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mainer

(12,029 posts)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:16 AM Dec 2015

Cops didn't know camera caught them deleting files

Cops didn't realize there was ANOTHER surveillance camera inside Burger King -- and it was watching them as they deleted files.

"At a press conference last week, Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez asserted that no one had tampered with the Burger King surveillance video. When asked who conducted the forensic testing, Alvarez did not appear to know the answer.

Alvarez responded, “That’s all I’m going to say on this.”

On Monday, NBC5 obtained screenshots taken from a surveillance video inside Burger King on the night of McDonald’s death. The photos appear to show officers using the computer console that recorded the fatal shooting. Although the police department and state’s attorney claim the officers did not delete those 86 missing minutes, remember that this information is coming from the same cops who initially lied about the shooting and the same officials who suppressed the police dashcam video for 13 months."



http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/cops-didnt-know-this-camera-caught-them-deleting-video-of-the-murder-of-laquan-mcdonald/
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Cops didn't know camera caught them deleting files (Original Post) mainer Dec 2015 OP
........ daleanime Dec 2015 #1
Who is watching the Watchers? Octafish Dec 2015 #2
I knew there was a reason for the Kings creepyness notadmblnd Dec 2015 #8
If Big Brother should ever get a makeover... Octafish Dec 2015 #9
Point made. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #13
Sorry to sound so pedantic... Octafish Dec 2015 #15
Not a problem Fishy notadmblnd Dec 2015 #16
Thanks for that link. eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #23
+1,000 malaise Dec 2015 #25
Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #51
Never would have expected a laugh-out-loud funny post from you TacoD Dec 2015 #35
I never noticed before that he bears a family resemblance to that other guy with the Guy Fawkes mask Hekate Dec 2015 #40
Burger King killed McDonalds? Marrah_G Dec 2015 #3
You just won the Intertubz. GGJohn Dec 2015 #5
Yeah, like I'm going to believe a word from the lying mouth of Anital Alvarez GGJohn Dec 2015 #4
The 'Feds' are likely complicit. PeoViejo Dec 2015 #21
BushCheney. Never forget that part. Hekate Dec 2015 #41
So it stopped and went in reverse on January 21, 2009? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #47
As I said any number of times between Obama's election and his swearing-in... Hekate Dec 2015 #48
While true, that doesn't address my point, nor does it really tackle this issue Scootaloo Dec 2015 #49
Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #53
Obama's DoJ? frylock Dec 2015 #22
I have more faith in Obama's DoJ than you do. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #26
Faith belongs in church, not politics and justice. n/t Cal Carpenter Dec 2015 #43
I would love to see Obama's DoJ do something to justify your faith. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #54
Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #52
The irony is that the cop that shot him exboyfil Dec 2015 #6
Except it may be HIM who is 2naSalit Dec 2015 #29
Perhaps he should be charged... Orsino Dec 2015 #37
Goes to intent... JHB Dec 2015 #7
Nice. Let's hope that this coverup results in jail for many involved. peacebird Dec 2015 #11
I have to amend my comment... JHB Dec 2015 #38
When cops lie, they should lose the right to be LEOs Uben Dec 2015 #10
Yes, instead of being able to get hired the next county over..... peacebird Dec 2015 #12
If these guys tampered with the video, they need to go to prison for several years. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #14
That's really what I'm after. Iggo Dec 2015 #20
Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #56
When cops break any law, they should at least be banned from law enforcement for life. Iggo Dec 2015 #19
Huge +1! That would result in a major new employment opportunity for thousands. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #55
"Yeah but ... but ... we was protectin' and servin' " lpbk2713 Dec 2015 #17
Time for some intense, internal polygraphing. nt Snotcicles Dec 2015 #18
This reminds me of another incident in US history... KansDem Dec 2015 #24
That Burger King manager is brave. I do not know if I would have let anyone LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #27
Exactly. nt valerief Dec 2015 #30
He is very brave indeed. And he was backed up by his employees. mainer Dec 2015 #31
When you have people with no honor Scalded Nun Dec 2015 #28
Time for Alvarez to go too...in fact I predict she will be next... truebrit71 Dec 2015 #32
You know who else is brave? Carol Marin, the reporter mainer Dec 2015 #33
I think Carol Marin just became a professor at DePaul Sienna86 Dec 2015 #46
Replace cops in the OP title with thugs!!! wolfie001 Dec 2015 #34
Schadenfreude....served cold! bvar22 Dec 2015 #36
and I would like to add.... NJCher Dec 2015 #50
Lets do it! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #57
Businesses will have to keep police away from video until warrant served Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #39
Lots have call for her to resign-->Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez riversedge Dec 2015 #42
Accessory after the Fact, Conspiracy, Destruction of Evidece CanonRay Dec 2015 #44
This is about the only positive thing to come out of this incredibly sad story. Octafish Dec 2015 #45
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #58
Ms. State's Attorney ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #59
There was a coverup of this killing that was foiled by the journalist filing a FOIA lawsuit Gothmog Dec 2015 #60

