree 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #7
You didn't read the article, did you? Triana Nov 2015 #9
I read the article and disagree with you and the premise you're putting forth 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #11
Shocking labels? Wounded Bear Nov 2015 #10
"I guess calling abortion providers murderers is an accurate depiction, then? " 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #12
Do you know why the historically Black colleges were founded? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #13
Yes. I know. Triana Nov 2015 #15
I agree with you. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #16

hueymahl

(2,498 posts)
1. Hyperbolic BS
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:59 AM
Nov 2015

This is the equivalent of invoking hitler every time you don't like what your neighborhood association does. This type of rhetoric does not help the cause, it just makes us sound infantile and unreasonable. It disengages discourse. And is kind of silly.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
2. You are listed as Male. No uterus.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 12:41 PM
Nov 2015

Thus, your opinion is - shall we say - uninformed? Yea. Your "I'll never be enslaved by the American Taliban" due to my sex" privilege is noted.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
3. Slavery is restricted freedom. Denial of reproductive rights is restricted freedom.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 12:45 PM
Nov 2015

Comparing denial of reproductive rights to a neighborhood association is far sillier.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
4. No, actually, it is not.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 01:14 PM
Nov 2015

Since you are apparently in no position to become pregnant, your opinion is not based on personal experience or potentialities.

It's neither hyperbolic nor BS. I advise listening to what is being said.

hueymahl

(2,498 posts)
6. I am listening to what is being said
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:06 AM
Nov 2015

And I think it hurts the cause of reproductive freedom to make on over-the-top comparison to slavery.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. I think it's on the right track...because abortion is an act of self-defense
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:25 AM
Nov 2015

That argument taps into existing cultural acceptance of ending a life, and short-circuits anti-abortionist rhetoric about murder without getting into perpetual parsings about timing of life-beginning and the moment when rights of personhood are bestowed by culture.

Abortion is a self-defense, and the things that are defended against are the consequences of subjugation of a person's reproductive functions to the will of society. What is the effect of a fancy word like subjugation if not enduring the burdens of enslavement to the will of others?

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
7. I disagree
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:19 AM
Nov 2015

That's like saying you support ISIS if you drink sugary sodas or you're a pedophile if you own guns or you're a rapist for going over the speed limit in a school zone.

Those are two vastly separate issues and I don't see how putting shocking labels on people or changing the definition of things helps. Slavery is wrong, denying women the right to certain medical procedures is wrong but they are not one in the same and as far as I'm aware none of the so-called "pro-life" people are trying to forcefully breed women so they can turn their future children into slaves.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
9. You didn't read the article, did you?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:34 PM
Nov 2015

FORCING sex and childbearing on women is what anti-abortion/anti-contraception and pro-rape politicians want. It's slavery. Full stop. Disagree all you want. Doesn't change anything.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
11. I read the article and disagree with you and the premise you're putting forth
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:41 PM
Nov 2015

but if you want to call someone speeding in a school zone a rapist, so be it but it doesn't make it true and before you take what I said out of context here's what I originally said.

That's like saying you support ISIS if you drink sugary sodas or you're a pedophile if you own guns or you're a rapist for going over the speed limit in a school zone.

Those are two vastly separate issues and I don't see how putting shocking labels on people or changing the definition of things helps. Slavery is wrong, denying women the right to certain medical procedures is wrong but they are not one in the same and as far as I'm aware none of the so-called "pro-life" people are trying to forcefully breed women so they can turn their future children into slaves.


Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
10. Shocking labels?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:40 PM
Nov 2015

I guess calling abortion providers murderers is an accurate depiction, then?

The RW has held the megaphone for so long, womens rights activists can't get heard unless they up the level of rhetoric to match that of the subjugators.

I will allow it.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
12. "I guess calling abortion providers murderers is an accurate depiction, then? "
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:46 PM
Nov 2015

No and why should pro-women rights activists resort to RW extremist tactics?


 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
13. Do you know why the historically Black colleges were founded?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:23 PM
Nov 2015

Like Fisk, Howard, Spelman, Tuskegee?

Because the white slave masters raped their female slaves, and produced half-breed children. And because the children were half-white, the slave masters wanted to send some of them to college, and there were no colleges for Black people.

In fact, for many years it was illegal for a white person to teach a slave to read.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
15. Yes. I know.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:42 PM
Nov 2015

Women today get as about much support or protection under the law as those female slaves did. OK maybe a little more but not much. They're basically subjected to the "too bad, so sad - sucks to be you - what did you to to tempt him?" attitude by lawmakers and law enforcement alike. Then, if they get pregnant, those same want women to be forced to carry and give birth. Much like the female negro slaves. There's really not a heck of a lot of difference. I agree w/ the article I put in the OP: scratch the surface of the vehement anti-abortion/anti-contraception, pro-rape contingent and that's what's underneath. Basically the humanity of women and any agency they would otherwise have as humans is totally disregarded and they are thought to be of no use in this world other than as incubators and servants at male convenience.

It's not ridiculous at all - it's what is happening - it's the basis, IMO of the war on women. Their human rights are being thwarted and denied in the same way female slaves were - and for the same reason.

Sexual and reproductive slavery for women, and slave labor is what Republicans want to "take their country back" to. Make no mistake - slavery is an ideal to be pursued with conservatives. It's something they dearly want to get back to.

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