...breathe a sigh of relief so their preferred constituents don't come under fire. It's disgusting, but it is what it is.

That you're ashamed of your skin color, though, is another thing of passing note. Those aren't normal thoughts, and they don't show up without being put there. Perhaps you might consider being more critical of the media you consume because it's poisoning you.

FOX was pushing the Muslim terrorism narrative and MSNBC was pushing the workplace violence narrative, when neither had any evidence to support it.

Meanwhile, over on CNN, poor Don Lemon was just lost as usual, bless his heart.

Muslim also doesn't mean Islam was the motive. Sure it's more likely it is the motive if that person is Muslim. I's kinda like saying Christianity is the motive for Christians to kill people when all you know is a murderer is Christian.

Seaport. Malays and Indonesians aren't brown. Neither are the people in Brunei.

The Uyghurs and Hui Chinese are Muslims too, they aren't brown. Neither are the Muslims in Southern Thailand and Southern PI.

The first Muslim I met was white.

It seems that Muslims are not permitted the mental health excuse. What these people did was flat out crazy--dropping of their six month old child with grandma and getting dressed up in their combat gear and doing a commando style raid on a group of innocent people. It that's not crazy, I don't know what is.

planned this was, tactical clothing, long guns, pipe bombs - I don't think crazy (I'm not even sure what crazy covers). Religious extremism is not mental illness - they know exactly what they're doing and they know it's wrong but feel entitled to do it in the name of their religion. It's people trying to instill fear in others through violence. That's not mental illness.

More concern for political considerations than dead victims.

Savannah.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7406307

Nothing on TV.

Remember the Navy Yard shooting? The same day there were 15 kids shot in a park in Chicago. Not a damn bleep.

claiming it was Christian terrorists before anything was known? You mean like that?

The only people breathing a sigh of relief are those that like to prop up right winger gun arguments and the typical pro NRA crowd. Most people know what the vast majority of innocent Muslim's are in store for in the coming days and weeks. At least some groups earlier were taking the proactive reaction to call for those in this country who like to associate one persons actions with an entire group to please show restraint. Lets hope that some other people can use that same understanding when this story gets it's full legs in the coming days.

Do you "fucking feel ashamed of their skin color, and the unthinking privilege Pakistanis Muslims are raised in"?

The issue is not race, it's religious ideology.

(PS: the Christian ideology had a role in the Planned Parenthood murders)

... by some parts of that society too. That was why there was the split of that region into countries like Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh with different religious majorities in control of each region.

And it is also the warping of religious ideology in all of these different cases (whether it is Muslim extremism in 9/11, ISDS and other Muslim terrorist acts, or Planned Parenthood murders, KKK terrorism, etc. for Christian extremism too). It is more of a call to action of those of us in society that look for secular solutions, or at least calling on the history of the good teachings of each of these religions to unite behind solutions that work for all of us and don't allow extremists of any of these religions to try to make the case that they represent these religions with their extreme actions, and that they should be regarded as the bloodthirsty criminal deviants that they are!

Yes, by all means, I agree with you to "unite behind solutions that work for all of us and don't allow extremists of any of these religions to try to make the case that they represent these religions with their extreme actions".

But we should aso work to stem the flow of extremists. And extremists are born of extreme preachings. Evangelicals cursing violently the Planned Parenthood or Imams cursing western democracy must be taken to account.

(I know, I know, my vision of free speech includes hate speech limitations that would require a constitutional amendment)

Where did you get that idea from?

we're just relieved they're BROWN? What does skin color have to do with this? Absolutely fucking nothing.

The good thing about this thread; a lot of good replies.

A lot of people, even on DU, had no problem blaming it on RW radio, or fundamental Christians when they thought the guy was white. Then it turned out he was islamic, and now there is outrage.

The most obscene thing about it, is that it occurs so often in this nation and still not a fucking thing EVER gets done about it.

Regardless of who is using the fucking GUNS to do it.


Fuck the NRA.

Your head is in a bad place.

bombs, mental illness, good guys with guns . . . he had all the arguments

Now THAT is obscene

The key to all of this is $$$$$. They always say it's the 2nd amendment that is sacred, but that's not true. If it was we could have machine guns in the gun cabinet. Follow the money. That's what is sacred to them.

I don't consider this current guy any more or less me than the previous shooter (Dear) or the one before that. NONE of them do I identify with in any way. Black, brown, white, pink; you shoot up the place you are a murderer.

That my distant Arab cousins.

And yet I am "white"

Seriously, look at the pictures. They are white. Dumbest post in the universe.

That's what it is. It's actually just White Man's Burden turned inside out.

.oO( The poor little brown people can't be held responsible for any crimes (((( shhhhhhh, whisper it.... because they don't know any better through being brown and stupid and having no understanding of ordinary moral existence.)))) )

That's the thinking. Racism, basically.

is channeling its inner Trump. Freudians would call it the Trump that lies latent within us, now given free license.

Frigging disgusting.

You should alert on any such posts that you see.

...that your priorities are skewed on this. 14 dead people should be at the top of the list, IMO.

If it had been, you could've been more ashamed of your skin color, unthinking privilege you were raised in, and the mindless self-congratulatory weaseling that is being done in your alleged interests. Think of the fun you might've enjoyed.

People sometimes want these shootings to be because of the things they dislike. See, it was a white guy! See, it was a Muslim! If you're on the right side of that, you get to throw it in your opponents face and call them idiots. Maybe it gives meaning to an otherwise random act in an uncaring universe. You get to be on the right side, and say see, see what happens because of the things you believe in. You like guns? Look what happens because of that! You like immigration and multi-culturalism? Look what happens because of that!

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