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
8. I knew there was a reason for the Kings creepyness
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:33 AM
Dec 2015

Just didn't realize it was a good creepyness at the time.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. If Big Brother should ever get a makeover...
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:45 AM
Dec 2015

...it's goodnight Democracy.



Oh. Hold on, Bertram Gross.

...on the recommendation of a college chum back in the early 1980s.



Friendly Fascism - The New Face of Power in America

by Bertram Gross

EXCERPT...

Friendly fascism portrays two conflicting trends in the United States and other countries of the so-called "free world."

The first is a slow and powerful drift toward greater concentration of power and wealth in a repressive Big Business-Big Government partnership. This drift leads down the road toward a new and subtly manipulative form of corporatist serfdom. The phrase "friendly fascism" helps distinguish this possible future from the patently vicious corporatism of classic fascism in the past of Germany, Italy and Japan. It also contrasts with the friendly present of the dependent fascisms propped up by the U.S. government in El Salvador, Haiti, Argentina, Chile, South Korea, the Philippines and elsewhere.

The other is a slower and less powerful tendency for individuals and groups to seek greater participation in decisions affecting themselves and others. This trend goes beyond mere reaction to authoritarianism. It transcends the activities of progressive groups or movements and their use of formal democratic machinery. It is nourished by establishment promises-too often rendered false-of more human rights, civil rights and civil liberties. It is embodied in larger values of community, sharing, cooperation, service to others and basic morality as contrasted with crass materialism and dog-eat-dog competition. It affects power relations in the household, workplace, community, school, church, synagogue, and even the labyrinths of private and public bureaucracies. It could lead toward a truer democracy-and for this reason is bitterly fought...

These contradictory trends are woven fine into the fabric of highly industrialized capitalism. The unfolding logic of friendly fascist corporatism is rooted in "capitalist society's transnational growth and the groping responses to mounting crises in a dwindling capitalist world". Mind management and sophisticated repression become more attractive to would-be oligarchs when too many people try to convert democratic promises into reality. On the other hand, the alternative logic of true democracy is rooted in "humankind's long history of resistance to unjustified privilege" and in spontaneous or organized "reaction (other than fright or apathy) to concentrated power...and inequality, injustice or coercion".

A few years ago too many people closed their eyes to the indicators of the first tendency.

But events soon began to change perceptions.

CONTINUED...



Thanks to the velvet fist of friendly fascism and its twin concentration of power and wealth, things for us today aren't that far off from a totalitarian police state where We the People ALL love Big Brother.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. Sorry to sound so pedantic...
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:01 AM
Dec 2015

...Cut-and-paste does that to me. As you know, Blondie, the money is just part of the trumps peace formula.

Bertram Gross saw what was happening in the 1970s -- before Ronald McPruneface took office.

Now, all bets are off...and I must repeat what's obvious to you for the sake of those new to the discussion.

