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Cops didn't realize there was ANOTHER surveillance camera inside Burger King -- and it was watching them as they deleted files.
Alvarez responded, Thats all Im going to say on this.
On Monday, NBC5 obtained screenshots taken from a surveillance video inside Burger King on the night of McDonalds death. The photos appear to show officers using the computer console that recorded the fatal shooting. Although the police department and states attorney claim the officers did not delete those 86 missing minutes, remember that this information is coming from the same cops who initially lied about the shooting and the same officials who suppressed the police dashcam video for 13 months."
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/cops-didnt-know-this-camera-caught-them-deleting-video-of-the-murder-of-laquan-mcdonald/
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Just didn't realize it was a good creepyness at the time.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...it's goodnight Democracy.
Oh. Hold on, Bertram Gross.
...on the recommendation of a college chum back in the early 1980s.
Friendly Fascism - The New Face of Power in America
by Bertram Gross
EXCERPT...
Friendly fascism portrays two conflicting trends in the United States and other countries of the so-called "free world."
The first is a slow and powerful drift toward greater concentration of power and wealth in a repressive Big Business-Big Government partnership. This drift leads down the road toward a new and subtly manipulative form of corporatist serfdom. The phrase "friendly fascism" helps distinguish this possible future from the patently vicious corporatism of classic fascism in the past of Germany, Italy and Japan. It also contrasts with the friendly present of the dependent fascisms propped up by the U.S. government in El Salvador, Haiti, Argentina, Chile, South Korea, the Philippines and elsewhere.
The other is a slower and less powerful tendency for individuals and groups to seek greater participation in decisions affecting themselves and others. This trend goes beyond mere reaction to authoritarianism. It transcends the activities of progressive groups or movements and their use of formal democratic machinery. It is nourished by establishment promises-too often rendered false-of more human rights, civil rights and civil liberties. It is embodied in larger values of community, sharing, cooperation, service to others and basic morality as contrasted with crass materialism and dog-eat-dog competition. It affects power relations in the household, workplace, community, school, church, synagogue, and even the labyrinths of private and public bureaucracies. It could lead toward a truer democracy-and for this reason is bitterly fought...
These contradictory trends are woven fine into the fabric of highly industrialized capitalism. The unfolding logic of friendly fascist corporatism is rooted in "capitalist society's transnational growth and the groping responses to mounting crises in a dwindling capitalist world". Mind management and sophisticated repression become more attractive to would-be oligarchs when too many people try to convert democratic promises into reality. On the other hand, the alternative logic of true democracy is rooted in "humankind's long history of resistance to unjustified privilege" and in spontaneous or organized "reaction (other than fright or apathy) to concentrated power...and inequality, injustice or coercion".
A few years ago too many people closed their eyes to the indicators of the first tendency.
But events soon began to change perceptions.
CONTINUED...
Thanks to the velvet fist of friendly fascism and its twin concentration of power and wealth, things for us today aren't that far off from a totalitarian police state where We the People ALL love Big Brother.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)...Cut-and-paste does that to me. As you know, Blondie, the money is just part of the trumps peace formula.
Bertram Gross saw what was happening in the 1970s -- before Ronald McPruneface took office.
Now, all bets are off...and I must repeat what's obvious to you for the sake of those new to the discussion.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I always appreciate what you have to say.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Wish I could rec this post
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)TacoD
(581 posts)That's a compliment, BTW
Hekate
(90,837 posts)Hmmmm.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Greatest post yet today.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)or the lying, criminal cops.
The Feds need to come in, take control of the CPD and start cleaning house, fire the whole top echelon and investigate each and every CPD officer and fire/prosecute those found to have committed criminal acts, then rewrite the training manual and require each and every officer to retake the rewritten academy.
The CPD is one of the most racist, corrupt police forces in the country.
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Who promoted all of this Police militarism in the first place. Who gave the local police the training, equipment and grants to pay for it. Who owns this flaming bag of Dog Shit?
Hekate
(90,837 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)As comforting as it would be otherwise, this isn't a "republican bad democrat good 4-eva" situation. It's a systemic problem that involves both parties and beyond.
Hekate
(90,837 posts)The BushCheney administration had wrought such profound destruction to our country that a new president, ANY president, even with all our help (and he had almost zero of that, at least on DU) would not be able to repair the damage in 8 years. In fact, I doubted then and doubt now whether we will be able to repair the damage in what is left of my lifetime.
There is no godsdamn magic. But I can guarantee that if we elect another Republican in the current climate and that Repub has coattails, we might as well pack in the old republic and its experiment in democracy.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)My point is that the Obama administration hasn't been doing anything, until extremely recently (we're talking about weeks here) to address police militarization. Under his administration, police departments have been buying military gear just fine, and the siege mentality and "warrior culture" of LEO's has gone unchallenged. I'm sorry, but Dubya cannot be blamed for Obama's seven years of nothing on this issue.
