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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe media CAN'T call the Planned Parenthood attack "terrorism".
:largeThe Planned Parenthood attack is being called terrorism all across a wide swath of media outlets.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)I call bullshit.
Where exactly are you seeing this decried directly as terrorism? You need to cite a source: anyone who does a quick headline search will find hundreds of articles about the "shooting" but not one about the "terrorist attack" at PP in Colorado Springs. Please demonstrate with sources how this is being called terrorism "across a wide swath of media outlets".
oberliner
(58,724 posts)As news continues to unfold about Fridays Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado Springs, one thing is clear: Domestic terrorism remains unchecked, even on the day after Thanksgiving. To label this an isolated act of violence would be naïve. In 2015 alone, there has been unprecedented harassment from anti-choice extremists, including most recently, a series of slanderous manipulated videos used to attack Planned Parenthoods fetal tissue donation programs. And now this.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/11/colorado_springs_planned_parenthood_anti_abortion_violence.html
Huffington Post: We Need to Talk About Domestic Terrorism
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randall-frederick/we-need-to-talk-about-dom_b_8673646.html
Boston Herald: Homegrown terrorists wreak as much havoc
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/peter_gelzinis/2015/11/gelzinis_homegrown_terrorists_wreak_as_much_havoc
KCCI (Des Moines): Huckabee: Planned Parenthood shooting is 'domestic terrorism'
http://www.kcci.com/politics/huckabee-planned-parenthood-shooting-is-domestic-terrorism/36704644
Bustle: The Planned Parenthood Shooting Could Be Domestic Terrorism, & It's Important That We Recognize It
http://www.bustle.com/articles/126394-the-planned-parenthood-shooting-could-be-domestic-terrorism-its-important-that-we-recognize-it
And Yahoo News:
The gunman a 57-year-old man was apparently so afraid of womens healthcare that he engaged in an act of domestic terrorism. This man apparently wanted women to be afraid to seek out necessary, basic health care services.
https://www.yahoo.com/health/colorado-planned-parenthood-attack-is-an-attack-on-180709221.html
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Wow, talk about desperation. You and Huckabee: comrades in avoiding truth.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If even Huckabee is using that term, then what does that tell you?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Says a lot about you.
still_one
(92,238 posts)assessment was not correct.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Fridays attack on Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs highlights the ever-growing problem that anti-gun control advocates continually ignore: domestic terrorism is wreaking havoc on our nation, and for what purpose? Forget the concern about Syrian refugees being secret ISIS operatives. The United States has plenty of its own domestic terrorism within its borders.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2596610/colorado-springs-shooting-an-act-of-domestic-terrorism/
Also check out The Guardian, Mother Jones, and Al Jazeera.
Rex
(65,616 posts)on the WWW talking about it all over the place.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Planned Parenthood Standoff 'Appears' to Be Domestic Terrorism, Colorado Springs Mayor Says
http://abcnews.go.com/US/planned-parenthood-standoff-appears-domestic-terrorism-colorado-springs/story?id=35471366
I think with so many prominent people using the term "terrorism" to describe what happened, it is now being characterized that way just about everywhere.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Good to know this, maybe they were taking precautions out of fear of reprisal. Nobody laugh...it could happen to PP or a news station, I don't think folks like Dear are very disciminatory in their hatred. Just a hunch.
Gman
(24,780 posts)As they did with Paris. I'm glad the word us being used, but the MSM itself needs to use the word.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)wiggs
(7,814 posts)Chef Eric
(1,024 posts)Meanwhile, the site still says "motive unclear," as if it's a big mystery.
It's a disgrace that major news sources won't use a word like "terrorism" to describe an act like this until they're able to quote some right-wing politician who, after a day of careful deliberation, has decided that using the word "terrorism" is not outrageously offensive to his political base (i.e., religious nutjobs).
Clearly, the media can't think for themselves.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Also, Huckabee using the phrase "domestic terrorism" in relation to this attack has helped.
Chef Eric
(1,024 posts)I guess it takes him at least 24 hours to decide that being credited for saying something obviously reasonable will likely outweigh the risk of alienating his political base (i.e., the right wing religious nutjobs).
Meanwhile, cnn.com is still saying "motive unclear," as if it's all a big fucking mystery.
Our MSM are an absolute disgrace.
wiggs
(7,814 posts)the event in terms of domestic terrorism...the guest agreed...might have been a terrorism expert named Baeir. Was listening on Sirius so didn't catch name.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)As opposed to just the old guard of CNN/ABC News etc.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)See how quickly it gets reverted.
treestar
(82,383 posts)We've been obsessed since 2001. Like if it's not able to be labeled terrorism, it isn't serious.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Attacking any location to further a political intent, an intent you can't obtain through the democratic process, is terrorism, I think.
A guy attacking a PP clinic is trying to scare (terrorize) the people who work there, and those who would use PP services in any location into not doing so out of fear. To me. that's terrorism.
The GOP calls abortion murder, then makes up incredible lies about PP, and then a "lone wolf" straps on his bomb vest, or in this case grabs his guns, and heads out to die for the cause his "leaders" call for.
Its terrorism.
malaise
(269,063 posts)+1,000
Rex
(65,616 posts)In this case it was butane tanks.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It is still a thing, you know in the news today. Ever since 911. This case fits - but it seems no matter what happens, we have to try to argue for the label for it.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Why are you so reluctant to use the proper term for such behavior?
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Why do you resist the term so strongly, when it accurately describes the incident?
treestar
(82,383 posts)Only saying that we seem to think we have to be able to get that label onto any happening in America.
Then we get into a debate about whether it is or is not.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Whether the term satisfies you or not, the shooting at Planned Parenthood appears to qualify as terrorism according to the official definition.
I'm not aware of anyone on DU who thinks that we need "to get that label onto any happening in America." Who is doing that, exactly? Can you give citations?
treestar
(82,383 posts)as opposing it strongly when what I did was find the issue interesting and bring it up more than once.
Why so worried that anyone might think it just a crime? That would not mean it was evil enough? I'm just interested in how 911 made us all so invested in having anything that happens get that label.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Further, you're proposing a false dichotomy, of course; a shooting can be both a crime and a terrorist act.
To sum up, the tone of your posts suggested strong (and curiously condescending) opposition to the use of an entirely appropriate term, especially when bolstered with fallacious arguments against the term's use. If you don't want people to perceive your intent that way, perhaps you might reconsider your framing.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)to kill law enforcement officers! Strange how some have different laws when it comes to belief system and skin color.
WTF America?
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Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)If the media doesn't call it terrorism, the terrorism won't even begin to stop.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Hey!
We win!
Woo-hoo!
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Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)K & R
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)Killing for the bible is just fine to them.
Duval
(4,280 posts)K&R
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Because then the religiously fanatical would have to face the error of their ways...and the consequences of their rhetoric. THEY would have to change, or accept criminal liability. Or at the very least, moral liability.
Perhaps this latest fatal attack will do for Planned Parenthood what the escalating police murderers and brutality did for all of us...point out in un-fudge-able facts what has been going on all along, and demand an accounting and a meaningful cessation of these crimes against the People.
It is a time of revelations, indeed! Decades of cover, blown to bits.