Hekate

(90,837 posts)
40. I never noticed before that he bears a family resemblance to that other guy with the Guy Fawkes mask
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 05:38 PM
Dec 2015

Hmmmm.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
4. Yeah, like I'm going to believe a word from the lying mouth of Anital Alvarez
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:22 AM
Dec 2015

or the lying, criminal cops.
The Feds need to come in, take control of the CPD and start cleaning house, fire the whole top echelon and investigate each and every CPD officer and fire/prosecute those found to have committed criminal acts, then rewrite the training manual and require each and every officer to retake the rewritten academy.

The CPD is one of the most racist, corrupt police forces in the country.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
21. The 'Feds' are likely complicit.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 12:00 PM
Dec 2015

Who promoted all of this Police militarism in the first place. Who gave the local police the training, equipment and grants to pay for it. Who owns this flaming bag of Dog Shit?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
47. So it stopped and went in reverse on January 21, 2009?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:45 PM
Dec 2015

As comforting as it would be otherwise, this isn't a "republican bad democrat good 4-eva" situation. It's a systemic problem that involves both parties and beyond.

Hekate

(90,837 posts)
48. As I said any number of times between Obama's election and his swearing-in...
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:30 PM
Dec 2015

The BushCheney administration had wrought such profound destruction to our country that a new president, ANY president, even with all our help (and he had almost zero of that, at least on DU) would not be able to repair the damage in 8 years. In fact, I doubted then and doubt now whether we will be able to repair the damage in what is left of my lifetime.

There is no godsdamn magic. But I can guarantee that if we elect another Republican in the current climate and that Repub has coattails, we might as well pack in the old republic and its experiment in democracy.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
49. While true, that doesn't address my point, nor does it really tackle this issue
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:56 PM
Dec 2015

My point is that the Obama administration hasn't been doing anything, until extremely recently (we're talking about weeks here) to address police militarization. Under his administration, police departments have been buying military gear just fine, and the siege mentality and "warrior culture" of LEO's has gone unchallenged. I'm sorry, but Dubya cannot be blamed for Obama's seven years of nothing on this issue.

Dubya can't even be blamed for the issue itself - he sure as fuck didn't help anything, by adding even more surplus gear to the market, and creating fast lanes for the Military -> private contractor -> police pipeline. But the problem of police militarization hearkens at least back to Nixon's war on drugs and COINTELPRO, and a strong argument could take it back to the days of Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson as police became increasingly militant against protesters, even of the administrations themselves can't be tagged with it the way Nixon's can.

It's not a "Republicans vs. Democrats" thing - both parties have been fully on the side of LEO's when push comes to shove. Both party's administrations have been looking the other way, while sliding spare equipment. And up until again very recently, neither party seemed to have much stomach for federal investigation into law enforcement - props to Obama for taking that step.

Police militarization is a long-standing, systemic problem in our country, and has never been relaint on political parties.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
6. The irony is that the cop that shot him
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:24 AM
Dec 2015

will probably argue that the police destroyed evidence that would have benefited him at trial.

JHB

(37,162 posts)
7. Goes to intent...
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:32 AM
Dec 2015

...they only thought to delete files for external cameras. Internal ones wouldn't show the scene outside, so they were left alone.

JHB

(37,162 posts)
38. I have to amend my comment...
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 05:35 PM
Dec 2015

It wasn't necessarily indoor vs outdoor, it was timeframe: files from the time of the incident were deleted, not files from afterward, such as when they were in the security room.

Uben

(7,719 posts)
10. When cops lie, they should lose the right to be LEOs
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:48 AM
Dec 2015

Being a law enforcement officer should require one having integrity and honesty. We give them powers over citizens that make the playing field unequal in order to ensure justice. When they violate the trust, it should be game over....forever. We all make mistakes, but flagrant lying isn't a mistake, iit is a crime when that lie results in a miscarriage of justice. If you are a cop who will lie to protect a fellow officer from prosecution of a crime, that is a breach of trust, and should terminate that individuals right to ever be an LEO again. All pensions and benefits should be forfeited, once convicted.