Dubya can't even be blamed for the issue itself - he sure as fuck didn't help anything, by adding even more surplus gear to the market, and creating fast lanes for the Military -> private contractor -> police pipeline. But the problem of police militarization hearkens at least back to Nixon's war on drugs and COINTELPRO, and a strong argument could take it back to the days of Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson as police became increasingly militant against protesters, even of the administrations themselves can't be tagged with it the way Nixon's can.
It's not a "Republicans vs. Democrats" thing - both parties have been fully on the side of LEO's when push comes to shove. Both party's administrations have been looking the other way, while sliding spare equipment. And up until again very recently, neither party seemed to have much stomach for federal investigation into law enforcement - props to Obama for taking that step.
Police militarization is a long-standing, systemic problem in our country, and has never been relaint on political parties.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)exboyfil
(17,865 posts)will probably argue that the police destroyed evidence that would have benefited him at trial.
2naSalit
(86,804 posts)shown to be deleting the files...
Now that would be interesting.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...with conspiracy to deny his own civil rights.
JHB
(37,162 posts)...they only thought to delete files for external cameras. Internal ones wouldn't show the scene outside, so they were left alone.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)JHB
(37,162 posts)It wasn't necessarily indoor vs outdoor, it was timeframe: files from the time of the incident were deleted, not files from afterward, such as when they were in the security room.
Uben
(7,719 posts)Being a law enforcement officer should require one having integrity and honesty. We give them powers over citizens that make the playing field unequal in order to ensure justice. When they violate the trust, it should be game over....forever. We all make mistakes, but flagrant lying isn't a mistake, iit is a crime when that lie results in a miscarriage of justice. If you are a cop who will lie to protect a fellow officer from prosecution of a crime, that is a breach of trust, and should terminate that individuals right to ever be an LEO again. All pensions and benefits should be forfeited, once convicted.
You can't be an LEO and a criminal too. It defeats the purpose.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)If you or I lie to law enforcement or destroy evidence in an investigation, that is what would happen to us. Cops doing this is much worse because of the position of trust they hold.
Iggo
(47,571 posts)I want the same thing to happen to them as would happen to me if I did what they did.
Iggo
(47,571 posts)At least.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Seriously.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)Some times there's a price to be paid for being tech challenged.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,729 posts)know that the CHICAGO POLICE had done that. They are not known for playing fair. I wonder if the Chicago health dept has already closed the BK for health reasons, or have the police stopped patrolling the area.
valerief
(53,235 posts)mainer
(12,029 posts)They all witnessed it.
Scalded Nun
(1,241 posts)tasked with investigating people with no honor,
there will never be an honorable outcome.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...Still not sure if Rahmbo will be able to survive this..
mainer
(12,029 posts)NBC Chicago Channel 5. She broke the news on the air.
In the videotape, when someone asks Alvarez "who was the investigator?" it sounds like Marin's voice.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/on-air/about-us/Carol_Marin.html
I have a feeling her access to law enforcement is about to be shut down.
Sienna86
(2,150 posts)She's a well regarded reporter.
wolfie001
(2,270 posts)All involved should have their retirement and benefits eliminated!!! This whole episode (and so many like it) is sickening!!!
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I remember when cops first got their Dash Cams, and would video the drunk driver test, or their SWAT entry into homes.
They were proud to bring the tapes into court unless the tapes exonerated the defense,
then they were
"lost".
Well, the shoe is on the other foot today.
As soon as every cop realizes they are being taped and photographed ALL THE TIME,
things will get better.
They must also stop wearing masks at protests, and stop covering their badge numbers.
I'm pretty sure the last two are already illegal.
Cops should be identifiable at ALL times by the citizens.
NJCher
(35,748 posts)Let's take that monster huge NSA Data Center in Utah and use it to house an open-access database of what every police officer does every day. They should be taped and photographed ALL THE TIME.
Any citizen should be able to tap into whatever the police officer did at any particular time (some measures may have to be taken to protect citizen privacy, but I suspect that can be resolved) via a home PC.
There will be a large number of people who will take this on as an avocation. Look at the number of people who use Google Earth to find oddball stuff. Look at the people who have made careers on youtube videos, websites, and Facebook who point out Mars anomalies taped by the Rover. Oh, yes, indeed, this could give birth to a whole new industry: citizens policing the police.
Cher
p.s. note photo taken from hilarious parody site.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)riversedge
(70,311 posts)CanonRay
(14,119 posts)just for starters.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The conspiracy will be televised.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)We really need to turn a blinding spotlight on this issue.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)You are either believing the wrong folk, and not speaking from what you know; ,or, you are part of the cover-up ... Either way, in a justice world you will soon be unemployed.