You can't be an LEO and a criminal too. It defeats the purpose.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
14. If these guys tampered with the video, they need to go to prison for several years.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:59 AM
Dec 2015

If you or I lie to law enforcement or destroy evidence in an investigation, that is what would happen to us. Cops doing this is much worse because of the position of trust they hold.

Iggo

(47,571 posts)
20. That's really what I'm after.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:52 AM
Dec 2015

I want the same thing to happen to them as would happen to me if I did what they did.

Iggo

(47,571 posts)
19. When cops break any law, they should at least be banned from law enforcement for life.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:51 AM
Dec 2015

At least.

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
17. "Yeah but ... but ... we was protectin' and servin' "
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:18 AM
Dec 2015



Some times there's a price to be paid for being tech challenged.


LiberalArkie

(15,729 posts)
27. That Burger King manager is brave. I do not know if I would have let anyone
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 12:31 PM
Dec 2015

know that the CHICAGO POLICE had done that. They are not known for playing fair. I wonder if the Chicago health dept has already closed the BK for health reasons, or have the police stopped patrolling the area.

Scalded Nun

(1,241 posts)
28. When you have people with no honor
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 12:32 PM
Dec 2015

tasked with investigating people with no honor,
there will never be an honorable outcome.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
32. Time for Alvarez to go too...in fact I predict she will be next...
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 12:58 PM
Dec 2015

...Still not sure if Rahmbo will be able to survive this..

mainer

(12,029 posts)
33. You know who else is brave? Carol Marin, the reporter
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 12:59 PM
Dec 2015

NBC Chicago Channel 5. She broke the news on the air.

In the videotape, when someone asks Alvarez "who was the investigator?" it sounds like Marin's voice.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/on-air/about-us/Carol_Marin.html

I have a feeling her access to law enforcement is about to be shut down.

wolfie001

(2,270 posts)
34. Replace cops in the OP title with thugs!!!
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 01:00 PM
Dec 2015

All involved should have their retirement and benefits eliminated!!! This whole episode (and so many like it) is sickening!!!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
36. Schadenfreude....served cold!
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 03:08 PM
Dec 2015

I remember when cops first got their Dash Cams, and would video the drunk driver test, or their SWAT entry into homes.
They were proud to bring the tapes into court unless the tapes exonerated the defense,
then they were
"lost".

Well, the shoe is on the other foot today.
As soon as every cop realizes they are being taped and photographed ALL THE TIME,
things will get better.

They must also stop wearing masks at protests, and stop covering their badge numbers.
I'm pretty sure the last two are already illegal.
Cops should be identifiable at ALL times by the citizens.

NJCher

(35,748 posts)
50. and I would like to add....
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:28 AM
Dec 2015

Let's take that monster huge NSA Data Center in Utah and use it to house an open-access database of what every police officer does every day. They should be taped and photographed ALL THE TIME.



Any citizen should be able to tap into whatever the police officer did at any particular time (some measures may have to be taken to protect citizen privacy, but I suspect that can be resolved) via a home PC.

There will be a large number of people who will take this on as an avocation. Look at the number of people who use Google Earth to find oddball stuff. Look at the people who have made careers on youtube videos, websites, and Facebook who point out Mars anomalies taped by the Rover. Oh, yes, indeed, this could give birth to a whole new industry: citizens policing the police.


Cher

p.s. note photo taken from hilarious parody site.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
45. This is about the only positive thing to come out of this incredibly sad story.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:48 PM
Dec 2015

The conspiracy will be televised.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
58. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:16 AM
Dec 2015

We really need to turn a blinding spotlight on this issue.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
59. Ms. State's Attorney ...
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:13 AM
Dec 2015

You are either believing the wrong folk, and not speaking from what you know; ,or, you are part of the cover-up ... Either way, in a justice world you will soon be unemployed.

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